Wikipedia - and local clubs

Maybe people here can help?

Looking up a couple of local clubs on Wikipedia the entry was either sketchy/incomplete or inaccurate.  OK, there are websites and social media pages to go to but having a decent entry might be worthwhile. We know that Wikipedia is only as good as the editors/contributors.

A couple of us were thinking that it might be good if we get people who support, or are connected to, the clubs to tend the Wikipedia pages. Maybe if we think about what we know about our respective clubs and then add what we know.

One thing that is tricky is finding sources of information.  Two names were offered, @TheJourneyFan and @ScouseKiwi as people who might know about where good sources reside.

The other thing is that a lot of club information is not written down but is available in an oral form. How does Wikipedia handle that?

In short what can we do to bolster the respective entries and make them worthwhile sources/repositories?

So a couple of things, first information on Wikipedia has to be from a reliable source. Normally that means that it has to come from a third party and not actually from the clubs own websites. Certain things can be used from first person sources but most can't and you really need to get it from either Stuff, NZ Herald or http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/ (ScouseKiwi website). For a list of reliable sources for football, you can view them here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Links TheJourneyFan site isn't seen as reliable due to being a blog, but if you want to argue it is, you can take that up on with Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football.

Oral Information (or as Wikipedia calls it, original research) is not allowed, so even if you know the information to be true. It can't be added unless it comes from a reliable source. This is why most pages will basically be stubs and shouldn't have such stuff has historys/team lists etc because they can't be verified. Most newspapers don't write the team lists or history of clubs.

Lastly, Hi - Im NZFC on Wikipedia and have come across you already on the Stop Out page and the NZ Football page.

best resource is Scousekiwis site http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com

For Wellington clubs this page has lots of info http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/Database/id1070.h...

I had thought about putting some stuff on Wikipedia but a lot of it is just duplicating or re-organising what is already on Ultimate

sort of understand why my site isn't seen as reliable as its essentially a blog (although I am looking at moving it to a proper website pretty soon), although I'd argue having won the NZFMA website of the year award twice now, that should be enough to consider it reliable.

If you are looking for anything always happy to help, DM me or coantcat via twitter

Do jump on and help, even if it is too tidy up the articles as they need it. I'm trying to do them around other stuff, but its just a matter of how much time I can get. I think if you do move to your own website you should put in a case to the WikiProject Football to have your site added as a reliable source, always need more of them.

Hi NZFC.

First up, when I wrote of @TheJourneyFan and @Scousekiwi I mean tapping into their personal knowledge not necessarily their particular sites/blogs. My feeling is that they may well know where to find 'stuff'.

As for oral information how do put that into a 'reliable source'. It's clear that we run the risk of losing a lot of our local football history as it is not being recorded. In short what can we do to expand the 'stubs'?

Where you wrote "Normally that means that it has to come from a third party and not actually from the clubs own websites." poses an issue does it not? In that, often these are the only sources of information.

Clearly we have problem so what is our solution?

What you have here is that you are misinterpreting what Wikipedia is for, it is an encyclopedia but it doesn't care what clubs or people have to say about themselves, it only cares what 3rd party (reliable sources) say. There is no solution unless the information comes from those sources otherwise it can't go on Wikipedia and if it does, it will be removed.

If you want to capture history, that is what Scousekiwi website is for and then it can be on Wikipedia or you can make your own website and/or clubs can have it on their websites.

It may pay to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

Which clubs?

Let's not highlight individual entries.

I just hoped we could beef up what we have there already.

paperspast will probably be a good source of information for what happened pre 1945.

Seeing how difficult Wikipedia can be for putting content up it would be awesome to have all NZF football data in one location.

May I suggest an alternative place like wikia?

http://www.wikia.com/Special:CreateNewWiki

Here's an example of the EFL and on wikia with all the respective clubs

http://football.wikia.com/wiki/English_Football_League

Would be a pretty sweet project to have all the history of each club in each league stored online starting one from the top for the NZF Premiership/ Womens League and then creating ones for the Winter Leagues with all the clubs/franchises and their history then could even go to lower level.

Not too sure how Wikia works in terms of content creators/moderators but I use it alot to geek out on movies and games

Also while finding the OFC page on Wikia there seems to be no NZF entry which means theres an opportunity to bulk it up see here - http://football.wikia.com/wiki/Oceania_Football_Confederation

Sorry another edit just found the NZF Premiership http://football.wikia.com/wiki/New_Zealand_Football_Championship