Like I said above, it's a fine ambition to have a first team of locally produced juniors but that doesn't happen overnight. You need to have a programme in place over time to bring a group of players through. From the sounds of things these 15 year olds should be in the first team in 2-3 years, you can't just abandon your first team!
CrazyHorse, your examples aren't particularly apt as there is no way that Stop Out were ever in the same league in player payments as those clubs. Look at many other examples in the Central League of how talented juniors are supplemented with imported players.james dean2008-05-06 01:24:38
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Like I said above, it's a fine ambition to have a first team of locally produced juniors but that doesn't happen overnight. You need to have a programme in place over time to bring a group of players through. From the sounds of things these 15 year olds should be in the first team in 2-3 years, you can't just abandon your first team!
I agree, and if you look at my earlier posts, the Stop Out committee put in a budget and strategy that they believed was adequate for both. It was not sufficient in the minds of some players, or they had other reasons, but they walked. They had a Central League team place, they had a budget supporting a philosophy, which even most of the critics on here agree, is appropriate in the long term, and few players to achieve it.
Do you
(a) Panic and withdraw from the Central League
(This would have been my personal choice, because I regard Central League as p*$$ing money down the toilet, to achieve sweet Football Association, but then I'm not on the committee making the decisions
)(b) Panic and double the budget for players, putting an advert on TradeMe to attract them
(c) Try and work through the hard times as best you can, speeding up the strategy in parts, adjusting in others and doing your level best to solve some of the other problems.
and Reefside, if you seriously want to add your views and obvious commitment to Stop Out's running, PM me. I'll point you in the right direction. The club are always looking for people prepared to work, and alternative views are always welcomed. Yesmen are not as popular these days.
Alter alterius onera portate - Let each take the burdens of another (The Stop Out motto)
Crazy-Horse2008-05-06 07:23:48
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Fair enough CH, I think ultimately we're on the same page and I hope Stop Out can make this strategy work for them. Best of luck for the season.
Normo's coming home
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Taking a team to the top is always a work in progress, and never as quickly resolved as coaches, players or supporters want.
A question for the experts
Is 9-1 against Lower Hutt (a team that after 6 games are half way up the table) better or worse than 7-0 against the currently unbeaten table toppers Miramar?
And for those of you with slightly longer memories. This time ten years ago...both at Te Whiti Park
9/5/98 Central League 3 - Stop Out 1 Miramar Reserves 3
13/6/98 Chatham Cup - Stop Out 0 Wellington College 12 (Playing college kids obviously works sometimes
)
The second is the worst result for Stop Out that I can find going back to 1930. Matt Snaddon did some amazing work compiling records.
Crazy-Horse2008-05-11 11:35:00
A question for the experts
Is 9-1 against Lower Hutt (a team that after 6 games are half way up the table) better or worse than 7-0 against the currently unbeaten table toppers Miramar?
And for those of you with slightly longer memories. This time ten years ago...both at Te Whiti Park
9/5/98 Central League 3 - Stop Out 1 Miramar Reserves 3
13/6/98 Chatham Cup - Stop Out 0 Wellington College 12 (Playing college kids obviously works sometimes
)The second is the worst result for Stop Out that I can find going back to 1930. Matt Snaddon did some amazing work compiling records.
Crazy-Horse2008-05-11 11:35:00
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No improvement than Crazy Horse.
Stop Out would still lose to Miramar Reserves 3 1 if they played today.
As a club with a proud history of top flight football surely also of concern is the Stop Out 2nds being bottom of Capital 2.
nightz2008-05-11 19:00:26A dog with a bone :)
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Taking a team to the top is always a work in progress, and never as quickly resolved as coaches, players or supporters want.
A question for the experts
Is 9-1 against Lower Hutt (a team that after 6 games are half way up the table) better or worse than 7-0 against the currently unbeaten table toppers Miramar?
And for those of you with slightly longer memories. This time ten years ago...both at Te Whiti Park
9/5/98 Central League 3 - Stop Out 1 Miramar Reserves 3
13/6/98 Chatham Cup - Stop Out 0 Wellington College 12 (Playing college kids obviously works sometimes )
The second is the worst result for Stop Out that I can find going back to 1930. Matt Snaddon did some amazing work compiling records.
A question for the experts
Is 9-1 against Lower Hutt (a team that after 6 games are half way up the table) better or worse than 7-0 against the currently unbeaten table toppers Miramar?
And for those of you with slightly longer memories. This time ten years ago...both at Te Whiti Park
9/5/98 Central League 3 - Stop Out 1 Miramar Reserves 3
13/6/98 Chatham Cup - Stop Out 0 Wellington College 12 (Playing college kids obviously works sometimes
)The second is the worst result for Stop Out that I can find going back to 1930. Matt Snaddon did some amazing work compiling records.
Crazyhorse... You would have to say worse wouldnt you? 6 games in you would have thought some improvement had been made with the players? theres 3 maybe 4 new players playing in the team now since that 9-1 thrashing who i thought were supose to be top players?
How many times a week does the first team train?
In saying that Miramar is one of the strongest teams in central league this season.. On Paper they are alot better than lower hutt so maybe its not worse?
Also that thrashing was the first game of the season in the leauge for stop out. Half the players that game had no central league experience what so ever.. Its a big step up from premier to Central leauge and a Giant leap up from 15th grade and capital 3 (Now capital 2) to Central league... I even heared theres a guy in there who played capital 8 last year? Good heavens..
Maybe some of the mcreadies clowns should get a shot? 
As for that Wellington college game i watched the game that day and i thought it was 14-0? Wellington Coll had some amazing players in the team that year compared to stop out who that day 3 of the players were hung over from the night before and the rest were just useless..
The side stop out had in the late 90s and even early 2000s were terrible.. There was no effort put into the first teams those years what so ever... so it was no where as bad as a 9-1 or 7-0 thrashing that the team has received this year..
We will hang in there for another season lets just hope they dont loose to eastbourne this weekend in the chatham cup.. I wouldnt rule it out. 
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.. Its a big step up from premier to Central leauge and a Giant leap up from 15th grade and capital 3 (Now capital 2) to Central league...
We will hang in there for another season lets just hope they dont loose to eastbourne this weekend in the chatham cup.. I wouldnt rule it out.
As it is a big step from Cap 3 (Eastbourne) to Central League I think Stop Out will lift themselves and win on Sunday.
nightz2008-05-12 18:42:56A dog with a bone :)
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Stop Out have maintained a dignity through these problems. There has been no shouting or wringing of hands. The club is clear about what it is doing and why and will take the set backs that are required. Of course losing to Team Taranaki is a blow but that the close game shows that SO are not the only weaker team in the league this year. To take SOs place, the playoff winner will have to beat them.
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Stop Out have maintained a dignity through these problems. There has been no shouting or wringing of hands
Hold on, from everything that has been said on here these "problems" are entirely self-inflicted. This is supposedly a long term strategy...a decision that has been made, not bad luck that has "afflicted" them.
Normo's coming home
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Hold on, from everything that has been said on here these "problems" are entirely self-inflicted. This is supposedly a long term strategy...a decision that has been made, not bad luck that has "afflicted" them.
A long term strategy that had some unforeseen results in the short term (A large group of players not returning for a variety of reasons). Perhaps the committee should have managed it better? I don't know, but we move on, making the best of what you have, and try and fix the short term without stuffing up the long term plan.
Sort of like a game of football when you get a couple of injuries to key players. It's no use crying over (someone else) sport's hernia. The team and club just need to move on.
Mind you, the attitude of some of our 'supporters' has been interesting to see.
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I'm a bit late to this.. ain't been round the forum of late...
The subject of money has come up in a few of the posts in the thread. Some of the amounts that players are supposed to be receiving are plain daft. NO NAMES. A couple of seasons back one guy told me he got $10K from a club. Firstly, I thought he was having a laugh. Then I realised he was serious. I'm sorry but that sort of cash is "nuts". Can anyone tell me how the clubs sustain that sort of expenditure?
Cetainly ain't coming in through the gate...
Yep, Stop Out are on a bad run at the moment. Very brief glimpse of the game against Miramar here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCozxxmYO0
That said, and ever the optimist, I think we can turn it around.... watch this space.
BLASPHEMER!!
dairyflat2008-05-13 14:13:47
The subject of money has come up in a few of the posts in the thread. Some of the amounts that players are supposed to be receiving are plain daft. NO NAMES. A couple of seasons back one guy told me he got $10K from a club. Firstly, I thought he was having a laugh. Then I realised he was serious. I'm sorry but that sort of cash is "nuts". Can anyone tell me how the clubs sustain that sort of expenditure?
Cetainly ain't coming in through the gate...
Yep, Stop Out are on a bad run at the moment. Very brief glimpse of the game against Miramar here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCozxxmYO0
That said, and ever the optimist, I think we can turn it around.... watch this space.
We will hang in there for another season lets just hope they dont loose to eastbourne this weekend in the chatham cup.. I wouldnt rule it out.
BLASPHEMER!!
dairyflat2008-05-13 14:13:47
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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SO 1 Wests 0 After 1 minute
SO down to 10 men after S Gulley sent off 24 minutes
1-1 after 32 minutes
SO 1 Wests 0 After 1 minute
SO down to 10 men after S Gulley sent off 24 minutes
1-1 after 32 minutes
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2-3 (18 minutes into 2nd half)
2 -4 (21 minutes)
Crazy-Horse2008-05-24 15:52:22
2 -4 (21 minutes)
Crazy-Horse2008-05-24 15:52:22
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2-5 it finished
Stop Out 2 Western Suburbs 5
Fisum Arden 2 Roddy Brown 1
Sam Jenkins 2
Ben Feld 1
John Rowe 1
Rather frustrating to be finally getting a full team, and then to have them taking early showers
Crazy-Horse2008-05-24 20:48:27
Stop Out 2 Western Suburbs 5
Fisum Arden 2 Roddy Brown 1
Sam Jenkins 2
Ben Feld 1
John Rowe 1
Rather frustrating to be finally getting a full team, and then to have them taking early showers
Crazy-Horse2008-05-24 20:48:27
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Good match to watch, a bit one sided in the second half but Stop Out played most of the match with 10 players.
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Came out on saturday to watch and see stop outs new facilities! Looked really good except the pitch was quite bad on the weekend! Thought wests started out badly but that was largely due to the fact stop out played really well first 20 and scored a well taken goal early on. Think you have the goal scorers wrong I swear Shaun Van Rooyen scored wests last goal and Jenkins got 3 the first being a penalty. Anyway Stop out had 2 or 3 players that were decent I just though in the end wests class was a bit much. Hopefully stop out can take points of someone soon
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Palm Nth Marist 4 Stop Out 0
Petone 7 Stop out 0
Watched both games... Was the most ugliest crap ive seen from them yet... Palmy north marist could of scored atleast 8 times missing several chances... Petone looked relaxed at all times and they knocked past 7... I must admit i loved seeing the younger guys come on at the end against petone... That Younger Gulley caused havoc down that right wing and even could of slotted 1 or maybe 2 away...Maybe the only actual attacking done in weeks from stop out... I remember someone argued with me on here that there are no better players in stop outs second team than the first team.. Well hes one of the four ive seen that are better..
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Reefside
Who are the other three players ? . I think it should be put into perspective that their is a big difference between Capital 2 and Central League . A player that looks the business in Capital 2 may struggle with the pace and quality of the football played in Central League.
Justin ( The Younger Gulley) did play really well and deserved his Stop Out man of the match award . Hopefully he can build on the performance and push for a more regular place in the 1st team squad .
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Who are the other three players ? . I think it should be put into perspective that their is a big difference between Capital 2 and Central League . A player that looks the business in Capital 2 may struggle with the pace and quality of the football played in Central League.
Justin ( The Younger Gulley) did play really well and deserved his Stop Out man of the match award . Hopefully he can build on the performance and push for a more regular place in the 1st team squad .
I agree pass n move there is a big difference between the grades.. However there is not much pace or quality being played by the stop out central league side but in the league yes it is alot faster and of a higher standard.. Mini Gulley got man of the match? Thats great to hear... The players that have stood out for me from what ive seen from the reserves and that i think are alot better than a number of players in the firsts are listed below..
Justin G, Leith W, Ohh or Ohmar someone?, Danny (when he plays but you could argue that he is still carrying an injury or somekind) and The mad scottish guy in the middle of the park
Ive played Central league in my time and i can tell you now these guys would be up to it after watching the way they play and effort they give on saturdays...
Lets not forget Stop outs firsts only scrapped past a Capital 3 side..
I dont want/mean to sl*g the guy off or the club but clearly the coaches tactics are not working... I think the players in the first team squad could be up to central league but the coach is teaching them a style of football which is good, but that does not suit the players there... Plus half of the players on game day dont even look like there giving a hundred percent sometimes which sucks...
We are both stop out men Pass n move lets hope for the best for the rest of the season..
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Reefside, as a player in the first team I think that the style Simon coaches is a good style of football and I do think the players can play that style... however... we are yet to play it for 90 minutes.
I think if anyone is responsible for this it is us as the players. Even if you say that there is only 3 or 4 players who are up to Central League standard, if we played (for 90 minutes) the way we train, or the way Simon coaches us we would be doing a lot better than we are now.
I think that anyone who has seen us play could not argue that we haven't been competitive throughout peroids of the game. But we seem to let ourselves down.
Take the olympic game for example, we could have won that game, tied it up 1-1 with 10 minutes to go, and stopped playing lost 4-1.
Taranaki, we were on top of them pretty much the whole game, conceded a late goal.
Wests, first half, with 10 men for 25 minutes of the first half were competitive and went in 2-2.
I'm not justifying our results, but more saying that we have shown that the style Simon coaches is a good style and can win us games, but we as players have to be better, and we know we can be, we just have to do it.
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Reefside, as a player in the first team I think that the style Simon coaches is a good style of football and I do think the players can play that style... however... we are yet to play it for 90 minutes.
I think if anyone is responsible for this it is us as the players. Even if you say that there is only 3 or 4 players who are up to Central League standard, if we played (for 90 minutes) the way we train, or the way Simon coaches us we would be doing a lot better than we are now.
I think that anyone who has seen us play could not argue that we haven't been competitive throughout peroids of the game. But we seem to let ourselves down.
Take the olympic game for example, we could have won that game, tied it up 1-1 with 10 minutes to go, and stopped playing lost 4-1.
Taranaki, we were on top of them pretty much the whole game, conceded a late goal.
Wests, first half, with 10 men for 25 minutes of the first half were competitive and went in 2-2.
I'm not justifying our results, but more saying that we have shown that the style Simon coaches is a good style and can win us games, but we as players have to be better, and we know we can be, we just have to do it.
DRG its good of you as a player to come foward and say that... as you would of read in my last post i also think it is a good style of football but the matter is that we are nearly into round 2 of the Central league and the team is struggling to play it... I do agree the olympic game was a close one but that last 15 minutes the team struggled to play at all. heads went down and they came out on top... I missed the taranaki game... The wests game ok you had a man sent off but they played a much dominanting style of play in the second half but i must say i did not think they were anything special...
As a player its great you know what has to be done. Now if you could give the rest of them a kick up the arse and get them to do it like you say, then maybe some results will come our way.. Im confident that stop out could get there first win against wellington untd on saturday...
Ive got a feeling you might be one of the four players i mentioned earlier in the year and i wish you good luck for the rest of the season... Didnt see you playing Saturday or Monday though whats going on??
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Yes I was out with a back injury, so missed both Saturday and Monday. I trained last night, and will again tonight and Thursday, can't wait to get back into it, so as long as i'm picked I will be there saturday...
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
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Yes I was out with a back injury, so missed both Saturday and Monday. I trained last night, and will again tonight and Thursday, can't wait to get back into it, so as long as i'm picked I will be there saturday...
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
Ohh i see... Hopefully you get that back sorted out before saturday... If your picked? I would be pretty confident if i was you... I dont know who else they would pick infront of you
Do or die saturday, Good Luck...
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This was a one off result, will not happen again. Stop Out will be top half of table this season.
From the start of the season...
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Yes I was out with a back injury, so missed both Saturday and Monday. I trained last night, and will again tonight and Thursday, can't wait to get back into it, so as long as i'm picked I will be there saturday...
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
Must win for us really, but I think everyone already knows that
Ohh i see... Hopefully you get that back sorted out before saturday... If your picked? I would be pretty confident if i was you... I dont know who else they would pick infront of you
Do or die saturday, Good Luck...
whats do or die exactly??
only half way through the season not exactly do or die yet
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mate have a look at the table...
as a stop out player also, i can tell you that every game from here on is a must win.
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every game from the start is a must win isn't it?
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Usually that would be the case but not with stop out... (dont ask)
Could be a Tawa vs Stop out relegation match if Tawa continue their winning streak and stop out dont win atleast 4 games
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Congratulations to Stop Out your 1st win of the season.
A dog with a bone :)
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They were good for it too.
Dominated the game and every bit deserved their 3 points.
Dominated the game and every bit deserved their 3 points.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Took a while but YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Last ten I was shaking. Can't believe how invoved i get!!! 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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Well done Stop Out.
2ndBest...explain...
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I saw the 2nd half, so no goals, but Stop Out semed more amped, hungrier
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Salmon072008-06-08 17:06:15
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Salmon072008-06-08 17:06:15
Salmon swim upstream
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I saw the 2nd half, so no goals, but Stop Out semed more amped, hungrier
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Yeah shame that, it was no doubt a corner. But no excuses for Boyack calling the ref a f***ing idiot, aside from that last call the ref was all over that match.
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Well done Stop Out.
2ndBest...explain...
I need to put my hand up.
2ndBest2008-06-08 12:21:36
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Yeah shame that, it was no doubt a corner. But no excuses for Boyack calling the ref a f***ing idiot, aside from that last call the ref was all over that match.
No swear word was used.
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I saw the 2nd half, so no goals, but Stop Out semed more amped, hungrier
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Hugo's injection of skill almost payed dividends- this is the french lad poached from Div 14!
controversy at the end when Utd were pressing and a cross came in and it skimmed of a stop out head for acorner and the ref and line-o gave a goal kick- in the was up a Utd player was sent-
it was defo a corner- i was behind the goal- would've been interesting to see what Utd could've done with that- but ah well
well done Stop Out- come on Utd- lift the game!
Yeah shame that, it was no doubt a corner. But no excuses for Boyack calling the ref a f***ing idiot, aside from that last call the ref was all over that match.
Firstly I didn't call the ref a 'f***ing idiot'. I told him that he was awful and no swear word was used. Secondly I don't believe I deserved my first yellow. I'm also unsure if the ref would have given me the second yellow, as he did not bring out the red until a Stop Out player told him it was my second.
Anyway well done Stop Out. They played well in the first half and managed to hold on at the end.
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Yeah shame that, it was no doubt a corner. But no excuses for Boyack calling the ref a f***ing idiot, aside from that last call the ref was all over that match.
No swear word was used.
Well I couldn't hear anything in the stand but that what I was told. I don't really understand how a player can be sent off for dissent, it's just so mindless. Anyway I was sitting up their and I though, wait a minute thats his second yellow, the ref sure took his time whipping the red out, perhaps he forgot!
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