So this will be very interesting to watch, as it affects the Nix as well as the rest of the league/Socceroos/Matildas
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-...
Could be a negotiating tactic, but will have to see what comes of it all.
This will not end well.
A lot of unhappy people and appears the FFA and PFA are talking to each other through press releases at the moment.
Just when you thought Australian football was less shambolic than New Zealand football.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
It's a bluddy good contest to be fair.
Don't forget they also have the NCIP too...
I see your press release and raise you with another press release.
From the FFA http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-st...
Well, it won't matter if Ernie can't find a gun striker if the league gets called off this year anyway.
Damn reading that, the FFA's apology made them look like the ones you should sympathize with.
I kind of feel like the A-League should be a separate beast to the FFA that only worries about whats best for the league.
Two Words:
David Gallop
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
Kotahitanga. We are one.
10 HAL clubs have today rejected the PFA's demand for an extra $3 million in salary payments http://t.co/pDcvFeHZR1 pic.twitter.com/P43ASDGjjp
— Hyundai A-League (@ALeague) September 9, 2015
Kotahitanga. We are one.
Different sport I know, but something similar is happening in League
Question: Are there too many players tied up with the PFA? Or could they feasibly play the first rounds of games without them?
Question: Are there too many players tied up with the PFA? Or could they feasibly play the first rounds of games without them?
Wouldn't it be all players? Although as the pod said the Phoenix are dual represented. Maybe the Phoenix players can turn up and we win the first few rounds be default. We'll need the head start based on our pre-season so far.
Question: Are there too many players tied up with the PFA? Or could they feasibly play the first rounds of games without them?
Wouldn't it be all players? Although as the pod said the Phoenix are dual represented. Maybe the Phoenix players can turn up and we win the first few rounds be default. We'll need the head start based on our pre-season so far.
So players have to be members of the PFA to play in the A League?
I assumed it was like a union where you joined if you wanted and so players wouldn't necessarily be unable to play because of the shart fight.
Question: Are there too many players tied up with the PFA? Or could they feasibly play the first rounds of games without them?
Wouldn't it be all players? Although as the pod said the Phoenix are dual represented. Maybe the Phoenix players can turn up and we win the first few rounds be default. We'll need the head start based on our pre-season so far.
So players have to be members of the PFA to play in the A League?
I assumed it was like a union where you joined if you wanted and so players wouldn't necessarily be unable to play because of the shart fight.
I'd imagine that the FFA and the clubs have agreements with the PFA about who they can and cannot play. But that is just a guess.
You don't have to be a PFA member to play in the A-League.
Most of the players are though.
Kiwi players also have a Kiwi PFA which negotiates on their behalf with NZF.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Is Unionism compulsory in Australia?
Some industries, like the film industry in the US, won't hire non union labour, there are agreements between the studios and the unions, and also the unions themselves will act aggresively to protect their turf.
Time for some clarity from the FFA
Is Unionism compulsory in Australia?
Some industries, like the film industry in the US, won't hire non union labour, there are agreements between the studios and the unions, and also the unions themselves will act aggresively to protect their turf.
Got to love discrimination...
While I'm not sure whether the PFA's demands are reasonable here, I am a strong defender of the "closed shop" model where owners and unions can agree to hire only union labour. What is "discrimination", not giving employers the right to undercut standard rates of pay?
While I'm not sure whether the PFA's demands are reasonable here, I am a strong defender of the "closed shop" model where owners and unions can agree to hire only union labour. What is "discrimination", not giving employers the right to undercut standard rates of pay?
Perhaps the inability to work in your chosen field without having to belong to another organisation?
Huh. Kiwis getting angry about closed shop. Fudgeing hilarious. The only closed shop that exists in NZ is this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
total union control.
In the mean time can we get back to dying at our work places in the line of our work and becoming independent contractors without sick pay or holiday pay so the boss will hire us without worrying about the insanely theoretical possibility of a closed shop?
Yes some actors have a closed shop, where in other countries (like grovelling NZ) every New Zealander on a film or TV set has been instantly deemed to be a contractor (next to their American and British unionised stars) so can't unionise. Don't worry! No one is going to force you to negotiate from a position of strength for better conditions in NZ!
Anyway, that's off topic.
What's Gallop earn? Seems like they are still some distance from a settlement.
Same old A league. Needs more Clive Palmer.
Huh. Kiwis getting angry about closed shop. Fudgeing hilarious. The only closed shop that exists in NZ is this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
total union control.
In the mean time can we get back to dying at our work places in the line of our work and becoming independent contractors without sick pay or holiday pay so the boss will hire us without worrying about the insanely theoretical possibility of a closed shop?
Yes some actors have a closed shop, where in other countries (like grovelling NZ) every New Zealander on a film or TV set has been instantly deemed to be a contractor (next to their American and British unionised stars) so can't unionise. Don't worry! No one is going to force you to negotiate from a position of strength for better conditions in NZ!
Wharfies are a closed shop.
Unions had their place in the past a bit likew religion, which forced morals on people. Society has moved on. Because of the unions we have better employment laws, their jobs are done. Now they just promote bad behavior on the part of the employee.
Huh. Kiwis getting angry about closed shop. Fudgeing hilarious. The only closed shop that exists in NZ is this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
total union control.
In the mean time can we get back to dying at our work places in the line of our work and becoming independent contractors without sick pay or holiday pay so the boss will hire us without worrying about the insanely theoretical possibility of a closed shop?
Yes some actors have a closed shop, where in other countries (like grovelling NZ) every New Zealander on a film or TV set has been instantly deemed to be a contractor (next to their American and British unionised stars) so can't unionise. Don't worry! No one is going to force you to negotiate from a position of strength for better conditions in NZ!
Wharfies are a closed shop.
Unions had their place in the past a bit likew religion, which forced morals on people. Society has moved on. Because of the unions we have better employment laws, their jobs are done. Now they just promote bad behavior on the part of the employee.
phew.
Also you missed out- weekends, holidays, sick pay etc etc.
Society has moved on. We now have zero hours contracts. You can't work for anyone else, but you don't get any work this week.
Do you also think we live in a post-war era, so we don't need armies? Or a post-democracy era so we don't need voting?
It's a constant struggle, usually just to keep what we have. Like a guaranteed day off at Easter and Christmas at the same time as the rest of the family.
Tauranga isn't that closed a shop I don't think:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/258098/port...
To be fair I'm not from the unionised generation, I'm from the employment contract acts generation. But what I'm saying is any fears of union power in NZ are having a laugh. I don't think society has moved on, but conditions have been and are being weakened all the time.
For example- de-unionising through the use of sub-contracting results in statements like this:
"But Port Nelson chief executive Martin Byrne said the use of certain contractors can threaten safety standards.
"You can obviously spend a lot of time with your own staff on health and safety and go through procedures, but when you have third party people coming in who are operating within your area, to some degree you are reliant on how those companies operate as well."
I hate political discussions on here because both sides usually reveal their massive ignorance, something I'd rather not know about either myself or my fellow YFers.
Anyway! You really think Welnix would quit if a strike breaks out? How about if it just ends up in the situation we have for the Socceroos/Matildas, refusing to do any marketing/promo work?
