Well the 11,000 crowd is about 1,000 times greater than the North v South Cricket game a few weeks ago. It is also about 10 times greater than Wellington Rugby's average crowd for the ITM Cup and about the same as Sevens tickets sold to date.
Based on this we are "Smokin"
I thought the clun needed 10k to make a profit. I don't know how much Eden Park charged and if it is more than the Westpac ripoff merchants but this isn't that bad.
Sure I would have preferred more had shown up but the more I think about it and considering Ragamuffin and the Park thing on an evening with light drizzle, it wasn't that bad.
I don't know why the media target us for such negativity most of the time, do they see the club as a threat to the holyer than religeon Rugby? I do agree that the club should be releasing items of a more positive note when there is an upcoming home game just to get the publics interest angle. Not everyone has the internet which might surprise some.
Regardless of what the experts on here say, are the Nix happy with the 11000 crowd ? Thats all that counts. Did Dome give an indication??
I think that with better scheduling, a game again next year in Auckland will beat any other city, and that is likely what the Nix will think too.
The nix lost money on the game. So no they're weren't happy with it.
One area that has not been explored by the Phoenix for games at a 'home' away from home is playing games in the summer holidays at a holiday area. A game in Taupo/Tauranga/Napier/Nelson during the holidays must be worth consideration.
Regardless of what the experts on here say, are the Nix happy with the 11000 crowd ? Thats all that counts. Did Dome give an indication??
I think that with better scheduling, a game again next year in Auckland will beat any other city, and that is likely what the Nix will think too.
The nix lost money on the game. So no they're weren't happy with it.
Serious question, do you absolutely know that, or speculating. There are more than ticket sales to take into account here
Regardless of what the experts on here say, are the Nix happy with the 11000 crowd ? Thats all that counts. Did Dome give an indication??
I think that with better scheduling, a game again next year in Auckland will beat any other city, and that is likely what the Nix will think too.
The nix lost money on the game. So no they're weren't happy with it.
has that been confirmed?
Not the loss of money but that they were not happy with it?
I spoke to a mate who is involved and he said considering the factors they were ok with 11k.
Taupo would be a good one but then Air New Zealand just killed the flight service so a 4-5 hour drive would be in order. Napier would be a good venue during the holidays, or even Nelson.
Regardless of what the experts on here say, are the Nix happy with the 11000 crowd ? Thats all that counts. Did Dome give an indication??
I think that with better scheduling, a game again next year in Auckland will beat any other city, and that is likely what the Nix will think too.
The nix lost money on the game. So no they're weren't happy with it.
has that been confirmed?
Not the loss of money but that they were not happy with it?
I spoke to a mate who is involved and he said considering the factors they were ok with 11k.
I think there is a slight difference.
They're probably not that surprised by 11k but aren't happy with it (and probably hoped for a few thousand more). I doubt Auckland will lose the annual game based on this crowd number, considering those other factors. But it'll probably get them at least discussing whether the game is worth it in future.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/64151764/Welli...
The Phoenix needed 12,000 to break even from the match against the Central Coast Mariners and were confident of doing so...
Phoenix general manager David Dome said competing with Christmas in the Park at Auckland Domain was partly to blame but he still expected better, given the club's hot form leading into the match.
The Auckland venture would be reviewed by the board over the next two weeks.
"Definitely a poor crowd," Dome said.
I thought the clun needed 10k to make a profit. I don't know how much Eden Park charged and if it is more than the Westpac ripoff merchants but this isn't that bad.
Sure I would have preferred more had shown up but the more I think about it and considering Ragamuffin and the Park thing on an evening with light drizzle, it wasn't that bad.
I don't know why the media target us for such negativity most of the time, do they see the club as a threat to the holyer than religeon Rugby? I do agree that the club should be releasing items of a more positive note when there is an upcoming home game just to get the publics interest angle. Not everyone has the internet which might surprise some.
Taupo would be a good one but then Air New Zealand just killed the flight service so a 4-5 hour drive would be in order. Napier would be a good venue during the holidays, or even Nelson.
Teams would not travel to small venues if it involved long road trips.
Our attendances in January have been:
2007/8
14,288
2008/9
7,524
8,241
2009/10
8,927
7,727
2010/11
9,456
5,115
10,917
2011/12
8,411
3,898
13,601
2012/13
6,608
6,429
2013/14
7,005
6,813
about the same as any other game during the first 2 thirds of the season - aside from a very slight spike for the first and even second home game.
Don't make 2B use graphs again.
So one between 3-4K and that was that horrible day when Glory were here.
3,898, that was the rainy/stormy sharkty midweek game I think.
Teams would not travel to small venues if it involved long road trips.
Our attendances in January have been:
2007/8
14,288
2008/9
7,524
8,241
2009/10
8,927
7,727
2010/11
9,456
5,115
10,917
2011/12
8,411
3,898
13,601
2012/13
6,608
6,429
2013/14
7,005
6,813
2007/8
14,288
2008/9
7,524
2010/11
9,456
2011/12
8,411
2007/8
14,288
2008/9
7,524
2010/11
9,456
2011/12
8,411
Agreed.
My comment was aimed more at targetting an audience of fans/potential fans holidaying in Taupo, Nelson and elsewhere, based on Dome's quote about when they could schedule the game's outside of Wellington, which was stated in this or another forum.
The gist of his quote stated that if they have an early season game away from Wellington they get stick from their home supporters and they can't have January fixtures in Auckland/Chbristchurch because everyone was on holiday
Of course, any quote from DD, the 'Disaster' Dome, exposes his fundamental lack of knowledge of/empathy for promoting the Phoenix to supporters, whether they be diehards, regulars or potential fans.
Last years flak was a result of the huge gap between home games, not that one game was taken away from Wellington
My experience of attending games in the post-Christmas/New Year period in Wellington is the crowd will be 3-4k
on second reading, I think that is pretty fudgeing disrespectiful.
Teams would not travel to small venues if it involved long road trips.
And Perth play us.
Do they still do international flights into rotovegas?
Agreed.
My comment was aimed more at targetting an audience of fans/potential fans holidaying in Taupo, Nelson and elsewhere, based on Dome's quote about when they could schedule the game's outside of Wellington, which was stated in this or another forum.
The gist of his quote stated that if they have an early season game away from Wellington they get stick from their home supporters and they can't have January fixtures in Auckland/Chbristchurch because everyone was on holiday
Of course, any quote from DD, the 'Disaster' Dome, exposes his fundamental lack of knowledge of/empathy for promoting the Phoenix to supporters, whether they be diehards, regulars or potential fans.
Last years flak was a result of the huge gap between home games, not that one game was taken away from Wellington
My experience of attending games in the post-Christmas/New Year period in Wellington is the crowd will be 3-4k
on second reading, I think that is pretty fudgeing disrespectiful.
After that response I realised that, in his position of that time, that there was no point in attempting further discussion.
I have had some fruitful and very responsive discussions with the Phoenix Marketing since his change of position
Whatever you may think of DD, in my opinion, he is not a marketing person, as his recent statements about future Auckland fixtures have demonstrated
His ability to maintain his current position reflect the same talents of survival demonstrated by the current 'good' manager of NUFC, based on my life-long support of the Toon and the 'Nix, since foundation.
Far more respectful than your being with that "nickname" for him.
"I have had some fruitful and very responsive discussions with the Phoenix Marketing since his change of position
Whatever you may think of DD, in my opinion, he is not a marketing person, as his recent statements about future Auckland fixtures have demonstrated."
Yep. I'd agree with that.
Maybe marketing in the sense of securing sponsors etc but not a PR (or people) person.
I've found him surprisingly open and honest actually.
You're basically calling him that because he worded an email to you poorly a few years ago?
Far more respectful than your being with that "nickname" for him.
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Far more respectful than your being with that "nickname" for him.
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I've found him surprisingly open and honest actually.
You're basically calling him that because he worded an email to you poorly a few years ago?
I've found him surprisingly open and honest actually.
I woud expect a CEO to be honest. Maybe not always open, but honest.
A Marketing Manager however...
Fair enough. It just seemed harsh on the back of a single poorly worded email a few years ago!
Also, asking thirteen thousand from New Zealands biggest city is not asking too much considering the form the team has been in is it?
ITS JUST MANNERS ...its very rude to kick your cash cow ....
David Dome is a opn, honest good guy when you speak to him face to face. Obviously there arw some commercial aspects that he cannot talk about but you will find him open to most questions.
This threatening of crowd sizes caught me by surprise when they first started and I have ever since wondered if that is from him or he is speaking on behalf of the owners.
Let's remember I believe it was Gareth that really started the sabre rattling about attendances. Terry once commmented on it that he hoped the number would increase but I think it was Gareth that said words along the line of turn up or else.
You guys say threatening. I saying reality checking.
If this is what people are getting angsty over, the club must be in a pretty good space.
Far more respectful than your being with that "nickname" for him.
The classic response of putting words in other people's mouths.
We are just getting ready for a mini-off season in January Dale. It's just the pre-mid-season-off-season-angsting.
We ARE in a good space. Best space we've been in for a long time, arguably ever.
Is it so wrong to be positive about the club and most of what it's doing on the field and off?
I just want them to embrace all the good they do, not to constantly reaffirm all the things that aren't going so well
You guys say threatening. I saying reality checking.
If this is what people are getting angsty over, the club must be in a pretty good space.
regardless of what label you give it - the real question is - did that approach attract any more people to the game?
