I wonder if Travis Dodd hugged O'Leary after the Chch game, ya know, spreading the ref love and all that...
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as a fan the one thing I hate in all sports is that the refs never seem to to openly reprimanded for their errors/poor decisions. If sports took a more open approach to errors made then I think the angst would drop.
Don't think that's entirely true, there have been cases of EPL referees, for example, being booted down to the Championship for a spell after a bad game.
Can see pros and cons to referees being publicly reprimanded
Jag2011-03-24 11:42:43Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Feverish, do tell us what sort of abuse towards referees is acceptable? Is it surprising that juniors playing football also learn how to abuse others, including referees cos they see and expereince it on saturdays, in phoenix games and on TV. Of course, some not so juniors may also be reading it and see how it is done.
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Feverish, do tell us what sort of abuse towards referees is acceptable? Is it surprising that juniors playing football also learn how to abuse others, including referees cos they see and expereince it on saturdays, in phoenix games and on TV. Of course, some not so juniors may also be reading it and see how it is done.
no abuse of refs is acceptable I would have thought. Did I say otherwise?Founder
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related article
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4803967/Alex-Fergusons-ref-abuse-harms-football
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4803967/Alex-Fergusons-ref-abuse-harms-football
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I wonder if Travis Dodd hugged O'Leary after the Chch game, ya know, spreading the ref love and all that...
It was fun watching the Red Mist descend apon Peter O'Fairy in the last 10 minutes of the CHCH match
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I think this thread shows that we still, as a sport, have a long way to go.
Yes, no doubt about it referees make mistakes, but I have never encountered an official where those mistakes are deliberately trying to benefit one team or another. I have no time for that.But think about your average lower Division referee. Gets up, pouring rain, does a game, is forced to make a tight offside call without ARs and is abused for it. Makes another call or no call, using what they have seen and believe to be the right call, that is obviously wrong to most people, gets abused from the sidelines and players and leaves the game feeling like he had done well, yet feeling crap becuase of the abuse hes got.
Obviously that is not acceptable.
And just remember the referee doesn't owe you anything. Hes carrying out his/her duty to best of thier ability, and while they want to be perfect they can't be always. Of course referees dont enjoy making mistakes. If it was deliberatley a wrong call for whatever reason (which 99.9999% of referees never make deliberate mistakes), by all means rip into him, but remember that they nearly always aren't....
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And as an aside to that, inspectors are there to make sure they get it right, its thier job. If a ref makes too many mistakes, scores will drop and, if this continues over a long period of time, the ref will be relgated or not advance. This happens and rightfully so. However thats the job of the inspectors not the players.
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otagofan is clued up about the thrills and spills of being referees. Sadly it only takes a small minority of players, coaches, managers and club supporters, aided and abated at times by alcohol, to really ruin the game that we all enjoy. Some players are so inept that they only spot mistakes of referees and others that they can freely crucify anyone, at times annonymously. Signing up to any Code of Conduct is useless on these idiots, rather heafty fines plus name and shame may sort them out.
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The biggest problem, worldwide, that referees associations face is recruitment and retention. So many new referees are put off by what they cop on the field that they simply don't come back.
I always found it sad and ironic the amount of times I've heard "Nah, I couldn't handle all that abuse" when I've said to players that they should consider becoming a referee.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I always found it sad and ironic the amount of times I've heard "Nah, I couldn't handle all that abuse" when I've said to players that they should consider becoming a referee.
that is exactly how I feel about the whole thing - I have played football in some capacity for about 30 years and I often feel like it would be good to give something back to the game. The problems are that I am lazy and selfish, as well as there being very few roles I could do which benefit the game (as opposed to benefitting a specific club). Refereeing would be the perfect thing for me to do, but (as well as the laziness and selfishness) I cannot be bothered with all the sh*t and hassle you have to put with up.
There are a couple of guys who I played with back in the day who were reffing when I left NZ, and I think it is great, and have the upmost repsect for them (apart from when one of them booked me).
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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feversih, do u guys ever grow up or stay as ageing prunes?
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1st games tommorrow....should be lots of comments on here I would guss
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So last weekend I awarded a direct free kick to the opposition after a rather clumsy two footed challenge.
The next day when I was explaining my decision to Jnr Jnr he starts chanting "The referee's a banker".
The next day when I was explaining my decision to Jnr Jnr he starts chanting "The referee's a banker".
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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I feel genuine remorse for any ref who faces LH Ancient Ones this season lol what a bunch of assholes those guys are. I fealt sorry for the poor bastard reffing them on the weekend
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Is the wind of change starting to form here? Sympathic towards ref and showing love towards ref??
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I heard lots of positive comments about the Ref for GI v Varsity.
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Any refs surprised when on the receiving end of a hug from a player at the end of their game this weekend?
When I played my last ever game of football last week, it was for the vets team. What was wonderful was there was about 6 times during the game when the ref gave a throw-in or a corner to one team and they corrected him, saying it actually came off them last. It was so refreshing compared to the usual bollocking thrown at the ref because he got a throw in wrong.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Pretty certain there were no hugs for referees at Newtown Park on Saturday. I probably owe our ref one though, poor guy. I become a monster once I lace up my boots.
Fuck this stupid game
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Pretty certain there were no hugs for referees at Newtown Park on Saturday. I probably owe our ref one though, poor guy. I become a monster once I lace up my boots.
From personal experience, I can assure you that you're not the only one!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Our referee disappeared at half time on Sunday.
Curly haired youngish guy.
Not one person knew what happened to him.
Curly haired youngish guy.
Not one person knew what happened to him.
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In our oval game, discipline is tough. Does this happen in your round ball where you must have thugs as well!
"A rugby player has been slapped with a life ban after punching a referee in the face while getting a red card for head-butting an opponent. " http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4890280/Player-banned-for-life-for-punching-referee
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I seem to recall a Kiwi being banned for life for headbutting a referee. That Kiwi then went on to coach the All Whites. That sent a strong message then. Go figure.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Jag i would wholeheartedly endorse you joining the AFF referee ranks. Some of them are pretty rank to say the least.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Jag i would wholeheartedly endorse you joining the AFF referee ranks. Some of them are pretty rank to say the least.
**Whispers** I'll assume you were being serious! I am an AFF referee, Buff. Due to coaching commitments on Saturdays, I only blow the whistle on Sundays
Jag2011-04-15 13:52:49Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Ah...but did he play again Jag ?
I don't know and I don't care. "We'll ban him 'for life' for assualting an official but it's fine if he takes the most high profile coaching gig in the country." Pffft.
Jag2011-04-15 13:54:47
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I won't argue. Just noting that by the terms of the ban.
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Jag i would wholeheartedly endorse you joining the AFF referee ranks. Some of them are pretty rank to say the least.
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**Whispers** I'll assume you were being serious!�I�am an AFF referee, Buff. Due to coaching commitments on Saturdays, I only blow the whistle on Sundays
Was indeed serious. Wasn't sure whether you were still active because of those coaching commitments. I think the presence of yourself and other older refs would be good for the younger refs coming through. For while it's great to see a good number young refs, they need to know the game isn't all about them and the decisions they make. Although i think that will come with experience.
Three for me, and two for them.
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I won't argue. Just noting that by the terms of the ban.
Yup, fair enough. Point taken
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Jag i would wholeheartedly endorse you joining the AFF referee ranks. Some of them are pretty rank to say the least.
**Whispers** I'll assume you were being serious! I am an AFF referee, Buff. Due to coaching commitments on Saturdays, I only blow the whistle on Sundays
Was indeed serious. Wasn't sure whether you were still active because of those coaching commitments. I think the presence of yourself and other older refs would be good for the younger refs coming through. For while it's great to see a good number young refs, they need to know the game isn't all about them and the decisions they make. Although i think that will come with experience.
I am an Inspector/Coach as well, so hopefully I can pass on something through that
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I feel genuine remorse for any ref who faces LH Ancient Ones this season lol what a bunch of assholes those guys are. I fealt sorry for the poor bastard reffing them on the weekend
Always have been, always will!
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I couldn't see this article posted anywhere else so here it is...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4963170/Football-referees-double-take-decision-bizarre
Doesn't that seem a bit ridiculous? I actually had this same ref up at school football nationals in Napier last year where were holding HBHS to a draw until he called a hand ball on a player from our team a solid 15m away from the play with 10 mins to play. And then also had him in a later game where he called an opposition player offside from a throw in.
Anyway I am sure the overall quality of ref's throughout the country is high but what happens to the ref's like him who make "Bazaar" calls like these? are they demoted to lower level games or just stood down for a certain time frame? Feel free to move this thread if its in the wrong place.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4963170/Football-referees-double-take-decision-bizarre
Doesn't that seem a bit ridiculous? I actually had this same ref up at school football nationals in Napier last year where were holding HBHS to a draw until he called a hand ball on a player from our team a solid 15m away from the play with 10 mins to play. And then also had him in a later game where he called an opposition player offside from a throw in.
Anyway I am sure the overall quality of ref's throughout the country is high but what happens to the ref's like him who make "Bazaar" calls like these? are they demoted to lower level games or just stood down for a certain time frame? Feel free to move this thread if its in the wrong place.
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You sell widgets at bazaar. You can also buy goodies at bazaar.
Apart from these, refs always ruin games and don't you wonder why we need them at all? Better still, no rules for the game either.
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I once gave away a penalty for hand ball as a keeper when I slid out of the box with the ball. He awarded the penalty but I managed to convince him of the error of his ways. Very interesting situation indeed.
Its no longer a problem.
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I once gave away a penalty for hand ball as a keeper when I slid out of the box with the ball. He awarded the penalty but I managed to convince him of the error of his ways. Very interesting situation indeed.
I think you were probably in the right as well because you would not have commited an offence until you were outside the box therefore it should have only been a free kick (someone let me know if I'm wrong).
Teza2011-05-06 11:45:08
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I once gave away a penalty for hand ball as a keeper when I slid out of the box with the ball. He awarded the penalty but I managed to convince him of the error of his ways. Very interesting situation indeed.
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I think you were probably in the right as well because you would not have commited an offence until you were outside the box therefore it should have only been a free kick (someone let me know if I'm wrong).
Correct.
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tbh I wasn't aware that a ref could overturn a penalty decision... then I saw it last week in the Chivas USA game.
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The ref can actually do whatever the f*** he/she wants. They can overturn decisions although this is rare in my experience because refs are always right, and if they overturned a decision it would be wrong - confused?
Refs can also ignore existing rules and even invent their own new rules; in New Zealand these new rules often incorporate elements of the oval ball game, which keeps us mere footballers on our toes because rugby has so many rules that are always changing. At the lower levels refs can frequently adhere to the "one rule for one, and another rule for the other" approach - depending on which team has pissed them off most. Beware of that one! The refs I like best are the ones that are generous with the 'advantage rule', except in those situations where your centre forward has rounded the keeper and is gazing adoringly at an empty net. In those situations refs seem to have an involuntary whistle-blowing response. I also like the refs who have telescopic vision. They ignore linesmen/women flagging for offside even when they are 90 yards away from the action. Such creatures are truly lofty biological specimens-they are like the bionic man I guess except they usually weigh 150kg.
And then there are the refs that are actually just plain old footballers.
I remember reading about a ref (in Serie B or somewhere) that rose to a corner and headed it in then blew the whistle for the end of the game. He felt the team that was losing 1-0 (until his intervention) didn't deserve to be...GET IN!Toffeeman662011-05-06 13:14:30
Refs can also ignore existing rules and even invent their own new rules; in New Zealand these new rules often incorporate elements of the oval ball game, which keeps us mere footballers on our toes because rugby has so many rules that are always changing. At the lower levels refs can frequently adhere to the "one rule for one, and another rule for the other" approach - depending on which team has pissed them off most. Beware of that one! The refs I like best are the ones that are generous with the 'advantage rule', except in those situations where your centre forward has rounded the keeper and is gazing adoringly at an empty net. In those situations refs seem to have an involuntary whistle-blowing response. I also like the refs who have telescopic vision. They ignore linesmen/women flagging for offside even when they are 90 yards away from the action. Such creatures are truly lofty biological specimens-they are like the bionic man I guess except they usually weigh 150kg.
And then there are the refs that are actually just plain old footballers.
I remember reading about a ref (in Serie B or somewhere) that rose to a corner and headed it in then blew the whistle for the end of the game. He felt the team that was losing 1-0 (until his intervention) didn't deserve to be...GET IN!Toffeeman662011-05-06 13:14:30
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I remember reading about a ref (in Serie B or somewhere) that rose to a corner and headed it in then blew the whistle for the end of the game. He felt the team that was losing 1-0 (until his intervention) didn't deserve to be...GET IN!
Isn't this a scene from 'There's only one Jimmy Grimble'?
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