I'm hearing lots of mixed messages coming out of Stopout and the greater football community that they have sacked their english coach.
Can any one confirm
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Besim's their coach and he ain't English.
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I think Besim is the assistant and they had an English lad who was actually the number 1.
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news is correct, besim is just the one you hear all the time lol
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Yes, I beleive this was the case too.
Anyone from Stopout care to comment.
I see on your website that he is moving on. pretty weird decision with only 4 games to go.
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was at the mar game today and had a chat to one of the current players. The committee are playing certain cards close to their chests about the real reason for the departure.
Doesnt sound like the players are very happy according to this player. some are looking at moving already for next season.
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It seems that Simon had things in his contract that the Stop Out committee think he was not completing.
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I don't know what Stop out players you are talking about but most i know from the first team and second team are glad hes gone or not really fussed. Besim (coach) and Justin (manager) do a great job and get along with everyone at the club very well. More players left or were less interested to play for Stop Out when Simon was there.
Reason for leaving i have heared is that his contract expired before the end of the season and they did not wish to resign him.
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I don't know what Stop out players you are talking about but most i know from the first team and second team are glad hes gone or not really fussed. Besim (coach) and Justin (manager) do a great job and get along with everyone at the club very well. More players left or were less interested to play for Stop Out when Simon was there.
Reason for leaving i have heared is that his contract expired before the end of the season and they did not wish to resign him.
Certainly from the game I saw at the start of the season and from recent time (tawa) the team looks the same.
I dont get your point.
One would have to ask why a coaches contrct would run out during the season as well. sounds bizare at best.
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You heard wrong, he still had a year on his contract. He was summarily sacked.
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You heard wrong, he still had a year on his contract. He was summarily sacked.
How good is your source. I was hearing simular things but not from such a good source.
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I don't know what Stop out players you are talking about but most i know from the first team and second team are glad hes gone or not really fussed. Besim (coach) and Justin (manager) do a great job and get along with everyone at the club very well. More players left or were less interested to play for Stop Out when Simon was there.
Reason for leaving i have heared is that his contract expired before the end of the season and they did not wish to resign him.
Certainly from the game I saw at the start of the season and from recent time (tawa) the team looks the same.
I dont get your point.
One would have to ask why a coaches contrct would run out during the season as well. sounds bizare at best.
Over the last two seasons not just this season. Alot of new faces this year but can put that down to Besim and the committee getting in players.
Sorry endeavour, your sources must be better than mine.
Oh well hes gone now and the club move on and move foward. Wish him all the best.
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Source outstanding.
Buildit, whilst historically this may have been the case, you're giving the committee more credit than warranted for player searching this year.
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I don't know what Stop out players you are talking about but most i know from the first team and second team are glad hes gone or not really fussed. Besim (coach) and Justin (manager) do a great job and get along with everyone at the club very well. More players left or were less interested to play for Stop Out when Simon was there.
Reason for leaving i have heared is that his contract expired before the end of the season and they did not wish to resign him.
Certainly from the game I saw at the start of the season and from recent time (tawa) the team looks the same.
I dont get your point.
One would have to ask why a coaches contrct would run out during the season as well. sounds bizare at best.
Over the last two seasons not just this season. Alot of new faces this year but can put that down to Besim and the committee getting in players.
Sorry endeavour, your sources must be better than mine.
Oh well hes gone now and the club move on and move foward. Wish him all the best.
And this has nothing to do with players wanting to play higher up. Stopout got relegated last season if I'm not mistaken. Not every player wants to move down so you loose players.
Welly Utd will have the same issues next season.
You sound like you dont have much football experience.
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Coming back to the main point I thought all the talk about this Simon chap was that he had a clue and knew what he was doing. I believe he was well qualified.
Chances he'll pop up at another club?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Please see my earlier comment. It wasn't a question of coaching ability but of fulfilling details in his contract.
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Yeah good point you did say that.
So what was he failing to do exactly?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I really don't know. That was all that I found out.
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Yeah good point you did say that.
So what was he failing to do exactly?
Im not expecting an answer to this one.
So, he was sacked then and it was not simply a case of not having his contract renewed.
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Yeah good point you did say that.
So what was he failing to do exactly?
Im not expecting an answer to this one.
Me neither, but you don't cast a line you don't catch a fish is what my daddy used to say.
Seems a bit weird just in as much that there aren't a great deal of requirements of a Capital Premier coach. Recruit players, run trainings, win some things. Short of not turning up to training I can't imagine what you could do to get summarily dismissed.
Leading me to believe this is perhaps a beat up and in fact his contract did expire.
If he was sacked and would like a lawyer...I know a man...
Smithy2009-07-29 12:24:19
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Yeah good point you did say that.
So what was he failing to do exactly?
Im not expecting an answer to this one.
Me neither, but you don't cast a line you don't catch a fish is what my daddy used to say.
Seems a bit weird just in as much that there aren't a great deal of requirements of a Capital Premier coach. Recruit players, run trainings, win some things. Short of not turning up to training I can't imagine what you could do to get summarily dismissed.
Leading me to believe this is perhaps a beat up and in fact his contract did expire.
If he was sacked and would like a lawyer...I know a man...
His details are still on their clubs website. Muppets
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Sure i wont argue that players left because we got relegated from central thats a good point but that wasnt the only reason. You must remember also he wasnt just first team coach but director of football at Stop out that was his job title. He had many roles. Coaching the first team was only one of them. He was failing to do other roles in the club not just first team coach. Besim was and now is running the show from what i saw and have spoken to players about.
Wtfnz please dont mug off our club or make statments that i must not know anything about football. Im sure his details will be removed soon. Obviously the sacking of simon has touched a nerve with you. Fair enough.
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Buildit
Dont beleive I have said anything bad about Stop out. Apoligies if I did.
I dont think its fair for clubs to cast coaches a side. Ross from Welly and now Simon from your club. Where does it stop. Clubs and committees have a lot to answer for.
We play football in Wgtn, not in some glamour high profile league overseas.
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No worries.
Straight from the horses mouth (very reliable source) Simons contract expired August 1st as Director of football, it was reviewed and voted on and the decision was not to resign him. He was not "sacked"
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Buildit
Dont beleive I have said anything bad about Stop out. Apoligies if I did.
I dont think its fair for clubs to cast coaches a side. Ross from Welly and now Simon from your club. Where does it stop. Clubs and committees have a lot to answer for.
We play football in Wgtn, not in some glamour high profile league overseas.
For the record, Ross Durant at United stepped aside. He wasn't pushed and is coaching their Under 19s.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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No worries.
Straight from the horses mouth (very reliable source) Simons contract expired August 1st as Director of football, it was reviewed and voted on and the decision was not to resign him. He was not "sacked"
I have it from a realy reliable source that his contract was Nov not Aug.
Come on what club realy has an employees contract expire during the season.
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Buildit
Dont beleive I have said anything bad about Stop out. Apoligies if I did.
I dont think its fair for clubs to cast coaches a side. Ross from Welly and now Simon from your club. Where does it stop. Clubs and committees have a lot to answer for.
We play football in Wgtn, not in some glamour high profile league overseas.
For the record, Ross Durant at United stepped aside. He wasn't pushed and is coaching their Under 19s.
Great to hear that Ross is still involved. Totally nice guy that I really rate.
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Yeah me also.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Without getting into the ins and outs of the current departure of Simon, Stop Out now find themselves in the position of:
a) Having removed one of the most technically qualified coaches in Wellington from the position of coach / Director of Football
b) Having their fifth coach in six years, since Mike Holmwood took them to promotion to Central League.
c) Mid -table in the second tier league, their lowest position since the committee decided that Mike Holmwood did not have it in him to coach in Central League.
d) A so-called youth development programme that was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread chucked out, (apparently on two weeks notice).
Bill Shankly was reported to have said .... "At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques" Perhaps, the sign the cheques is a little over the top in our so-called amateur game, but it is no doubt that success will only come when the committee are setting direction and governance and leaving the tactics to the team coach and players. The club will never succeed with any coach when members of the committee are heard slagging off his tactics on the sideline at major games. So far, I have seen none of the Stop Out committee who are filling the role of Roman Abramovich.
Unless Stop Out people stop living in the past, and sort their roles out, they will continue on the path they are currently on, following the path of Accrington Stanley
a) Having removed one of the most technically qualified coaches in Wellington from the position of coach / Director of Football
b) Having their fifth coach in six years, since Mike Holmwood took them to promotion to Central League.
c) Mid -table in the second tier league, their lowest position since the committee decided that Mike Holmwood did not have it in him to coach in Central League.
d) A so-called youth development programme that was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread chucked out, (apparently on two weeks notice).
Bill Shankly was reported to have said .... "At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques" Perhaps, the sign the cheques is a little over the top in our so-called amateur game, but it is no doubt that success will only come when the committee are setting direction and governance and leaving the tactics to the team coach and players. The club will never succeed with any coach when members of the committee are heard slagging off his tactics on the sideline at major games. So far, I have seen none of the Stop Out committee who are filling the role of Roman Abramovich.
Unless Stop Out people stop living in the past, and sort their roles out, they will continue on the path they are currently on, following the path of Accrington Stanley
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To balance the ledger a little bit they have one of the best coaches in town still in Besim. They have a crop of good young players coming through, the likes of Justin Gulley, Mike Haggerty and Jack Kemp, and they have a first team with some quality in it - Steven Gulley, Admir Balicevac etc etc.
They have a great facility and, it seems, aren't broke.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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No worries.
Straight from the horses mouth (very reliable source) Simons contract expired August 1st as Director of football, it was reviewed and voted on and the decision was not to resign him. He was not "sacked"
OK let's make this patently clear, because your very reliable source either doesn't get it, or telling porkies.
The 1 August date that Stop Out's refers to was his original letter of offer. Not his contract! The contract commenced when he accepted and arrived in the country in November.
The contract was a 3 year contract which had an additional right of renewal for 1 year beyond the 3 year term... thus always giving him 2 years, or a 1 year period to look at his options. There was also a termination clause.
If Stop Out didn't want to renew the contract, then Simon still had a year left on his existing contract. As that was not available to him, he was terminated.
I hate it when horses gets twisted bowell syndrome & spits out a whole load of sh*te from its mouth just to paper over their contractual and managerial incompetence, for which they have been trusted with.
They should think themselves lucky that the club is not looking for legal representation for the way they conducted themselves in an employment issue.
The lesson to be learned out of this for all clubs is, if a club doesn't have the expertise readily at hand when such events arise, it doesn't absolve the committee or directors of their legal responsibilities. All organisations should have risk registers of what events they are potentially liable for and what they will do if that event occurs. A basic principle of good governance!
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Local football clubs making three year contracts. wtf?
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It was part of a long-term strategy, that the previous incumbents on the committee thought was important, to take the club from a state of survival mode management to management based on a vision of where they saw the club in its centenary year.
After the trauma of being one meeting away from being wound up, through the survival stage to recovery at junior levels, and beginning to pick up senior numbers, it was felt that survival and consolidation was no longer the key issue. They needed to start planning for the future of the club and the game. Changing coaches faster than they changed the strip was not a key part of that strategy. Unfortunately many of the people with some vision ran up against those that want to rule the club like a personal fiefdom.
After the trauma of being one meeting away from being wound up, through the survival stage to recovery at junior levels, and beginning to pick up senior numbers, it was felt that survival and consolidation was no longer the key issue. They needed to start planning for the future of the club and the game. Changing coaches faster than they changed the strip was not a key part of that strategy. Unfortunately many of the people with some vision ran up against those that want to rule the club like a personal fiefdom.
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Endeavour doesnt matter whos right or wrong over this. The matters over, hes gone and more people are please about it that who aren't so sorry if i have touched a nerve i am not trying to start an argument.
STC1 i must agree it would be great to see the club hold on to a coach for longer than a season or two. We have had bad luck starting with Ian Porteous having to pull out after his first year as he had family and a buisness to tend to. Grant Turner resigning and now this. Personally i would of loved to see Mike holmwood stick around and have a crack at Central league but he didnt get that chance. I would love to see the club hold on to Besim as he is a great coach and easy to deal with. However i can't say i have seen people or committee members from the sidelines mugging off Simon or his tactics but wouldn't be suprised and that is not a good thing to hear. We did have one committee member who use to abuse the refs and the other teams coaches but he has since been forced to resign earlier this season.
Please give us a break and dont mug us off. If you have issues with the club dont post it on here tell someone from the club directly. None of them have anger problems and are all friendly and willing to listen. im sure we will get there eventualy it has been a rollercoaster ride the last few years. Every club has its ups and downs. i think overall the club is in a very good position. Great clubrooms, New changing rooms, Top notch feilds. The youth coming through is amazing, and yes we are in a strong financial position The first and second teams are mainly made up of players all under 19 which is great to see. Hopefully the club can hold on to them.
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Endeavour doesnt matter whos right or wrong over this. The matters over, hes gone and more people are please about it that who aren't so sorry if i have touched a nerve i am not trying to start an argument.
Buildit, I love the way you try & take the moral high ground whilst spouting such false propoganda. Committee resignations included President, Treasurer & Club Captain... Similarly a hard working junior committee member also resigned about a month later... Were they all angry?
STC1 i must agree it would be great to see the club hold on to a coach for longer than a season or two. We have had bad luck starting with Ian Porteous having to pull out after his first year as he had family and a buisness to tend to. Grant Turner resigning and now this. Personally i would of loved to see Mike holmwood stick around and have a crack at Central league but he didnt get that chance. I would love to see the club hold on to Besim as he is a great coach and easy to deal with. However i can't say i have seen people or committee members from the sidelines mugging off Simon or his tactics but wouldn't be suprised and that is not a good thing to hear. We did have one committee member who use to abuse the refs and the other teams coaches but he has since been forced to resign earlier this season.
Please give us a break and dont mug us off. If you have issues with the club dont post it on here tell someone from the club directly. None of them have anger problems and are all friendly and willing to listen. im sure we will get there eventualy it has been a rollercoaster ride the last few years. Every club has its ups and downs. i think overall the club is in a very good position. Great clubrooms, New changing rooms, Top notch feilds. The youth coming through is amazing, and yes we are in a strong financial position The first and second teams are mainly made up of players all under 19 which is great to see. Hopefully the club can hold on to them.
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I have no idea maybe??? I know one of them was for a fact but thats got nothing to do with it and we wont get into it. I dont understand what you are getting at? I was simply stating our current committee are all easy aproachable people. No need to get nasty
For the record you probally shouldn't go into so much detail about someone elses contract. If it was legal binding as you said in one of your earlier posts, what gives you the right to come on here and tell everyone about it. Legal contracts are private and are for the parties involved eyes only.
I was only stating the facts i didnt get into any detail about the contract as such.
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I have no idea maybe??? I know one of them was for a fact but thats got nothing to do with it and we wont get into it. I dont understand what you are getting at? I was simply stating our current committee are all easy aproachable people. No need to get nasty
For the record you probally shouldn't go into so much detail about someone elses contract. If it was legal binding as you said in one of your earlier posts, what gives you the right to come on here and tell everyone about it. Legal contracts are private and are for the parties involved eyes only.
I was only stating the facts i didnt get into any detail about the contract as such.
I know for a fact that not all of them are not easy to get on with. I heard a discussion while in the club at the begining of the season. Asked a local who it was. No names mentioned here but it was a commitee member according to the friendly bar man.
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you guys should just merge with Lower Hutt
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