Contracted Players - Return of the Long Pins

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Appiah without the pace
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Agreed. Assuming it is corrected you'd think that would be in the high 300K area

One in a million
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The wage bills might be a lot cheaper if we just offered our strikers $10000 a goal

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The wage bills might be a lot cheaper if we just offered our strikers $10000 a goal



Poor Brockie.
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And the defenders 10k for a clean sheet? We'd slash the wage bill!

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Not worth being our highest paid player. I wouldn't mind signing him for two years if there was another slot available, He's a good and versatile player and can cover a few positions, just not quite who we need to knock in the goals.

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Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick is in discussions with the Phoenix board to extend Andrew Durante's contract beyond next season #aleague


Dear Lord.
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Wake me up when they start discussing extending Riera's contract beyond the next season.

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Mainland FC wrote:

Wake me up when they start discussing extending Riera's contract beyond the next season.

Being a visa player, the looming reduction in visa spots could be the reason why he only got a 1 year deal. Deserved a 2 year deal after his efforts this year.
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Mainland FC wrote:

Wake me up when they start discussing extending Riera's contract beyond the next season.

... spending serious money on getting seriously good players to mount an A-League play-off place next year.

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el grapadura wrote:

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick is in discussions with the Phoenix board to extend Andrew Durante's contract beyond next season #aleague


Dear Lord.



My first reaction. On the other hand if you look around the league it is heavily populated with lumbering central defenders of average quality, and even at his age Dura's no worse than them. I look forward to hearing about discussions with a quality midfielder for next season.
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Mainland FC wrote:

Wake me up when they start discussing extending Riera's contract beyond the next season.

Being a visa player, the looming reduction in visa spots could be the reason why he only got a 1 year deal. Deserved a 2 year deal after his efforts this year.
Certainly more deserving of Krishna.
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I really like Michael Boxall at rightback, but we desperately need a new starting quality centre back. Someone to replace Sigmund.

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el grapadura wrote:

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick is in discussions with the Phoenix board to extend Andrew Durante's contract beyond next season #aleague


Dear Lord.

Worst defence 2 years in a row and no one willing to ask the tough questions
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james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick is in discussions with the Phoenix board to extend Andrew Durante's contract beyond next season #aleague


Dear Lord.

Worst defence 2 years in a row and no one willing to ask the tough questions



Just wondering what you think happened JD? You pointed out during our first few games of the season that Ernie had sorted our defense out, (agreed with you back then),  and yet now we've been crucified a few times in the season.

Personally with their age/pace, A league moving on, the weird mojo of becoming an all white for Durante, both Siggy and Durante are no longer up to it.

I actually agree with Stevo, (christ), and feel a lot of our senior players should be moved on over the next two seasons and ultimately there needs to be investment in the club.

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It's easy to be doom and gloom after another heavy loss when we're clearly out of the playoff picture, but I just cannot see the logic in re-signing so many of our players for next year and beyond. Yes Vince Lia has been better this season, but is he really worth another two years? 

I just can't help but think Vince Lia, Manny Muscat, Stein Huysegems, Roy Krishna, Jason Hicks, Leo Bertos and Reece Caira are easy to replace with better players.

At least some of them will be.. 

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Luis Garcia wrote:

It's easy to be doom and gloom after another heavy loss when we're clearly out of the playoff picture, but I just cannot see the logic in re-signing so many of our players for next year and beyond. Yes Vince Lia has been better this season, but is he really worth another two years? 

I just can't help but think Vince Lia, Manny Muscat, Stein Huysegems, Roy Krishna, Jason Hicks, Leo Bertos and Reece Caira are easy to replace with better players.

At least some of them will be.. 

you are a having a laugh , go back to bed
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Hicks was really on it today I thought. A good squad player at the least.

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Luis Garcia wrote:

It's easy to be doom and gloom after another heavy loss when we're clearly out of the playoff picture, but I just cannot see the logic in re-signing so many of our players for next year and beyond. Yes Vince Lia has been better this season, but is he really worth another two years? 

I just can't help but think Vince Lia, Manny Muscat, Stein Huysegems, Roy Krishna, Jason Hicks, Leo Bertos and Reece Caira are easy to replace with better players.

At least some of them will be.. 



I agree that some Herbert era players need to be moved on. I don't agree with all the names you have mentioned. Jason Hicks for instance is probably quite a cheap player to sign up, has a good passing game and gives is all. You may as well keep him in the squad. Same story with Krishna. We are a small club so we have to keep some cheap squad players that will hopefully give us a good 20 minutes.

Lia shouldn't be scapegoated but I feel others can give us more going forward. The real questions have to be asked about a player you haven't even mentioned - Ben Sigmund and to a lesser extent Andrew Durante.
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Questions as well for Wellnix. Beaten today by BlingFC- returning socceroos by the score and Del Piero.

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ForteanTimes wrote:


I actually agree with Stevo, (christ), and feel a lot of our senior players should be moved on over the next two seasons and ultimately there needs to be investment in the club.


The really frustrating thing for me is that has been obvious for at least 12 months now (at least I, and I think JD if I recall correctly, were advocating it) - and rather than actively and strategically address the issue, the owners seem happy to just drift along and hope everything's going to turn all right.

Heaven knows I'm miserable now
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We also seem content to build our team round the same old players every year?

Can't believe Lia got 2 years more, and struggle when I hear Durante is talking about contract extensions.

Where is the ambition?

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el grapadura wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:


I actually agree with Stevo, (christ), and feel a lot of our senior players should be moved on over the next two seasons and ultimately there needs to be investment in the club.


The really frustrating thing for me is that has been obvious for at least 12 months now (at least I, and I think JD if I recall correctly, were advocating it) - and rather than actively and strategically address the issue, the owners seem happy to just drift along and hope everything's going to turn all right.


I put 99% of the blame on the owners, not Ernie as he has to
work with what he's got. Also I don't blame the players, they can only play to
the best of their ability.


 

There is a real culture in society these days that if you
pare everything down to the bare bones then this is a sound business model and
completely acceptable even though it results in businesses and organisations
being forced to their knees barely functioning


 

Welnix have done this to the Nix. I don't need to repeat
what has happened this season as everyone on here agrees that most of the
decisions made by the owners have been poor.


 

They need to seriously look at their strategy for next
season because they won’t have anyone turning up without changing things. Also
it wouldn’t kill the club to actually sound out supporters now and again and
find out how we can help improve things.


 

 

edit: hmm not sure why it has come out in a sort of Ted Hughes poetry format.
 

 

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ForteanTimes wrote:
james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick is in discussions with the Phoenix board to extend Andrew Durante's contract beyond next season #aleague


Dear Lord.

Worst defence 2 years in a row and no one willing to ask the tough questions



Just wondering what you think happened JD? You pointed out during our first few games of the season that Ernie had sorted our defense out, (agreed with you back then),  and yet now we've been crucified a few times in the season.

Personally with their age/pace, A league moving on, the weird mojo of becoming an all white for Durante, both Siggy and Durante are no longer up to it.

I actually agree with Stevo, (christ), and feel a lot of our senior players should be moved on over the next two seasons and ultimately there needs to be investment in the club.


I think the balance of the side is wrong.  We don't hold possession that well (lowest average possession in league - much more marked over the past few weeks) and we get caught constantly with defensive players ahead of the ball when we give it away.  Lia isn't mobile enough and we get completely bypassed.  Siggy and Dura have always been vulnerable to pace and they're getting exposed.  Dura I think is making some bad decisions and he just looks a bit uncomfortable - he was the same for the All Whites - and he's started making mistakes.  Secondly, our strikers have stopped working defensively.  We hardly press the ball at all now.  I watched today and we were leaving 3 or 4 men in their half when we turned the ball over, which was a lot.  That was ragged by the end  
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I think siggy and dura were really enjoying their season, like the rest of us, until Reira got injured.  That's not to say we dont need a ball playing centre back....

I really dont think any of the back four will be buying Vinnie a drink for a while, no matter what ace tunes he plays on the bus/steady hand of "leadership" he offers.

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I feel a bit sorry for the backline, because they're getting zilch protection from the midfield at times. Then again, I wouldn't be laying all the blame on Lia either as he's looking at a whole lot of grass to cover just by himself (and actually did pretty well last night considering). Which is why I repeat that DM is the area we need to spend most time on finding someone decent during the off season.

And no, I don't think that Riera is going to come back in, wave a magic wand and fix all our problems like some on here seem to think. He is a good player, and will help a lot, but like Lia, can't do it by himself.

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Just to further my point. Between that first win against Sydney (22/12) when our team really started to settle, and Riera's injury (08/02) we conceded 6 goals in 7 games with 2 clean sheets. Since then we have conceded 26 goals in 9 games with no clean sheets. All with pretty much the same back line (the major change being Timmins coming into LB which I don't think has been the problem).

The big change has obviously been the loss of Riera, meaning that Lia has had to play in his deeper role, which to be fair he probably hasn't really been as effective at as Riera. With support from with either Manny, who hasn't been as effective as in previous years either, or Ridenton who really isn't suited to that role (yet?). Next year we'll get Lia and Riera back again hopefully, but unless we get more cover, we're just an injury away from it all happening again.

Which is by no means saying that our backline has been without fault. Far from it, and we need to see improvement there too. But I do think that they're getting hung out to dry a lot by what's happening in front.

Appiah without the pace
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Merrick has put a versatile defender, two midfielders and a striker on his 2014-15 shopping list, though the latter will also depend on what unfolds with the out-of-contract Stein Huysegems and Paul Ifill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11233257

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2ndBest wrote:

Merrick has put a versatile defender, two midfielders and a striker on his 2014-15 shopping list, though the latter will also depend on what unfolds with the out-of-contract Stein Huysegems and Paul Ifill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11233257

I wonder if this has changed since the game on the weekend. Because on Saturday he was only after attacking players.
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2ndBest wrote:

Merrick has put a versatile defender, two midfielders and a striker on his 2014-15 shopping list, though the latter will also depend on what unfolds with the out-of-contract Stein Huysegems and Paul Ifill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11233257


I'll believe it when I see it. How many "comprehensive global searches" have we launched just to end up signing some obscure Kiwi/Aussie.
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hlmphil wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Merrick has put a versatile defender, two midfielders and a striker on his 2014-15 shopping list, though the latter will also depend on what unfolds with the out-of-contract Stein Huysegems and Paul Ifill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11233257

I wonder if this has changed since the game on the weekend. Because on Saturday he was only after attacking players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BphZ6Mpcdl0 From 2:28


The article came out before the game.
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Ryan wrote:
hlmphil wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Merrick has put a versatile defender, two midfielders and a striker on his 2014-15 shopping list, though the latter will also depend on what unfolds with the out-of-contract Stein Huysegems and Paul Ifill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11233257

I wonder if this has changed since the game on the weekend. Because on Saturday he was only after attacking players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BphZ6Mpcdl0 From 2:28


The article came out before the game.
Good point. I wonder where he got that info (defender & 2 midfielders) then as there's no quote, and the rest of the quotes look very similar to the interview on the video, where he says he needs attacking players. Not that I'm arguing with the shopping list, I hope that's right actually.
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I find that a bit concerning. 

"We've conceded the most goals in the league, who are you looking to sign for next season?"

"More attacking players!"

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Tegal wrote:

I find that a bit concerning. 

"We've conceded the most goals in the league, who are you looking to sign for next season?"

"More attacking players!"

We aren't winning games because the opposition are scoring more goals than us. Solution: score more goals

:P

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Tegal wrote:

I find that a bit concerning. 

"We've conceded the most goals in the league, who are you looking to sign for next season?"

"More attacking players!"


Wonder what our shots on goal to goals scored ratio is?
I think we've been pretty ineffective up front mostly this season (as well as absent in the midfield and leaky in defence). 

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Tegal wrote:

I find that a bit concerning. 

"We've conceded the most goals in the league, who are you looking to sign for next season?"

"More attacking players!"

We aren't winning games because the opposition are scoring more goals than us. Solution: score more goals

:P


It is the way of some clubs you know... ;)


Legend
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FT - I 'this-ed" you mostly because of your Ted Hughes reference.


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Defensively we are poor. The numbers don't lie but in the last few weeks we have suffered from what we did earlier in the season, namely we do not score when opportunities arise. This ultimately puts pressure across the whole team and inevitably we cough up goals. This was again the case last night. Some good opportunities, not taken, then Brockie breathes on ADP in the penalty area, game over. 


Defending is a much easier prospect if you are putting away the chances you get at the other end of the park.



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sthn.jeff wrote:

 

Defending is a much easier prospect if you are putting away the chances you get at the other end of the park.

Is it?

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Absolutely it is

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I think we've definitely suffered recently by trying to chase the game when we go behind through a dodgy penalty or wonder strike. Our fullbacks/mids press too high too often and we get caught out at the back.

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