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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WGTN Club nursery grades

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Should CF/NZF be slapping a levy on nursery grades (5 yr olds) that clubs run themselves?

 

Is it acceptable that these nippers (parents) contribute to the National body � or is it just unjustified revenue gathering?

 

This debate is currently taking place. Thoughts?

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If they arent playing in a capital football orgainsed competition then I wouldnt expect them to be paying any money to Capital Football/NZF. They are just trying to inflate their registered playing numbers to boost their own ego's.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interestingly in the UK now if you play 5 a side you have to pay an FA Affiliation fee even for private competitons run at health clubs

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Justified how JD?

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I dunno, it's on the bill, it's �10, you pay or they won't let you play, what are you gonna do??

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Greenie, the question you'd have to ask is what would NZF do if you refused to pay? They can't stop you running what are essentially training sessionsjames dean2010-02-02 23:41:00

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
I dunno, it's on the bill, it's �10, you pay or they won't let you play, what are you gonna do??
Possible to just claim it as a casual kickaround? Where do they draw the line there? Seems a bit off. 10 guys organise a kickaround game at the park,5v5...some official comes along "10 pound each lads". Obviously its not like that...but yeah.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's on the bill from the competition when you sign up

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nothing happens. I had a "Little Dribblers" conversation with Capital Football before they brought it in and asked what we would get for our $5, how much we would get paid for collecting it and what happens when we run 4 per year. Do they pay $20 then if they play at every program?
That was the last the Little Dribblers heard of it.
We hire our own grounds, organise our own programs and pay all our own expenses.
The purpose of registering and getting the numbers up would be to get more funding from Sparc which is all good. But I know there wouldn't be any benefit to the Little Dribblers in NZF getting more money because of our own initiative.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Surely Sportzone there is a way that they could call you guys say a "registered provider", you pay some levy (make it $50 a year - unimportant), you can then say in your advertising blah blah "affiliated to NZF", which might help I don't know, you can use their branding or something, and then NZF can count the no's as NZ affiliated without trying to get money out of people?
 
Everyone wins...

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd say NZF want the money. They are going to try charging Joe Bloggs kicking a ball on the beach soon.

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james dean wrote:
Surely Sportzone there is a way that they could call you guys say a "registered provider", you pay some levy (make it $50 a year - unimportant), you can then say in your advertising blah blah "affiliated to NZF", which might help I don't know, you can use their branding or something, and then NZF can count the no's as NZ affiliated without trying to get money out of people?
 
Everyone wins...

You would think so but you only have to remember what happened to Wyners when they came along. Pretty much told to PO I think as it didn't fit in the NZSoccer manual at the time. When I started Twilight there was a comment of "we are going to do that and we'll take you over"
There are people who think they own and want to control football but in reality there is far more football going on in the country than NZF can bothered with or know about. You only have to check the indoor venues, futsal, ethnic tournaments, beach soccer, street soccer, kids coaching and nursery grades to realise this.
SportZone2010-02-04 13:03:28
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SportZone wrote:
james dean wrote:
Surely Sportzone there is a way that they could call you guys say a "registered provider", you pay some levy (make it $50 a year - unimportant), you can then say in your advertising blah blah "affiliated to NZF", which might help I don't know, you can use their branding or something, and then NZF can count the no's as NZ affiliated without trying to get money out of people?
 
Everyone wins...

You would think so but you only have to remember what happened to Wyners when they came along. Pretty much told to PO I think as it didn't fit in the NZSoccer manual at the time. When I started Twilight there was a comment of "we are going to do that and we'll take you over"
There are people who think they own and want to control football but in reality there is far more football going on in the country than NZF can bothered with or know about. You only have to check the indoor venues, futsal, ethnic tournaments, beach soccer, street soccer, kids coaching and nursery grades to realise this.
 
And so it should be too.
 
I have an issue with the creeping corporatisation of football globally.
 
Clubs began because groups of individuals wanted to form them.  Associations began because groups of clubs wanted them.  National bodies began because groups of Associations wanted them.
 
But the people running the larger entities have forgotten where their mandate came from.  So national bodies are attempting to control their internal associations, and within the regions the Associations are attempting to control their member clubs. 
 
This has gone on for so long that only people with long memories remember the way it began.
 
It has become very anti-democratic, with players being regarded as customers rather than members and football being perceived as a business rather than a community.
 
And it leads to some very shonky decision making.  Like this.
 
/rant.
 
 

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Totally agree Smithy.
In Mainland clubs are being levied a fee for 16 players per team this year (11 a side leagues) whereas in previous years we were only levied for 14 players (have been told it has always been 16 players per team in all other parts of the country, Michael Gladding even took the time to write us a letter on this). This is regardless of how many players are actually in a squad which seems absolutely ridiculous to me.
We have also been told that all players aged 19 and over are senior footballers and should be charged subs accordingly. In previous years they have been classified as juniors down here. Mainland's response to this is to change our youth grades from U19 to U18. Clever eh? Totally avoids the issue of players dropping out of the game at youth/young adult level which I have always maintained has a direct correlation to the cost of playing.
Same with levying junior in house competitions and players. For years clubs down here ran in house set ups without paying levies and used the subs (in the $25 - $40 region) to help fund (rightly or wrongly) senior setups. Many clubs have ended up with totally seperate Senior and Junior sections down here because of this. Now that money is going to the Federation and NZF, senior subs have to go up to compensate. Totally short sighted.
Getting back to the fee based on 16 players per squad, one initiative from NZF (which I agree with) in recent years has been to get small sided games in junior leagues on small pitches introduced so everyone gets more time on the ball and therefore skills improve. To me this seems at total odds with the 16 players per team levy in slightly older 11 a side leagues. In a time when we are experiencing unprecedented interest in the sport with the recent success of age group international teams, the All Whites and the Phoenix NZF have once again shown perfect timing in shooting themselves in the foot. Well done yet again.

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