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Posted March 04, 2014 04:31 · last edited March 04, 2014 05:01

Global Game wrote:
Smithy wrote:

I don't agree that you can call it cheating. If you have a question on the rules, and you raise that question with the rule-keeper, and get a green light, you can't be said to be cheating.


Cheating implies an element of dishonesty or trickery, which can't be said to exist if you've put your hand up and asked for a ruling.


Anger at New Zealand Facepalm Football I can understand. But the club/player/coach in question don't deserve any grief in my opinion. At least not on the facts disclosed so far in this thread.


Up to one of the clubs to appeal.


Unfair advantage gained to onehunga at their instigation. If that decision had been made public and all clubs advised they could do similar, you would have had a completely different set of players playing for MUPC clubs.

BTW, is there any inference that this is one rule for winton...? or simple NZF incompetence.. or as referenced elsewhere.. massive conflict of interest?



It's been going on with WYNRS for years. Remember the first NIKE cup winners in NZ?  It was Soccer2, way back in 2005 with Tommy Smith (yeah adopted from Fed1 I know) and all.  Well believe it or not the Soccer2 team the following year was even stronger, featuring some players that were to kick on quite well (Nick Branch, Colin Murphy, Pomare Te Anau, Stefan Marinovich).  Paul Temple was the coach and the side looked like they would sweep aside all NZ opposition.  But then NZF ruled Federation teams were no longer eligible.  And fair enough I think - it should be a comp for club sides.  But it was a rule change at the last minute and it left a bad taste.  Anyway it so happened that many of the Soccer2 boys were with Three Kings - but were they allowed to enter?  No.  NZF ruled entry was only for U-15 teams.  But the Three Kings side was all U-15 players!!  Hold on - they were playing in the U-17 Metro comp so were ruled ineligible.  The Three Kings lads were heartbroken - it was the chance of a lifetime for them, but Wynton was smirking.  Their coach at the time is a friend - and he even spent money on a lawyer to get expert opinion.  I had a kid in the team so you can see where I'm coming from. You see it's the same old BS repeated.

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Toffeeman66 edited March 04, 2014 05:01
Global Game wrote:
Smithy wrote:

I don't agree that you can call it cheating. If you have a question on the rules, and you raise that question with the rule-keeper, and get a green light, you can't be said to be cheating.


Cheating implies an element of dishonesty or trickery, which can't be said to exist if you've put your hand up and asked for a ruling.


Anger at New Zealand Facepalm Football I can understand. But the club/player/coach in question don't deserve any grief in my opinion. At least not on the facts disclosed so far in this thread.


Up to one of the clubs to appeal.


Unfair advantage gained to onehunga at their instigation. If that decision had been made public and all clubs advised they could do similar, you would have had a completely different set of players playing for MUPC clubs.

BTW, is there any inference that this is one rule for winton...? or simple NZF incompetence.. or as referenced elsewhere.. massive conflict of interest?



It's been going on with WYNRS for years. Remember the first NIKE cup winners in NZ?  It was Soccer2, way back in 2005 with Tommy Smith (yeah adopted from Fed1 I know) and all.  Well believe it or not the Soccer2 team the following year was even stronger, featuring some players that were to kick on quite well (Nick Branch, Colin Murphy, Pomare Te Anau, Stefan Marinovich).  Paul Temple was the coach and the side looked like they would sweep aside all NZ opposition.  But then NZF ruled Federation teams were no longer eligible.  And fair enough I think - it should be a comp for club sides.  But it so happened that many of the Soccer2 boys were with Three Kings - but were they allowed to enter?  No.  NZF ruled entry was only for U-15 teams.  But the Three Kings side was all U-15 players!!  Hold on - they were playing in the U-17 Metro comp so were ruled ineligible.  The Three Kings lads were heartbroken - it was the chance of a lifetime for them, but Wynton was smirking.  You see it's the same old BS repeated.

Toffeeman66 edited March 04, 2014 04:32
Global Game wrote:
Smithy wrote:

I don't agree that you can call it cheating. If you have a question on the rules, and you raise that question with the rule-keeper, and get a green light, you can't be said to be cheating.


Cheating implies an element of dishonesty or trickery, which can't be said to exist if you've put your hand up and asked for a ruling.


Anger at New Zealand Facepalm Football I can understand. But the club/player/coach in question don't deserve any grief in my opinion. At least not on the facts disclosed so far in this thread.


Up to one of the clubs to appeal.


Unfair advantage gained to onehunga at their instigation. If that decision had been made public and all clubs advised they could do similar, you would have had a completely different set of players playing for MUPC clubs.

BTW, is there any inference that this is one rule for winton...? or simple NZF incompetence.. or as referenced elsewhere.. massive conflict of interest?



It's been going on with WYNRS for years. Remember the first NIKE cup winners in NZ?  It was Soccer2, way back in 2005 with Tommy Smith (yeah adopted from Fed1 I know) and all.  Well believe it or not the Soccer2 team the following year was even stronger, featuring some players that were to kick on quite well (Nick Branch, Colin Murphy, Pomare Te Anau, Stefan Marinovich).  Paul Temple was the coach and the side looked like they would sweep aside all NZ opposition.  But then NZF ruled Federation teams were no longer eligible.  And fair enough I think - it should be a comp for club sides.  But it so happened that many of the Soccer2 boys were with Three Kings - but were they allowed to enter?  No.  NZF ruled entry was only for U-15 teams.  But the Three Kings was an U-15 team!!  Hold on - they were playing in the U-17 Metro comp so were ruled ineligible.  The Three Kings lads were heartbroken - it was the chance of a lifetime for them, but Wynton was smirking.  You see it's the same old BS repeated.

Toffeeman66 edited March 04, 2014 04:31
Global Game wrote:
Smithy wrote:

I don't agree that you can call it cheating. If you have a question on the rules, and you raise that question with the rule-keeper, and get a green light, you can't be said to be cheating.


Cheating implies an element of dishonesty or trickery, which can't be said to exist if you've put your hand up and asked for a ruling.


Anger at New Zealand Facepalm Football I can understand. But the club/player/coach in question don't deserve any grief in my opinion. At least not on the facts disclosed so far in this thread.


Up to one of the clubs to appeal.


Unfair advantage gained to onehunga at their instigation. If that decision had been made public and all clubs advised they could do similar, you would have had a completely different set of players playing for MUPC clubs.

BTW, is there any inference that this is one rule for winton...? or simple NZF incompetence.. or as referenced elsewhere.. massive conflict of interest?



It's been going on with WYNRS for years. Remember the first NIKE cup winners in NZ?  It was Soccer2, right way back in 2005 with Tommy Smith (yeah adopted from Fed1 I know) and all.  Well believe it or not the Soccer2 team the following year was even stronger, featuring some players that were to kick on quite well (Nick Branch, Colin Murphy, Pomare Te Anau, Stefan Marinovich).  Paul Temple was the coach and the side looked like they would sweep aside all NZ opposition.  But then NZF ruled Federation teams were no longer eligible.  And fair enough I think - it should be a comp for club sides.  But it so happened that many of the Soccer2 boys were with Three Kings - but were they allowed to enter?  No.  NZF ruled it entry was only for U-15 teams.  But the Three Kings was an U-15 team!!  Hold on - they were playing in the U-17 Metro comp so were ruled ineligible.  The Three Kings lads were heartbroken - it was the chance of a lifetime for them, but Wynton was smirking.  You see it's the same old BS repeated.