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Posted February 15, 2013 00:10 · last edited February 15, 2013 00:10

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

So, interested on people's thoughts on how yesterday's announcement re: Carlos Hernandez affects their view of whether Ricki should stay or go as coach.

If before yesterday you thought he should definitely go does this sway your view at all? If so, how much? What else would he need to do to convince you he's worth keeping?  Are things just too far gone now or is there life in an old dog yet?

For me, I had definitely moved into the "he should go as coach" camp but the Carlos recruitment gets him at least a stay of execution, maybe even back to 50/50 chance. A lot still depends on results for the rest of the season and maybe hearing about a couple more good signings.

I can't deny yesterday was a "wow" though. Without getting stupid and throwing ridiculous names from the EPL about, it's hard to think of another A-League level player signing that could have increased his stocks by so much in one hit.



His job is still to coach the team so in the end I don't really get how signing a very much known quantity player really changes anything. It's great he got him to come - but I don't really see how this increases Ricki's stocks.  I don't really get the angle here - you say Ricki pulled this one out of the bag, but what do you see as his part in the signing?  He identified him as a good player he'd like to sign - but couldn't most of us have said yeah, sign him, if someone offered the club Carlos Hernandez?  Doesn't really prove he has the ability to spot a player does it

I'm with JD and 2ndBest on this. Hernandez is well known in the HAL, a no-brainer signing for most teams. The only thing this could indicate is a good piece of man management from Ricki and something I think he has been good at over the years but you can't come to the conclusion he is a good scout, coach or tactician based on this signing.

Yip a very good signing, and I being one that has just been slagging off his recruitment ability I'll admit he has done well here.

But a good signing for next year shouldn't take away attention to the fact we started the year with an extremely weak midfield which most coaches would have known was going to cause a lot of issues. And overall our squad was never going to be able to compete with the top teams. Yes people were saying it was our best squad put together, but over in Australia we were picked to be the wooden spoon.

Also doesnt change the fact that this season we have only won 5 games out of 20. And not only have we been losing, but losing badly.

Carlos won't change Mr Herbert lack of ability at tactic's especially adapting his tactic's in the middle of the game.

Ricki Herbert's biggest strength was he created an environment that gave the team high moral. Seems like this year his biggest strength has let him down some what. Yes some of it might have been out of his control, but all clubs have these issues and coaches need to get past it.

I am very much in the camp Herbert has to go, and sooner the better. But he will remain till the end of the season, and for me to change camps the team is going to need to show a remarkable improvement. Not neccasirly making play offs, but we are certainly going to need to push for play offs.

We have Brisbane away this week. This is a team sitting sitting one point above us. If we lose this I would have to think our chances of making the play offs is over. And if we get completely outplayed and are on the end of another one sided result (which I can see happening) then I see little chance of Herbert changing my opinion. But at the end of the day what does my opinion count for really?

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Bullion wrote:
james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

So, interested on people's thoughts on how yesterday's announcement re: Carlos Hernandez affects their view of whether Ricki should stay or go as coach.

If before yesterday you thought he should definitely go does this sway your view at all? If so, how much? What else would he need to do to convince you he's worth keeping?  Are things just too far gone now or is there life in an old dog yet?

For me, I had definitely moved into the "he should go as coach" camp but the Carlos recruitment gets him at least a stay of execution, maybe even back to 50/50 chance. A lot still depends on results for the rest of the season and maybe hearing about a couple more good signings.

I can't deny yesterday was a "wow" though. Without getting stupid and throwing ridiculous names from the EPL about, it's hard to think of another A-League level player signing that could have increased his stocks by so much in one hit.



His job is still to coach the team so in the end I don't really get how signing a very much known quantity player really changes anything. It's great he got him to come - but I don't really see how this increases Ricki's stocks.  I don't really get the angle here - you say Ricki pulled this one out of the bag, but what do you see as his part in the signing?  He identified him as a good player he'd like to sign - but couldn't most of us have said yeah, sign him, if someone offered the club Carlos Hernandez?  Doesn't really prove he has the ability to spot a player does it

I'm with JD and 2ndBest on this. Hernandez is well known in the HAL, a no-brainer signing for most teams. The only thing this could indicate is a good piece of man management from Ricki and something I think he has been good at over the years but you can't come to the conclusion he is a good scout, coach or tactician based on this signing.

Yip a very good signing, and I being one that has just been slagging off his recruitment ability I'll admit he has done well here.

But a good signing for next year shouldn't take away attention to the fact we started the year with an extremely weak midfield which most coaches would have know was going to cause a lot of issues. And overall our squad was never going to be able to compete with the top teams. Yes people were saying it was our best squad put together, but over in Australia we were picked to be the wooden spoon.

Also doesnt change the fact that this season we have only won 5 games out of 20. And not only have we been losing, but losing badly.

Carlos won't change Mr Herbert lack of ability at tactic's especially adapting his tactic's in the middle of the game.

Ricki Herbert's biggest strength was he created an environment that gave the team high moral. Seems like this year his biggest strength has let him down some what. Yes some of it might have been out of his control, but all clubs have these issues and coaches need to get past it.

I am very much in the camp Herbert has to go, and sooner the better. But he will remain till the end of the season, and for me to change camps the team is going to need to show a remarkable improvement. Not neccasirly making play offs, but we are certainly going to need to push for play offs.

We have Brisbane away this week. This is a team sitting sitting one point above us. If we lose this I would have to think our chances of making the play offs is over. And if we get completely outplayed and are on the end of another one sided result (which I can see happening) then I see little chance of Herbert changing my opinion. But at the end of the day what does my opinion count for really?