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Lonegunmen wrote:

Aim for the top and try to suceed there. I know the PC thing is "To take part" but we want to adopt the "We desperately want to win this competition" mentality.  almost a "Take no prisoners" mentality. You want to be a winner, 2nd is not an alternative.


I am not a fan of Kevin Muscat, by a long shot, but he oozes exactly that mentality. None of that 'Mr. Nice Guy' bullshit there.
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Mainland FC wrote:
Fitzy wrote:

Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal. 


A question for the statistically-minded then:
In all A-League seasons with playoffs (to date), what was the best playoff performance ever achieved by a team placed 6th at the end of the regular league rounds? In other words, which team was it and how far did they get?

If the answer is that the best anybody ever got was winning the first elimination round but no further, finishing sixth is still not good enough.
No one outside the top 3 has ever made a Grand Final. Personally I would say top 4 should be your goal every season, get that home play off game.


My point exactly, thank you.
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Mainland FC wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Aim for the top and try to suceed there. I know the PC thing is "To take part" but we want to adopt the "We desperately want to win this competition" mentality.  almost a "Take no prisoners" mentality. You want to be a winner, 2nd is not an alternative.


I am not a fan of Kevin Muscat, by a long shot, but he oozes exactly that mentality. None of that 'Mr. Nice Guy' bullshit there.
 

To be fair, when he is constrained to the sideline and isn't kicking/shoving/being a cheating twit in general he is a bit more likeable, and gives good interviews. More entertainment, less ruining of games and injuring players.

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2ndBest wrote:

Out of interest, how do you measure ambition?


Hard to measure, but I think it's something you can demonstrate.  For example, when Riera got injured a team that was ambitious would have really looked hard to replace him with a similar or even better player in the hope of pushing on at a time when we had form and momentum.  We looked within the squad (plus took the chance to trial some cheap local signings), possibly due to financial constraints, and predictably stalled.  That to me demonstrated a clear lack of ambition.  

I think we're clearly putting together a squad to compete, not to win the league - that demonstrates a lack of ambition.  

I think they've accepted that our crowds will be within the 6-9000 bracket and they are managing the club accordingly, some may consider that realistic but I do think that's fairly unambitious. 

All of our owners goals for the club are off field stuff to do with finances and breaking even, that may be understandable but to me demonstrates a lack of ambition.

I think both the Football United tour and the Petone project are ambitious projects but they're all off field stuff.  I would love to know whether we have a plan to win the league in the next 5 years - I just cannot see one.  If we have another season outside the playoffs and Heart go on to with the new Man City money that makes us the least successful team in the competition by my reckoning.
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I think you're just being overly negative based on nothing to be honest. 

I've seen clear signs that we're heading in the right direction on the field, including an ambitious change in our style of play and our coach (who has previously won the league). Plus some very ambitious moves off the field. 

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Oska wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Aim for the top and try to suceed there. I know the PC thing is "To take part" but we want to adopt the "We desperately want to win this competition" mentality.  almost a "Take no prisoners" mentality. You want to be a winner, 2nd is not an alternative.


I am not a fan of Kevin Muscat, by a long shot, but he oozes exactly that mentality. None of that 'Mr. Nice Guy' bullshit there.
 

To be fair, when he is constrained to the sideline and isn't kicking/shoving/being a cheating twit in general he is a bit more likeable, and gives good interviews. More entertainment, less ruining of games and injuring players.

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That gif actually makes me ill.

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Marto wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
f.barisi wrote:

and no thanks to musa - looks like footballer...but isnt really.


Disagree. Expect another A-League club to pick him up in the next season or so


He was pretty good when I watched him play for Hereford.

"Moo ...sa!!!!"

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james dean wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Out of interest, how do you measure ambition?


Hard to measure, but I think it's something you can demonstrate.  For example, when Riera got injured a team that was ambitious would have really looked hard to replace him with a similar or even better player in the hope of pushing on at a time when we had form and momentum.  We looked within the squad (plus took the chance to trial some cheap local signings), possibly due to financial constraints, and predictably stalled.  That to me demonstrated a clear lack of ambition.  

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Terrible example. You can only have an injury replacement player on at most the same wage as the player they are replacing. 
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Bullion wrote:
james dean wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Out of interest, how do you measure ambition?


Hard to measure, but I think it's something you can demonstrate.  For example, when Riera got injured a team that was ambitious would have really looked hard to replace him with a similar or even better player in the hope of pushing on at a time when we had form and momentum.  We looked within the squad (plus took the chance to trial some cheap local signings), possibly due to financial constraints, and predictably stalled.  That to me demonstrated a clear lack of ambition.  

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Terrible example. You can only have an injury replacement player on at most the same wage as the player they are replacing. 

Krishna for Ifill is the one he probably wanted to use. Ernie has said he doesnt see the point in loaning in players, so it was always going to be hard to find someone on a 6 month deal to replace Iffy.
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Oska wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Aim for the top and try to suceed there. I know the PC thing is "To take part" but we want to adopt the "We desperately want to win this competition" mentality.  almost a "Take no prisoners" mentality. You want to be a winner, 2nd is not an alternative.


I am not a fan of Kevin Muscat, by a long shot, but he oozes exactly that mentality. None of that 'Mr. Nice Guy' bullshit there.
 

To be fair, when he is constrained to the sideline and isn't kicking/shoving/being a cheating twit in general he is a bit more likeable, and gives good interviews. More entertainment, less ruining of games and injuring players.

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james dean wrote:
Fitzy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Blew.2 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:

Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.

These are the guys running our club. FFS.

Saidknee know the real truth. 5th is as good as 9th if you don't win your knock out playoff game. 


Sorry but that is complete BS - if we'd finished 5th we'd have won a hell of a lot more games, which would have been a much more enjoyable season as a fan.  


The target of "making the playoffs" is a complete cop out - finishing 6th and in the bottom half is not a good season.  We need to aim a lot higher, we need a plan for how we're going to win the competition because in a 10 team salary capped league if you're not trying to win why are you even competing?  There is a lack of ambition on the pitch which is dragging the club down off it


This isn't about marquees either, it's about putting together a team with the AIM of winning the comp, not with the AIM of finishing 6th - the two are very different and you'll target different players.  


Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal. 


Do you see a plan to win the competition?  That to me means finishing top 2 over the league season.  I think we've got some things right but I also think it's pretty clear our ambition is to finish 5th/6th and reality is we're quite a long way behind the top sides over a season, even though we can compete in one off games.  


I think that shows in the complete lack of concern over finishing 9th this season by the club - if you thought you could win the league then finishing 9th is a disaster.  If all you're trying to do is sneak into the playoffs and you miss out then you're not that concerned are you, which seems to be the state of affairs right now.  I do think that's a problem for attracting fans and players - we do completely lack ambition.

 

I reckon this is probably a little bit too far towards the doom end of the spectrum.

I think it became very apparent very early this season that we didn't have a squad capable of winning the league, and everyone adjusted their horizons accordingly. I don't think it's therefore reasonable to say that we don't have aspirations to do better than 6th.

At a minimum, I think Ernie does. And really, that's Ernie's job. The club's owners set the parameters (no bonus salary/marquee money etc etc) and charge Ernie with going out and delivering.
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We may be slightly moving in the right direction, but one league placing per year is not really enough is it?

Personally think we have priorities a little wrong. All very well taking months and months to get EPL teams here but I'd take a few good signings and a much better 2014-15 season as a result over 2 pre season friendlies.

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The 2 aren't really mutually exclusive are they? We aren't getting the EPL teams over here to the detriment of the squad, if anything it (very loosely) helps. 

It would've been very interesting to see where we ended up if we didn't get killed by injuries. We were talking about being one of the top teams in the comp until that happened. If that isn't a step in the right direction after last season I don't quite know what is? 

And just to take an earlier point, We were never realistically going to pick up an ifill on a 6 month injury replacement so to say the fact we didn't do so shows a lack of ambition is pretty unfair. I thought Krishna was actually one of our better players toward the end of the season, and if he isn't an import next season he is a great pick up and shows the style of football we will be looking to play going forward. 

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Steve-O wrote:

We may be slightly moving in the right direction, but one league placing per year is not really enough is it?

Personally think we have priorities a little wrong. All very well taking months and months to get EPL teams here but I'd take a few good signings and a much better 2014-15 season as a result over 2 pre season friendlies.

Rob Morrison said Merrick was in negotiations to secure a new striker, a box-to-box midfielder, and "probably another defender". There is no evidence that securing the BPL friendlies has been the sole focus of the club.

We (probably) have all 5 visa spots filled, so that leaves Aussie/NZ options. These are the domestic A-League off contract players:

Adelaide: Barker-Daish, Bowles, Kamara, McKain
Roar: Acton, Diogo Ferreira
CCM: Pasfield, Brett Griffiths, Bosnar, Simon
Heart: Mitchinson, Retre, Vranković, Walker
Victory: Traoré
Jets: Brown, Carney, Gibbs, Joel Griffiths, Mitchell, Ward
Glory: Smeltz, Zahra
Sydney: Chianese, Garcia, Jurman, Mallia, Necevski, Powell, Matt Thompson, Warren
WSW: Beauchamp, D'Apuzzo, Golec, Heffernan, Minniecon, Špiranović, Topor-Stanley, Jason Trifiro, Tyson.

Also rumours of Carl Valeri & Christian Esposito coming back from Italy.
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Tegal wrote:

I think you're just being overly negative based on nothing to be honest. 



Ladies and gentlemen, this forum summed up in a single, pithy sentence.

Seriously: if JD could see Welnix/Ernie's plan to win the league in 5 years, so could everyone else, and counteract it, so it'd be a pretty shithouse plan.
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I HOPE the 2 things aren't mutually exclusive, I just worry we've blown a large chunk of budget that could've gone towards wages (marquee or not).

Time will tell!

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The FFA effectively pay the salary cap. I imagine welnix would have set aside enough $ in the budget to pay the players wages up to the salary cap. At least you'd hope so!

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Well then it becomes a debate about marquee again - I'd rather have a marquee (not just a 'name' but someone who could genuinely make a difference) than a friendly. Given the choice anyway, realise it's probably not that simple.

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I also assume we are set to make some $ or break even on these friendlies, otherwise I doubt welnix would bother. 

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Steve-O wrote:

I HOPE the 2 things aren't mutually exclusive, I just worry we've blown a large chunk of budget that could've gone towards wages (marquee or not).


Is there no chance that the FU tour could actually turn a profit and help us buy better players?

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We can but hope.

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This bloke wants to come back and play for us. 

Not an import and would be a cheap impact player...


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There is always a hope that Brockie could hit three of his special goals and the Hammers offer a million quid for him as well


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swap Carlos for Finkler

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There is always a hope that Brockie could hit three of his special goals and the Hammers offer a million quid for him as well


West Ham have Reid though, and he'd know what Brockie's like. Newcastle, on the other hand....
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If we tell them he was on Toronto's books they might get distracted

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Steve-O wrote:

We may be slightly moving in the right direction, but one league placing per year is not really enough is it?

Personally think we have priorities a little wrong. All very well taking months and months to get EPL teams here but I'd take a few good signings and a much better 2014-15 season as a result over 2 pre season friendlies.

Rob Morrison said Merrick was in negotiations to secure a new striker, a box-to-box midfielder, and "probably another defender". There is no evidence that securing the BPL friendlies has been the sole focus of the club.


So much this. Where is the evidence that the club's whole executive staff has been focused on the friendlies? There is a reason that we have a Football Operations Manager as well as a General Manager and head of Commercial Operations. From the quotes I have seen, it appears that it has been David Dome and the commercial staff taking care of the friendlies while Shaun Gill has been working with Ernie Merrick on recruitment. A group of people is capable of working on more than one thing at a time.
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Traroe released by victory to pursue a career overseas..... we are overseas!! Come on traroe!!!

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That would be showing some ambition


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There is always a hope that Brockie could hit three of his special goals and the Hammers offer a million quid for him as well




There is more chance of me winning 1st division in lotto next Saturday.
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C-Diddy wrote:


<Daniel> wants to come back and play for us.




Sauce plz?
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There is always a hope that Brockie could hit three of his special goals and the Hammers offer a million quid for him as well


West Ham have Reid though, and he'd know what Brockie's like. Newcastle, on the other hand....

...have had some of the best chants in the EPL
"Monday, Tuesday, Habibe Beye"
"Liam O'Brien, Andy O'Brien, any, any, any O'Brien. Who put the ball in the back of the net? O'Brien, O'Brien."
"Shola Ameobi! Shola Ameobi! Shola Ameobi! Knees bent, arms straight ra ra ra."
"21 or 28, 21 or 28, 21 or 28, Obafemi Martins" 
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kwlap wrote:

Traroe released by victory to pursue a career overseas..... we are overseas!! Come on traroe!!!


Ambitious, but probably based on a misunderstanding, like.... "When I said 'overseas' I did not mean the Tasman Sea but a real ocean"
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Doloras wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:

<Daniel> wants to come back and play for us.



Sauce plz?


Daniel was a Ricki Reject. Does it, in a perverse logic kind of way, make him now 'worthy'? Daniel is a Top Bloke and a NZ citizen and all that, but he might have been away from real action for a bit too long by now, even for my liking, and my standards have been low this season.
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http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/21600.mp3

2:00min in... 

Doloras wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:


<Daniel> wants to come back and play for us.




Sauce plz?


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There is a reason that we have a Football Operations Manager


      Shaun Gill has been working with Ernie Merrick on recruitment.

This is new to me.
I heard his name mentioned a few months ago maybe from the coach.
Listed here:

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wellingtonphoenix/aboutus

Staff members

General Manager: David Dome
Executive Assistant: Lynsey Greenacre
Head Coach: Ernie Merrick
Assistant Coach: Chris Greenacre
Goal Keeping Coach: Jonathan Gould
High Performance Manager: Ed Baranowksi
Physiotherapist: Rob Lee
Strength and Conditioning: Lee Spence
Football Operations Manager: Shaun Gill
Head of Marketing: Kyla Lange
Head of Commercial Operations: Thomas Ben
Events and Ticketing Manager: Lizzie Cummings
Community Development Officer: Rachel Martelli
Match Operations Assistant: John Schmitt
Media Manager: Russell Gray


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Where's Nixie?



And where's Ernieclucks?

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yellowsite wrote:
There is a reason that we have a Football Operations Manager


      Shaun Gill has been working with Ernie Merrick on recruitment.

This is new to me.
I heard his name mentioned a few months ago maybe from the coach.
Listed here:

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wellingtonphoenix/aboutus

Staff members

General Manager: David Dome
Executive Assistant: Lynsey Greenacre
Head Coach: Ernie Merrick
Assistant Coach: Chris Greenacre
Goal Keeping Coach: Jonathan Gould
High Performance Manager: Ed Baranowksi
Physiotherapist: Rob Lee
Strength and Conditioning: Lee Spence
Football Operations Manager: Shaun Gill
Head of Marketing: Kyla Lange
Head of Commercial Operations: Thomas Ben
Events and Ticketing Manager: Lizzie Cummings
Community Development Officer: Rachel Martelli
Match Operations Assistant: John Schmitt
Media Manager: Russell Gray

Massive Cock: Nixie

Coach in Waiting: Ernieclucks

Director of Football: Gazza


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