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Posted November 02, 2024 01:43 · last edited November 02, 2024 01:54

coochiee
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A 10 team A1 league would be so dumb, 18 game season? Or we go back to the horrible ol days of playing some teams 3 times. Top tier needs to be 16 teams minimum, then you can have as many teams in the lower tiers with pro/rel for the top/bottom 2 or 3

Or 27 game season playing each team 3x.

Or season starts with some sort of pre season comp like a League Cup pool format that adds an extra 7-9 weeks to the season. Then your 18 game H&A regular season.

The A1/A2 split model apparently mimics how Japan grew it's football pyramid into the current J1, J2 & J3 structure.

I'm guessing for a popn base of about 30M (NZ & Australia combined), plus it being a highly competetitive sposrts market (AFL, NRL, Super Rugby) having 20 professional financially viable club teams is already pushing the envelope. I mean we are only at 13 now, and Canberra is struggling to get going to make it 14. Football Australia saying the NST can't yet go to a full season model with all the travel costs etc.

If you have 16 teams alone in the top tier, you just have too many clubs when you also have a 2nd tier. The 2nd tier clubs have to be fully professional, financially strong etc so they can be promoted.

I think the long term 20 team model (A1 & A2) could work, but it will take time to get there. However you structure that model to give each team say 26-27 regular season games ain't so important. It's far more important to have a model where all the teams are financially viable, if you introduce pro/rel. I think that means 20 teams absolute max with 2 divisions & pro/rel.

Personally I'd much prefer a single league with 18 stable teams, who needs pro relegation if it's gonna mean an unbalanced home and away schedule, adding to the travel costs etc. Even number of teams, play each other home and away. 10 teams is 18 games which is too small which is why they had the 27 game seasons and played each other 3 times in previous years. 14 teams is 26 games which is decent, 16 teams across NZ and Aus would give a 30 game season ehich would be perfectly valid! All you need then is 3 more teams, two if Canberra arrives, 1 more to fine if Chch is considered.

Besides all that, who of the current 13 are going to move into the A2 league without a fight?

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coochiee
theprof
A 10 team A1 league would be so dumb, 18 game season? Or we go back to the horrible ol days of playing some teams 3 times. Top tier needs to be 16 teams minimum, then you can have as many teams in the lower tiers with pro/rel for the top/bottom 2 or 3

Or 27 game season playing each team 3x.

Or season starts with some sort of pre season comp like a League Cup pool format that adds an extra 7-9 weeks to the season. Then your 18 game H&A regular season.

The A1/A2 split model apparently mimics how Japan grew it's football pyramid into the current J1, J2 & J3 structure.

I'm guessing for a popn base of about 30M (NZ & Australia combined), plus it being a highly competetitive sposrts market (AFL, NRL, Super Rugby) having 20 professional financially viable club teams is already pushing the envelope. I mean we are only at 13 now, and Canberra is struggling to get going to make it 14. Football Australia saying the NST can't yet go to a full season model with all the travel costs etc.

If you have 16 teams alone in the top tier, you just have too many clubs when you also have a 2nd tier. The 2nd tier clubs have to be fully professional, financially strong etc so they can be promoted.

I think the long term 20 team model (A1 & A2) could work, but it will take time to get there. However you structure that model to give each team say 26-27 regular season games ain't so important. It's far more important to have a model where all the teams are financially viable, if you introduce pro/rel. I think that means 20 teams absolute max with 2 divisions & pro/rel.

Personally I'd much prefer a single league with 18 stable teams, who needs pro relegation if it's gonna mean an unbalanced home and away schedule, adding to the travel costs etc. Even number of teams, play each other home and away. 10 teams is 18 games which is too small which is why they had the 27 game seasons and played each other 3 times in previous years. 14 teams is 26 games which is decent, 16 teams across NZ and Aus would give a 30 game season ehich would be perfectly valid! All you need then is 3 more teams, two if Canberra arrives, 1 more to fine if Chch is considered.
Unknown editor edited November 02, 2024 01:44
coochiee
theprof
A 10 team A1 league would be so dumb, 18 game season? Or we go back to the horrible ol days of playing some teams 3 times. Top tier needs to be 16 teams minimum, then you can have as many teams in the lower tiers with pro/rel for the top/bottom 2 or 3

Or 27 game season playing each team 3x.

Or season starts with some sort of pre season comp like a League Cup pool format that adds an extra 7-9 weeks to the season. Then your 18 game H&A regular season.

The A1/A2 split model apparently mimics how Japan grew it's football pyramid into the current J1, J2 & J3 structure.

I'm guessing for a popn base of about 30M (NZ & Australia combined), plus it being a highly competetitive sposrts market (AFL, NRL, Super Rugby) having 20 professional financially viable club teams is already pushing the envelope. I mean we are only at 13 now, and Canberra is struggling to get going to make it 14. Football Australia saying the NST can't yet go to a full season model with all the travel costs etc.

If you have 16 teams alone in the top tier, you just have too many clubs when you also have a 2nd tier. The 2nd tier clubs have to be fully professional, financially strong etc so they can be promoted.

I think the long term 20 team model (A1 & A2) could work, but it will take time to get there. However you structure that model to give each team say 26-27 regular season games ain't so important. It's far more important to have a model where all the teams are financially viable, if you introduce pro/rel. I think that means 20 teams absolute max with 2 divisions & pro/rel.

Personally I'd much prefer a single league with 18 stable teams, who need pro relegation if it's gonna mean an unbalanced home and away schedule, adding to the travel costs etc. Even number of teams, play each other home and away. 10 teams is 18 games which is too small which is why they had the 27 game seasons and played each other 3 times in previous years. 14 teams is 26 games which is decent, 16 teams across NZ and Aus would give a 30 game season ehich would be perfectly valid! All you need then is 3 more teams, two if Canberra arrives, 1 more to fine if Chch is considered.