Crowds - The thread of Australian whining

Tegal Fan Club Member #1.5
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Tegal wrote:

could be wrong but I don't think that time slot does as well as you'd think. 730 is too long for people to wait around after work, and too short for people to bother going home then back out. 

The biggest time crowds and biggest rating are normally the late Saturday night and the Friday night games... the worst time slot is the early Sunday followed by the early Saturday... 

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Not based on history here.

Tegal Fan Club Member #1.5
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Hard News wrote:

Not based on history here.

Accept your local knowledge was going off what has been posted on 442 over the years for the best time slots re crowds and ratings... 442 base their findings across all matches I guess ... 

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3pm on a Sunday local time is ideal for us here in my opinion.

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Depends obviously on your priorities I don't have kids and prefer to do other things on summer days, so the later the better for me. I also tend to think that night games create a sense of event that sitting in the day with the sun in your eyes doesn't.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

3pm on a Sunday local time is ideal for us here in my opinion.

I couldn't think of a worse time!

I'd personally prefer 7pm on a Saturday evening. It won't interfere with my/wifes/kids daytime activities, allows time for travel, and my kids still get to bed at a reasonable time if they tag along.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

3pm on a Sunday local time is ideal for us here in my opinion.

Good time as by 5pm it is about right  for a few pints.

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And what about those that wish to bring their kids along? On this very site some bleated that 5pm or 7p was too late with kids and school the next day. Saturdays saw most fans involved in o e sort of summer league of some type.

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3:17am on Tuesdays suits me best, all our games should be then  

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Tegal wrote:

could be wrong but I don't think that time slot does as well as you'd think. 730 is too long for people to wait around after work, and too short for people to bother going home then back out. 


5pm finish, two hours in the pub half hour walk up....its not about the casual, its just about the hard core, season ticket holding, shirt waving, down-trodden but not down hearted...roll 5pm roll on Friday.
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5000 max is my pick..its along time for the non drinkers to hang around from after work and it may not attract as many families.Late nite home for Coasters...11pm.

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Mind you, arrive in Wellies at 5, grab a decent meal somewhere and there for the game. Probably only time for a main though, pretty busy around that time.

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think 2B did a graph at some point. 5-530 Saturday's imo. Best of all worlds. 

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Head Sleuth
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tiny sample sizes on a lot of those I suppose due to the number of different time slots. 8pm Wednesday is where it's at. 

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Opps I stuffed that up. Corrected here.

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when that 5pm Sun is so heavily skewed with more data than others, it's not great for drawing meaningful conclusions

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Skewed? Isn't it more likely to reflect a true average with such a bigger sample?

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it's all the single sample time slots that make it difficult to read. 

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Tegal wrote:

it's all the single sample time slots that make it difficult to read. 

Precisely. You have large lump of data with nothing to measure against, so naturally that 5pm Sun slot will look the best. If you had 3 or 4 others with 16 or that was reduced to 5, it becomes more quantifiable.
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I still don't follow. The large sample size makes it more accurate, it doesn't make the average seem like a better crowd size than it actually is.

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I think he just originally said it in a backward way. 

The single sample bars make the overall graph difficult to read at a glance and get anything meaningful from it. Those with more games to take a crowd from are more accurate of course.

You can still get meaningful information from it, you just have to filter out the single samples. 

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I think the best way to break it down is Friday, Saturday, Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening.

Regardless we get whatever timeslot Fox throw at us. Given that's a Sunday afternoon it makes sense to market at families, despite the better prospects of atmosphere and making a night (drunken mess) of it on a Friday or Saturday night.

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I know what I mean but maybe I am not explaining myself properly.

You know how you go into the Z stations and they give you those orange chips to put into the charity of choice to donate to? Imagine if that were Phoenix time slots. Then people would tell you by their vote what they felt what was the best time slot and the results would bear out cause of equal choice.

At the moment, you do not have a choice. You largely have to attend the games when the FFA schedule them regardless if that is the best time slot for you. If Phoenix games were ALWAYS scheduled at 5pm Sunday and averaged 20k in crowds, that would not necessarily mean that was the best time to have Phoenix home games in Wellington because other time slots could do better.

In the case of the graph, you have the Sunday 5pm is the standout because thats when the FFA schedule them. The only other one that is comparable to measure against is the Friday 7:30pm slot because it too has a large sample size (16 vs 10) and the crowd sizes are roughly the same. If each time slot had 16 games against them, then you could conclude what was the most popular time slot cause its an even spread and it would smooth out the highs and the lows. If that 1 game on the Wed 8pm had 20k, you could not conclude that it was the most popular time slot. You need to have even distribution of data to draw conclusions and like Tegal said, the one offs and low samples on others means you cannot.

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2ndBest wrote:

Opps I stuffed that up. Corrected here.

So we can reasonably expect to get around 8k on Friday night.

My other take-away from that graph is that an earlier kick-off time on Sunday would be well worth looking at. Both 3pm and 4:30pm have performed well, although 4pm has been rubbish for some reason. Small sample sizes I guess. I can also understand why Aussie TV audiences don't like watching games on Sunday at 1pm.

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do not think at this stage i will be coming down the road on friday but will make a decision on friday after work.

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Westpac is empty (and I mean EMPTY) for the cricket. I wonder if this is the end of cricket in NZ....

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Was there a game on there? Was at work but i havent heard of any advertising.

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On TV. I think there was 15 people (and I'm not making that up)

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They done it especially for TV audiences. That's where the money comes from

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you mean from sky subscriptions? I wonder how many people actually tune in to watch T20?

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Westpac is empty (and I mean EMPTY) for the cricket. I wonder if this is the end of cricket in NZ....

Not just Westpac, all the other venues are the same whenever I tune in

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2ndBest wrote:

They done it especially for Indian bookmakers. That's where the money comes from

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Westpac is empty (and I mean EMPTY) for the cricket. I wonder if this is the end of cricket in NZ....

This is 20/20 remember.

The game they invented cos people were too bored with tests or 50 overs to go and watch

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I reckon they would get a decent crowd (as in hundreds not thousands but more than 15) if they put lights in at the basin - really bad idea making the cake tin a multi purpose venue and not just for football and rugby, they could have built on the history of the basin and made it a cricketing meca.

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Ryan wrote:

I reckon they would get a decent crowd (as in hundreds not thousands but more than 15) if they put lights in at the basin - really bad idea making the cake tin a multi purpose venue and not just for football and rugby, they could have built on the history of the basin and made it a cricketing meca.

NIMBY's wont let anything happen at the Basin.
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I remember the basin getting really good crowds for T20 a couple of years back. 

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Westpac is empty (and I mean EMPTY) for the cricket. I wonder if this is the end of cricket in NZ....

And yet, if you listen to the news sports bulletin, they would talk about it for hours. Mind boggles.

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I've just been told by someone that was there that they could count 23 people in attendance.  That would have made for a big atmosphere. I bet they still played the music friggen loud just in case the crowd noise drowned them.

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I went to the game yesterday (got some free tickets). Definitely a better crowd in the sunshine. Could have been a couple of thousand maybe? Don't forget that the weather on Saturday was rubbish.

In saying that, I think everyone there would have preferred to have been sitting on the bank at the basin.

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