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Posted December 18, 2023 05:31 · last edited December 18, 2023 05:47

Footy_Fella
I don't think a boutique football stadium would find itself in direct competition with a BC Place style lower tier all that much.

Foley's estimate for his stadium was 18,500. Wikipedia lists the BC Place lower tier capacity at nearly 28,000. Too big for the A-League, too big for NPC, too big for Chatham Cup finals etc.. In this senario it looks like Mt Smart and a national stadium would be the ones competing with eachother.
Eden Park can't afford to lose the Blues. If EP is knocked down and replaced by a downtown waterfront stadium of similar 50,000 capacity, the new stadium owners (sounds like it's favoured it would mostly be a private investment model having to fund itself with as many days booked as possible) - will want as many tenants & events as possible. So they will want the Blues, Warriors & Auckland FC. The Auckland NPC team they won't care, the NPC crowds these days are too small be to important.

If any new Stadium lower tier is 25,000 but Auckland FC crowds only average 15,000 that won't matter. What will matter to all the stakeholders is Auckland FC are a valuable paying tenant of the new stadium.

I'm sure all of this is being explained to Foley. As much as he might like a more boutique 25,000 capacity stadium - he's likely being told that in the better interests of NZ as a whole a 50,000 capacity stadium similar to a BC Place is realistically the best option. Of course he may just say fudge it I'm a billionaire I'll build what I want, but that approach would piss off sectors of the Auckland community.

A downtown 18,500 rectangle ground in Auckland, as well as a centrally based profitable 50,000 National Stadium (Eden Park or wherever) would be great. But unfortunately the former puts the latter at risk of being a 'white elephant'.

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Unknown editor edited December 18, 2023 05:47
Footy_Fella
I don't think a boutique football stadium would find itself in direct competition with a BC Place style lower tier all that much.

Foley's estimate for his stadium was 18,500. Wikipedia lists the BC Place lower tier capacity at nearly 28,000. Too big for the A-League, too big for NPC, too big for Chatham Cup finals etc.. In this senario it looks like Mt Smart and a national stadium would be the ones competing with eachother.
Eden Park can't afford to lose the Blues. If EP is knocked down and replaced by a downtown waterfront stadium of similar 50,000 capacity, the new stadium owners (sounds like it's favoured it would mostly be a private investment model having to fund itself with as many days booked as possible) - will want as many tenants & events as possible. So they will want the Blues, Warriors & Auckland FC. The Auckland NPC team they won't care, the NPC crowds these days are too small be to important.

If any new Stadium lower tier is 25,000 but Auckland FC crowds only average 15,000 that won't matter. What will matter to all the stakeholders is Auckland FC are a valuable paying tenant of the new stadium.

I'm sure all of this is being explained to Foley. As much as he might like a more boutique 25,000 capacity stadium - he's likely being told that in the better interests of NZ as a whole a 50,000 capacity stadium similar to a BC Place is realistically the best option. Of course he may just say fudge it I'm a billionaire I'll build what I want, but that approach would piss off sectors of the Auckland community.

A downtown 18,500 rectangle ground in Auckland, as well as a centrally based profitable 50,000 stadium (Eden Park or wherever) would be great. But unfortunately the former puts the latter at risk of being a 'white elephant'.
Unknown editor edited December 18, 2023 05:46
Footy_Fella
I don't think a boutique football stadium would find itself in direct competition with a BC Place style lower tier all that much.

Foley's estimate for his stadium was 18,500. Wikipedia lists the BC Place lower tier capacity at nearly 28,000. Too big for the A-League, too big for NPC, too big for Chatham Cup finals etc.. In this senario it looks like Mt Smart and a national stadium would be the ones competing with eachother.
Eden Park can't afford to lose the Blues. If EP is knocked down and replaced by a downtown waterfront stadium of similar 50,000 capacity, the new stadium owners (sounds like it's favoured it would mostly be a private investment model having to fund itself with as many days booked as possible) - will want as many tenants & events as possible. So they will want the Blues, Warriors & Auckland FC. The Auckland NPC team they won't care, the NPC crowds these days are too small be to important.

If any new Stadium lower tier is 25,000 but Auckland FC crowds only average 15,000 that won't matter. What will matter to all the stakeholders is Auckland FC are a valuable paying tenant of the new stadium.

I'm sure all of this is being explained to Foley. As much as he might like a more boutique 25,000 capacity stadium - he's likely being told that in the better interests of NZ as a whole a 50,000 capacity stadium similar to a BC Place is realistically the best option. Of course he may just say fudge it I'm a billionaire I'll build what I want, but that approach would piss off sectors of the Auckland community.

A downtown 18,500 rectangle ground in Auckland, as well as a centrally based profiotable 50,000 stadium (EP or wherever) would be great. But unfortunately the former puts the latter at risk of being a 'white elephant'.
Unknown editor edited December 18, 2023 05:46
Footy_Fella
I don't think a boutique football stadium would find itself in direct competition with a BC Place style lower tier all that much.

Foley's estimate for his stadium was 18,500. Wikipedia lists the BC Place lower tier capacity at nearly 28,000. Too big for the A-League, too big for NPC, too big for Chatham Cup finals etc.. In this senario it looks like Mt Smart and a national stadium would be the ones competing with eachother.
Eden Park can't afford to lose the Blues. If EP is knocked down and replaced by a downtown waterfront stadium of similar 50,000 capacity, the new stadium owners (sounds like it's favoured it would mostly be a private investment model having to fund itself with as many days booked as possible) - will want as many tenants & events as possible. So they will want the Blues, Warriors & Auckland FC. The Auckland NPC team they won't care, the NPC crowds these days are too small be to important.

If any new Stadium lower tier is 25,000 but Auckland FC crowds only average 15,000 that won't matter. What will matter to all the stakeholders is Auckland FC are a valuable paying tenant of the new stadium.

I'm sure all of this is being explained to Foley. As much as he might like a more boutique 25,000 capacity stadium - he's likely being told that in the better interests of NZ as a whole a 50,000 capacity stadium similar to a BC Place is realistically the best option. Of course he may just say fudge it I'm a billionaire I'll build what I want, but that approach would piss off sectors of the Auckland community.