Stop Out's Central League credentials?

Stop Out's Central League credentials?

Can anyone give a report on Stop Out's capitulation against Lower Hutt City?

Surely a 9-1 reversal must be a CL loss margin record?

Is this a one-off result or are their much bigger concerns for Stop Out with regards to survival in the Central League?

Awesome thanks for that Scouse.

Stop Out were poor on a reasonable good day for football.they lacked any decent touchers and any real pace. it could/should have been alot more.there gk was not very confident at all either.

Poor Sam.

This was a one off result, will not happen again. Stop Out will be top half of table this season. This will be shown next weekend against Petone

You have XI new players signing this week ?

when L/Hutt beat Mirimar 13 zip was that CL?? or am i just showing my age??

I think this hiding took place in 2001 or 2002, at that stage Miramar's top side was playing National league, so it would have been the reserves playing

correct pitbull

my bad,

hahaha blatantly of topic but ive not touched a football (in a game) in about 10 months pal.

Able to job 10 mins at a time ( about as much running as I did in a game lol ) then the knee balloons up and the need for copious amounts of voltaren sets in. Have tried kicking a ball a few times down the park but massive pain trying to generate any power.

why not dispute me? im a fairly timid kid am i not?!
Barber212008-04-08 13:47:18

didn't get too much better in the weekend.  Any reports?

We probably had the better of Petone in the first 15-20 mins, and it was a fairly even for the first 30.  We gave away a corner and Whitmarsh scored a pretty good header to make it 1-0, we had a couple of chances to score and just before half time, then we had a corner which they countered from and made it 2-0.  Second half Petone probably had more possession and looked more dangerous than us, but we were still creating chances, until, we handed them a 3rd goal, from here Petone dominated and got a late 4th.

Overall Petone looked like a well drilled side, again for us, positives to take from the game but mistakes at vital times in dangerous areas are costing us dearly.

Cheers D R G... we'd been lacking a Stop Out voice.

winnerswearred2008-05-01 23:08:41

From what I saw on Saturday, Stop Out are a struggling side. If those youngster continue to be demolished week in week out its only going to damage their confidence.

Originally posted by Park Life
"Posters on Fever's forums � always the home of well-reasoned argument as regular readers will know � are divided as to whether it's the coach's fault, the committee's fault or the players' fault that they are so poor."
Park Life is a blame-sharer at heart so suspects it's a little of all three."

Originally posted by Crazy-Horse
"I'm not sure there is fault in what they are doing, or if there is a fault, it perhaps really lies with the state of football in New Zealand that sees players requiring vast amounts for their services, in what is, effectively, the third tier in the New Zealand football pyramid.I understand that the committee have decided that, instead of pumping money into the a team of itinerant football players to come mid-table or lower in the Big Travel league, it is better to use the money to develop talent from within, and try to mold a team that want to play for Stop Out for the next few years. This is why the have acquired a coach, not just for the first team, but someone that will really work at all levels of coaching in the club, and has security in his position.I don't know how successful they will be, but SO are at least trying something different. The way clubs are burning money on the Central League is a disaster for the game in New Zealand IMHO."


Crazy Horse, in some ways I agree with you. I've argued for a long time that paying players beyond expenses in what are completely amateur competitions is counter productive. Especially when you see the state of the training facilities most clubs are using, it's pretty clear where some of that money could be used. Having spoken to some friends who play first division club rugby in Wellington, which is of a much higher relative standard than Travel League football, they were extremely surprised to hear of any payment as that is completely foreign to them. The expectations on them is arguably even greater than travel league football, and is close to professional. So I think there is definitely something to be said about this philosophy.

Bringing players in from overseas has lead to a general increase in the standard of football, but it's probably only of benefit when these guys commit for a decent length of time (Tim Butterfield and G from Miramar spring to mind) and have supplemented already strong sides with home grown local talent, rather than creating a side from as you call them, itinerant foreigners.

At the same time, I think Stop Out can't expect to make that kind of transition over night. Rightly or wrongly they have pursued a different recruitment policy previously and it's in my opinion disrespectful to the excellent Stop Out side which earned promotion in 2005 and more importantly, the rest of the Travel League, to play 15 year olds who are clearly not up to the task, in the first team. Dropping these players in it too early is unlikely to be good for their long term development, could see Stop Out relegated which would be disastrous and makes a mockery of having a side in the Central League. And if as Blocker suggests above that these young guys are being required to play two games in a day, it doesn't sound like this strategy has been very well thought out.

I've copied my post from the other thread as though it might be more relevant here.james dean2008-05-04 04:04:47

playing players that can't even make their under 19 team who are now playing central league hardly development more desprate. 

If that is the case it makes a mockery of this so called strategy...

Some valid points made, James and others.

However, can I clarify my post.  I wasn't referring to 'foreigners'  when I used the word 'itinerant'.

I agree totally with your first paragraph, about supplementing local talent with overseas players.  I also recognize the point about longer stays for these players.  However, having tried to extend player's durations, it is not always easy due to their wishes, but also the working holiday visa rules that most clubs seem to use to bring these player's in.

Secondly, Stop Out (rightly or wrongly) are on their third coach since Mike Holmwood took them back to Central League.  It isn't just an instant transition!  On that point, this is one of the reasons why Simon came back as a coach.  He had played as an overseas player for us, and had a vision similar to that of the club committee.

As far as I am aware, (and I am not currently directly involved with Stop Out's senior team) - none of the previous teams were told they were not required.  Many of them  started the year at our pre-season training.  So the Stop Out Wanderers LHAFC team that beat us at Bell Park earlier in the season have made their own choice to move on.  Perhaps they were uncomfortable with the new set-up (new set-ups with 3 different coaches in 3 years???)? Perhaps they had better offers?  Who can blame them - I suspect we attracted them with 'better offers' when they joined us.  However, with one or two notable exceptions, none of these players had come from Stop Out's junior ranks, and the costs of keeping them at the club or getting similar players, was rising faster than the price of petrol.

As a result, Stop Out said enough! And I suspect there are a number of other clubs who are thinking or implementing it, perhaps not as radically as at The Raceway.

Our club was originally set up to take wayward kids off the streets, now we're taking them from junior ranks and transitioning them into senior football.  I also hope that we are not moving them too fast (for their sake), but sometimes external factors waylay the best laid plans.

As an individual, I'm not sure participation in the big travel league is the Holy Grail that it appears, instead perhaps more of a poison chalice.

Also moved after I replied, because I didn't see this post.

Team Taranaki         2    Stop Out              1

Bring back Regan Young as coach

Any team that loses to Team Taranaki doesn't deserve to be in that League. Warfies, Tawa, Island bay, etc are all better teams. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Central League needs to go. Only 2 non-Wellington teams can foot it, Napier and Palmy Nth.

I agree. Bring back the old Capital Premier/ Capital Reserve regime.

As Chair of Porirua City FC and an ex Stop Out player I support the Stop Out committee strategy and wish them luck. Stop Out have a great youth set up which is an important focus at the club and the progression of gifted players from the catchment area into the first team (and other senior teams) is the way it should go. I have a lot of respect for the SO committee and they need to be given time with this strategy. If they finish bottom and have to play a playoff game to stay up so be it. CL isnt everything.

winnerswearred2008-05-05 21:33:54

I think the best option would be for Stop Out to merge with Lower Hutt or Petone..

Definition of Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
(Benjamin Franklin)

Stop Out have been down the road of attracting players by paying the market rates, and what did it achieve - 7th in 2006.9th in 2007.

Gisborne did it as well - 4th in 06, 6th in 07, ??? in 08

Richmond City...
Leeds United...
Can we see a pattern forming, of clubs paying and paying, until the deck of cards falls over.  Thank God for football in New Zealand that some clubs are questioning the insanity - Stop Out and University Mount Wellington