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Posted September 12, 2015 13:47 · last edited September 12, 2015 13:50

Ryan wrote:

martinb wrote:

Huh. Kiwis getting angry about closed shop. Fudgeing hilarious. The only closed shop that exists in NZ is this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c... 

total union control.

In the mean time can we get back to dying at our work places  in the line of our work and becoming independent contractors without sick pay or holiday pay so the boss will hire us without worrying about the insanely theoretical possibility of a closed shop? 

Yes some actors have a closed shop, where in other countries (like grovelling NZ) every New Zealander on a film or TV set has been instantly deemed to be a contractor (next to their American and British unionised stars) so can't unionise. Don't worry! No one is going to force you to negotiate from a position of strength for better conditions in NZ!

Wharfies are a closed shop.

Unions had their place in the past a bit likew religion, which forced morals on people. Society has moved on. Because of the unions we have better employment laws, their jobs are done. Now they just promote bad behavior on the part of the employee.

phew.

Also you missed out- weekends, holidays, sick pay etc etc. 

Society has moved on. We now have zero hours contracts. You can't work for anyone else, but you don't get any work this week. 

Do you also think we live in a post-war era, so we don't need armies? Or a post-democracy era so we don't need voting? 

It's a constant struggle, usually just to keep what we have. Like a guaranteed day off at Easter and Christmas at the same time as the rest of the family.

Tauranga isn't that closed a shop I don't think:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/258098/port...

To be fair I'm not from the unionised generation, I'm from the employment contract acts generation. But what I'm saying is any fears of union power in NZ are having a laugh. I don't think society has moved on, but conditions have been and are being weakened all the time.

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martinb edited September 12, 2015 13:50
Ryan wrote:
martinb wrote:

Huh. Kiwis getting angry about closed shop. Fudgeing hilarious. The only closed shop that exists in NZ is this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c... 

total union control.

In the mean time can we get back to dying at our work places  in the line of our work and becoming independent contractors without sick pay or holiday pay so the boss will hire us without worrying about the insanely theoretical possibility of a closed shop? 

Yes some actors have a closed shop, where in other countries (like grovelling NZ) every New Zealander on a film or TV set has been instantly deemed to be a contractor (next to their American and British unionised stars) so can't unionise. Don't worry! No one is going to force you to negotiate from a position of strength for better conditions in NZ!

Wharfies are a closed shop.

Unions had their place in the past a bit likew religion, which forced morals on people. Society has moved on. Because of the unions we have better employment laws, their jobs are done. Now they just promote bad behavior on the part of the employee.

phew.

Also you missed out- weekends, holidays, sick pay etc etc. 

Society has moved on. We now have zero hours contracts. You can't work for anyone else, but you don't get any work this week. 

Do you also think we live in a post-war era, so we don't need armies? Or a post-democracy era so we don't need voting? 

It's a constant struggle, usually just to keep what we have. Like a guaranteed day off at Easter and Christmas at the same time as the rest of the family.

Tauranga isn't that closed a shop I don't think:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/258098/port...

To be fair I'm not from the unionised generation, I'm from the employment contract acts generation. But what I'm saying is any fears of union power in NZ are having a laugh. I don't think society has moved on, but conditions are being weakened all the time.