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Youthful misgivings?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Youthful misgivings?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Anyone else a bit bothered by the very young players that keep popping up in both mens and womens football?
Huge difference in physical development between a THIRTEEN year old and a THIRTY year old. Kids of thirteen are still growing and knocks at that age can have lasting effects.
I spoke to one parent last week who had pulled her daughter from a womens' league because the physical ask was simply too much.
Passing a lower league mens game I saw a young guy out there. In asking it seems he was fourteen. To my mind that's just too young.

Isn't there a lower age limit for playing in senior football in any case?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

lower grade example but:
a few years back we played an Olympic team that was short so they put a player's 12 year old son up front, handy kid and quick, but when he was invariably knocked off the ball and skittled they complained like buggery- not really fair if you ask me, if you can't handle it then don't play

we ended up beating them 10-1 and the kid bagged their goal!

Maybe an age of 15/16 is set and that grey area is settled by physical prowess rather than age

Salmon swim upstream

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If you are good enough, you are old enough.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

DKP22 wrote:

If you are good enough, you are old enough.

I disagree with that, I watched a girls game last year and their were a couple of 13 year olds up front and they were getting a bit bashed around by the older opposition. It all ended in tears as one player was on the end of a hiding from the goal keeper, so despite the fact these youngsters were definitely up to it skill wise they were to young and to deal with the physical side of the game.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think that is almost your motto for the women you hang around there Island Bay boy... maybe switch the two...

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think CL rules say that players needs to be 15. Not sure about other leagues.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I played Northern Prem at 15 and regular senior footy from 14. Never did me any harm getting thumped by 30 + year old strikers. It comes down to the player themselves. I was 6 foot, 85 kg at 13 so no size issue. Smaller players can suffer but if your keen, go for it. Just don't expect any favours.Toffeeman2008-06-08 14:02:48

Its no longer a problem.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

DKP22 wrote:

If you are good enough, you are old enough.

Totally agree with you there. Remember its not just being good enough skill wise but good enough to be able to handle it physically.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The revision of Capital Football's rules prior to the start of this season saw a new regulation 2.3.2 which was approved by the clubs. This brought in to local leagues the rule that had been in the Central League for 1 (or 2) seasons.

"No player under the age of 14 years at the first of January each year may
compete in any Capital Football senior competitions."

However, clubs are choosing to blatantly ignore this, despite it having been brought to their attention in detail by a series of emails to all club contacts.
Capital Football are choosing to ignore the enforcement of the regulation, until a club protests.
Capital Football have accepted registrations of players who are clearly in breech of this age limit

Why bother with regulations if we are not going to enforce them?
Why do teams waste their time with team cards, if they contain the names of ineligible players , but no-one gives a toss.
Do rules only get policed if a fine is likely to result.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In some areas there simply aren't the numbers both at secondary school and senior level for 14-17 year olds to just play against other school-aged players/teams. Wgtn is prob different. Being a 6 ft 85kg 13 year old

would help though. The scales will often be evened up by the (warning: generalisation ahead) younger players being faster (and more skillful).

While more complex a bit of personal responsibility is required in this issue, both in deciding whether to mix in senior leagues, and, on the part of us older ones, to not just clatter the smartass kid (that we once were) 'cause it never did me any harm ...

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smaller younger players would have no problem playing senior football if someone bothered to teach them to pass the ball. There's nothing like tho old 1-2 to save yourself from being crunched or even better, passing to a team mate. Now if that ever caught on in local football.....

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Crazy-Horse wrote:

The revision of Capital Football's rules prior to the start of this season saw a new regulation 2.3.2 which was approved by the clubs. This brought in to local leagues the rule that had been in the Central League for 1 (or 2) seasons.

"No player under the age of 14 years at the first of January each year may
compete in any Capital Football senior competitions."

However, clubs are choosing to blatantly ignore this, despite it having been brought to their attention in detail by a series of emails to all club contacts.
Capital Football are choosing to ignore the enforcement of the regulation, until a club protests.
Capital Football have accepted registrations of players who are clearly in breech of this age limit

Why the hell arent they enforcing the rule?

What evidence is there of the points you describe?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Porirua City womens team is a balance of experienced players with senior students (Years 11-13). The rule is that youngsters must be seniors at College, below that is too young in my view. Other teams seem to have a similar view with similar balances.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Browner_ wrote:

Why the hell arent they enforcing the rule?

What evidence is there of the points you describe?

You would have to ask the Administration team at Capital Football about the first point!

The second can be proved quite independently of anything I say with their own data. The registration database (which contains all senior players' dates of birth), and the team cards, which in theory, has the names of every player.

Crazy-Horse2008-06-09 07:30:27

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SportZone wrote:

Smaller younger players would have no problem playing senior football if someone bothered to teach them to pass the ball. There's nothing like tho old 1-2 to save yourself from being crunched or even better, passing to a team mate. Now if that ever caught on in local football.....

Why don't you call it "Little Passers" instead of "Little Dribblers" then Tony?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

DKP22 wrote:

If you are good enough, you are old enough.

yea i agree with this

play hard against them by all means but maybe hold back on the axing

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i remember when i was 13th grade our goalie arama from mana reps trained with wests firsts... at training matt wilson competes for the ball and knees arama in the head, arama in hospital for months fractured skull - 2 metal plates. has never played soccer since.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

freak accident .....

but u hav to ask yourself is a 13 goal keeper good enough to play or train with wests ?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yeah of course freak accident.

why was a 13 y/o training with wests firsts?? hindsights a wonderfull thing but friggin stupid, lets hope same thing never happens hagain and clubs can be more patient and develop them in the younger grades.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think the concept of Dribbling comes before the concept of Passing especially when you are 3years old. Some of the Dribblers who have graduated to Club football (6th Grade) are onto passing now. Hence the 18 - 0 thrashings they hand out to other 6th grade teams.
It's not a very catchy name either.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I was joking...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's not a joking matter even though NZ football is now ranked at 88th.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The big question is that physical development. Just because you're big doesn't always mean that the body's growth is complete. Speaking to a physio this morning I said to him would you let thirteen year olds play? His reply was an emphatic no.

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If I listened to a physio I would never get to play.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think that when players hit around 15/16 they can start to match it with the men. WC 1st XI won the Hilton Petone Div2 title this year with a team made up of mostly 6th formers. We were knocked around a bit at times, but when you pass and move the ball quickly, older players can't keep up (sorry guys). It worked for us- play the ball around with one or two touch football. Stops the players from getting nailed in big challenges. I think playing mens football also helps players development, I'm more physical than I used to be and it shows, winning 50/50 balls and not letting strikers push me around, even gets to a stage where they get subbed off because they can't do anything.

Sure 14/15 may be to young but if you play intelligently then you should be all right, why would you give your mate a pass that he's just going to get clobbered from????

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Julius Kolk played a couple of National League (or whatever it was called then) games for Nelson aged 14 and didn't look out of place....he went on to represent NZ at the 1999 under-17 World Cup.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's not that they look out of place, or that they can't manage the physicallity of it, but there is a huge mental gap between even college first XI's and mens. In our chatham cup game against Marist we could match them physically and skill wise, some would argue we were better skilled. But they had a mental edge over us, they mind games that they played which we weren't used to.

That is what people have been saying, with experience at men's or women's level football you get used to the complete picture, mental physical and skill sides of the game

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i think it only gets hard when the oppistion is REALLY big. you just got to have balls to handle there pushing shoving and etc and the best way to get them back is two score a goal :)

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Personally I disagree, i think it's the mental side but that's my P.O.V. if your big then it doesn't matter the pushing etc cause you shove back

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It's not about being big or small it's about where your physical development is. Bodies need time to grow!

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

dairyflat wrote:

The big question is that physical development. Just because you're big doesn't always mean that the body's growth is complete. Speaking to a physio this morning I said to him would you let thirteen year olds play? His reply was an emphatic no.

I dont understand where you are coming from??

Size does matter in my opinion but only a little bit (no pun intended) ... Its a mental thing upstairs...

I thought you were a stop out supporter? Ive seen you at games this year... Are you saying those younger guys down there shouldnt be playing senior football? If you had not noticed they are not the tallest of 15 year olds... Where would they go if not senior football? they would take the piss out of the other players in JPL and College grade there not learning anything and some of them are still possibly too good for that grade...

The only thing i strongly agree with you is that 13 years old is to young to play senior football thats ridiculous...

I strongly agree with nightz about physios... lol

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

reefside wrote:

dairyflat wrote:

The big question is that physical development. Just because you're big doesn't always mean that the body's growth is complete. Speaking to a physio this morning I said to him would you let thirteen year olds play? His reply was an emphatic no.

The only thing i strongly agree with you is that 13 years old is to young to play senior football thats ridiculous...

I strongly agree with nightz about physios... lol

There are at least 9 girls who have legally played for me in Junior 11th Grade in 2006 or 12th Grade in 2007 , who have played in Woman's Football in 2008. This makes these girls under the age that Capital Football have in the Regulations.

Is it good for their bodies. The evidence suggests otherwise (despite people online opinions of physios)
Is it good for Woman's football - I don't believe so.
Will it be good for the game's image when one of these has a bad accident, and some journo finds out that they are playing against the rules that CF brought in to protect them?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

As I have said before I think seniors only years 11-13. Clubs should follow that and not fill up womens teams with year 9 and 10 girls. I dont think that is good for anyone.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'd even push that to say Yr12-13 only, but not just women's, mens too

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

SportZone wrote:

Smaller younger players would have no problem playing senior football if someone bothered to teach them to pass the ball. There's nothing like tho old 1-2 to save yourself from being crunched or even better, passing to a team mate. Now if that ever caught on in local football.....

Why don't you call it "Little Passers" instead of "Little Dribblers" then Tony?

Excellent point - both of you! But each little one is the next Cristiano Ronaldo in their head, though not often in their feet..

Mr Blobby2008-06-20 17:40:23

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I see Mr Palmer recently put out a massive missive which included the following passage...

"Age restriction - the Capital Football Regulations state that:
"No player under the age of 14 years at the first of January each year may compete in any Capital Football senior competitions". This applies to both men's and women's leagues. If a team breaches this regulation they will forfeit any points gained in the match and be fined $50 for each under-age player."

1) If under-age players, particularly girls, are registered in the Capital Football database with correct Dates of Birth. (I'm told they are)

and

2) These players are appearing on team cards as having played (I'm told they are)

then why are CF not enforcing this rule, instead preferring to wait till the opposition team makes a complaint (which so far apparently hasn't happened)?

Crazy-Horse2008-07-20 19:12:55

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mainland have strict rules regarding ages of players, over 14 for girls and over 16 for boys. You can apply for dispensation in either case with the support of the players parents and an independent assessment from a Mainland staff coach. This must be done prior to the season commencing. 2 senior womens teams were fined (Avon and Coastal Spirit) and the result turned into a 3 - 0 loss for both of them (go figure?) when they played players against each other outside of this regulation earlier this season. Even though both players in question had been granted dispensation the previous season.

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I played a couple of National League games when I was 6, and it never did me any harm.

Note - is being a ball-boy playing?

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

I played a couple of National League games when I was 6, and it never did me any harm.

Note - is being a ball-boy playing?

Only if the balls you kicked weren't your own

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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