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Should Rsv teams be allowed to play Sun

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
But should clubs have to go through the hassle of playing their ressies on a Sunday to ensure a even playing field?
 
This is the valid counter argument.
 
The rules are allowing an unfair situation to exist.
 
 
the rules are not allowing an unfair situation to exist if it is just the fact that the other clubs can't be bothered to go through the hassle.
 
It is unfair that the other guy won the raffle.  The fact that I could not be bothered to buy a ticket is irrelevant.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not quite.  Is it unfair that the other guy won the raffle when you bought a ticket that couldn't win because, by a quirk of the rules, his ticket was more likely to win than everyone else's?

Rules need tidying up. 
 
Not Wests fault though, as someone (and I) have pointed out if the rules allow it there is nothing wrong with it.  Indeed they are taking a more professional approach to things than anyone else really.

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Frankie Mac wrote:
Maybe I am being a bit thick, but I don't see the problem with what Wests do.  If every club is allowed to play their reserves and first team on different days, then perhaps it is a situation of people thinking that it is unfair that one club is doing it when they are too selfish to give up a night on the piss to do it themselves. 
 
Why should Wests be punished for taking their football seriously?
 
You are thick it would seem. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD. The clubs talked to CF about the rules needing to be changed.  They agreed. NOTHING HAPPENED. Maybe it's laziness? Maybe they are scared of Wests?
 
So Wests have gone and been the only one to play their Resies on a Sunday again - with all the implications this brings 
Feverish2009-04-17 10:25:23

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Think the thread title is completely wrong tho Feverish.  This isn't Wests' fault...

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
can the west 1st teamers pick to play for both teams(given that the ressies are playing on the different day)? i would like to play to games a weekend,maybe i should transfer there next.
 
but serriously, does matt select the both teams?do the players have a say?do they get paid the same for playing for both teams?can any body shed any light?
 
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Smithy wrote:
Think the thread title is completely wrong tho Feverish.  This isn't Wests' fault...
 
yeah- but the title will be pissing off Calcott big style

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Olympic play their 1st team home games on a Sunday right? Do their reserves play on a Saturday?

Same situation, just in reverse.....

EDIT: not having a dig at the greeks! just food for thought.
Barber212009-04-17 11:50:07
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ok Carnie well done on stating the obvious
 
taking Wests out the equation so Matt doesnt field his first XI against the Wharf
 
-is it a good idea to have some Central Lge action on Sunday that people can watch?
(I say yes, however Wests resies are not CL)
-is it fair on teams who are not CL to be playing Sunday?
(I say no - footys a Sat game ffs - apart from point above)
-Does playing Resies on sunday have extra advantage?
(I say yes, as they get to pick the best players from the club if they played on saturday and are injury free. More of an advantage than Resie on Sat and Firsts on Sunday)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does it really even matter though? its only the Champs Premier League - its not like anyone is going for a Champions League spot.......in the scheme of things the league is fairly inconsequential is it not?

At the end of the day, someone is always going to be unhappy at how certain things are run within CF and even within peoples respective clubs - what can we do? make the best of any given situation and get on with it. Sure Wests might have "CF by the balls", but at various points throughout the years im sure quite a few  clubs have got a "leg up" thru loopholes within CF - just move on.

Sure they're probably gonna have a few half decent players out against every team thats in the league - so what? would you rather play against bunnies? If anything its more of a risk to Wests than a detriment to "you" isn't it?

If you look at it from a fully neutral point of view, these young players are going to get a chance to train AND play with/against players above their capability - in the scheme of things surely that's better for the game? Exposing young talent to more formidable opposition and team-mates?

I'm sure i'm wrong and will be corrected but thats just my opinion - and probably the most sensible post of my YF career.

Good luck for the weekend, see you Saturday Greenie :)
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jesus Carnihan, that's the most intelligent thing you've said ever!
 
Nice work!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
who wrote that for you carney?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I did learn something at school apart from hot-wiring cars and "clothes-lining".

You all know i've made a valid point - Mods, please close this topic.

MC
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'll reply to you tomorrow Carnie...

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm on the bench so you might not get a chance to "reply"


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
one of these ones?
 
Feverish2009-04-17 15:39:21

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As if you could jump that high Feverish
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Matt you're correct it's not the end of the world and this is not the champion's league but:
 
(a) everyone trains hard and plays for nearly 8 months, and sacrifices quite a lot, when you are putting in that much time, well you tend to take these issues seriously.  It DOES distort the league at the end of the season when the Wests reserves suddenly are chock full of great players which affects promotion to Central League, quite a big issue for some clubs.
 
(b) there is no valid reason for wests' reserves to play on a Sunday other than to use players who play on a Saturday.  Although other teams are ALLOWED to do that, should they really have to go to those lengths to do so?  As you say, this isn't the champions league so why are they doing it?  As Greenie says, it's Saturday football.  Additionally, this gives clubs with teams in Capital Premier and the Central League an advantage over those whose top team plays in Capital Prem.
 
My view is that clubs with teams in both should have to name before the season two squads, a first team and a second team.  If players want to transfer between the squads then they can do one in one out.  Only a certain number, say 3 for arguments sake, can play for both teams in a weekend.  If players are promoted from the second squad to the first squad because of injury/absence then the player they replace must be named and is out for the weekend.  Anyone can be added to either squad at any time during the season so there is no penalty for them.
 
I haven't thought this through completely but just an idea, may be some holes that need plugging.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and Carnie if you think this matter is inconsequential - then go have a word to your mate Brian B whose interest in the game drop considerably after last years malarkey (prob not helped by JD in the past  )
(JD clear your inbox)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Done

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've been following this topic with mild interest, in light of past Northern League experiences surrounding this issue, and always with a question in mind as to why there is a need for reserve teams to participate in the competition at all.
 
As recently as 2002 in the Northern League, we had a situation whereby we had reserve teams from Bay Olympic, Central United, Eastern Suburbs, Ellerslie, Fencibles United, Metro, Tauranga City United, Three Kings United, University-Mt. Wellington and Waitakere City playing in the competition - this was when a club-based National League was also in operation.
 
The whole thing got rather unwieldy, to be blunt, and a devil of a job for the clubs themselves to keep a handle on. It was a contributing factor to the decision to reduce the size of the Northern League to its current constitution of a Premier League and First Division.
 
I look at the Central Region Premier League and Capital League (Premier and First Divisions) structure today, and see Island Bay United, Lower Hutt City, Miramar Rangers, Petone, Waterside Karori, Wellington Olympic, Wellington United and Western Suburbs all boasting double entries.
 
I'm currently of a school of thought which espouses that there shouldn't be any reserve teams competing in your top two divisions, i.e. the two Premier Leagues in which teams from the capital participate, and reserve teams should be playing no higher than the third tier of competition (i.e. First Division, in Wellington's case).
 
Applying that logic to the current competitions, this would see Lower Hutt, Miramar and Wests axed from the Capital Premier League, and replaced by (on current standings) Marist, Wainuiomata and North Wellington. This would mean the top sixteen clubs in the capital would have Premier League status (or eighteen, if you extended to a twelve-team Capital Premier League to accommodate Brooklyn Northern United and Stokes Valley).
 
With this in mind, can someone please explain to me, as someone from outside looking in who's keen to get a handle on the curiosities of the competition generally, why there's a need for the eight clubs mentioned earlier to have two bites of the cherry?
 
 
Thanks,
 
JR
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
beacuse we dont work on logic down here

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Strength in depth is also an issue, Capital 1 can be a mixed bag

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
two injuries after ten, then a broken leg, and due to our sub not coming from early game due to injury, we had to resort to an unorthodox formation -our keeper up front.
 
 
How is this any different to 1st team reserves getting a run for Wests 2nds. Are you saying its ok for 1st team subs to play for the 2nds on the same day but not the next day? I think its a great idea.
nightz2009-04-18 18:47:37

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well if you don't understand the difference then I'm not sure there's much point continuing in this debate

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The only difference is that it's not Wests. Did Wairarapa's 1st team reserves play for their 2nds today, or more to the point is that also ok as its not Wests?

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Im beginning to wonder about you Nightz

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That makes me happy Feverish.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does Wests Reserves winning 3 - 0 today put petrol on the discussion, did they play any of the first team, they are aloud to use three
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They played their Reserve team.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good to hear kinda makes this discussion redundant unless I am missing the point!
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Actually no it doesn't.  Noone is suggesting they are stacking thier team now.  But if, come the end of the season, West 2nd are facing relegation then we shall see what they do. 2ndBest2009-04-19 21:14:03
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think ultimately the point is... why last season was someone like Jon Harahap playing for Wests Reserve team for about the last 6-7 weeks of the season, when he could walk into any team in the central league. He had been 'dropped' down to assure the seconds would stay in Champs

Same perfect example is with Olympic last year as well, Central league campaign was over so they dumped all their players into Capital One. Someone like myself should not have to paly against Raf Bloody Gregorio (or however you spell it).

Probly not quite the point, but it's not a matter of rotating players, it is a matter of often being able to save a team when the central league is a gone oppurtunity
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Now I need to miss my first team game as the womens team I coach are playing at the same time (Sunday). bollox

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The problem last year was that effectively Wests, Lower Hutt and Oylmpic's first teams season was over 2/3's of the way through. Miramar never dropped a whole bunch of players down because they still had to win CL first. So I'm predicting  clubs will only start dropping players once there is nothing to play for with their first teams.
But by the look of things, Wests and Olympic 2nd teams wont need 1st Teamers to achieve their goals. Lower Hutt looks like being the club most likely to repeat last years tricks. Hard to say with Miramar as they weren't in that position last year.
But of course if all these club's 2nd teams perform, the whole argument is redundant.
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Pilonidal Sinus wrote:
The problem last year was that effectively Wests, Lower Hutt and Oylmpic's first teams season was over 2/3's of the way through. Miramar never dropped a whole bunch of players down because they still had to win CL first. So I'm predicting  clubs will only start dropping players once there is nothing to play for with their first teams.
But by the look of things, Wests and Olympic 2nd teams wont need 1st Teamers to achieve their goals. Lower Hutt looks like being the club most likely to repeat last years tricks. Hard to say with Miramar as they weren't in that position last year.
But of course if all these club's 2nd teams perform, the whole argument is redundant.
correct! lack of motivation for CL first teams in the run in to season end was the root problem last year. Wests, Olympic in particular had given up the hunt and so had their first teamers playing in Prem and Cap 1 fighting relegation and chasing promo respectively. introduce CL top 4 system and you'd solve the problem (ahhh,yes i know, too many purists for that to happen)
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well that isn�t all the problem I see with it. The other issue is that other teams� players reserve their Saturday�s to play football. Then this fixture pops up and players have commitments (like me coaching women�s football and other guys having to work). It is unnecessary to have this game scheduled for a Sunday in my book. Decide whether it�s a Sunday or Saturday league (and yes I can already see you cynics saying �deal with it�).

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can we really do anything about it dearest Feverish?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Due to religious reasons I have always made myself unvailable on a sunday. I religiously always get well and truely w**kered on a saturday night.  Sunday football is fine. If you're 12 years old.

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Barber21 wrote:
Can we really do anything about it dearest Feverish?
 
all teams should defaults their Wests away games from May 4 onwards

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