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Posted November 26, 2014 05:30 · last edited November 26, 2014 05:33

Jeff Vader wrote:

valeo wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think it's possible we'll play a higher line at home and be more attacking. Or try it at first with McG back and all...

I have to actually ask this. What difference does it make if its home or away? Play it depending who you are playing against, not what field you are playing on cause last I checked, all football fields are roughly the same.

Because it's obviously harder to play in an environment that is unfamiliar when the entire crowd is against you?

Are you seriously saying there is no tangible advantage to playing at home and not having to travel?

An unfamiliar environment...... They play on the same fucking football pitch every game. Its not unfamiliar at all.

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I am not talking about the crowds here at all. I am saying to you pick your tactics on the teams you play against, not where you play the game. If where you play the game materially affects your performance that much that you have to alter the way you play your game, then you are not that good a team. Good teams believe in their own game plan and go out and execute it and if they play on Mars, the Moon, America or NZ, its the same shaped pitch regardless.

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I have never ever ever coached a team to play differently because its home or away. That's just ludicrous.

I suppose you need to talk to old Jose Mourinho then, as his teams have always set up differently away from home against opponents similar in skill level. 

In a salary capped league where every team is so equal - and when we, out of all teams (and Perth) have to travel the longest distances - it's sensible to try and find a balance away from home. To say that doesn't affect  us is silly. 

If playing away from home didn't affect sports teams, then why do all the stats - for most sports, really - say differently? Saying that 'the pitch is the same' is pretty reductive and doesn't take into account various other factors. (the greater pressure from home fans to play attacking football, the distance travelled, flights, being away from family/normal routine etc etc.)

I mean, if you are far and away the better side - like Brisbane Roar were for a while there - then sure, go away and be confident that you can continue to play the same way and get a result. But we aren't that good. Not yet. We have to be a bit more realistic.

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valeo edited November 26, 2014 05:33
Jeff Vader wrote:
valeo wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
martinb wrote:

I think it's possible we'll play a higher line at home and be more attacking. Or try it at first with McG back and all...

I have to actually ask this. What difference does it make if its home or away? Play it depending who you are playing against, not what field you are playing on cause last I checked, all football fields are roughly the same.

Because it's obviously harder to play in an environment that is unfamiliar when the entire crowd is against you?

Are you seriously saying there is no tangible advantage to playing at home and not having to travel?

An unfamiliar environment...... They play on the same fucking football pitch every game. Its not unfamiliar at all.

.

I am not talking about the crowds here at all. I am saying to you pick your tactics on the teams you play against, not where you play the game. If where you play the game materially affects your performance that much that you have to alter the way you play your game, then you are not that good a team. Good teams believe in their own game plan and go out and execute it and if they play on Mars, the Moon, America or NZ, its the same shaped pitch regardless.

.

I have never ever ever coached a team to play differently because its home or away. That's just ludicrous.

I suppose you need to talk to old Jose Mourinho then, as his teams have always set up differently away from home against opponents similar in skill level. 

In a salary capped league where every team is so equal - and when we, out of all teams (and Perth) have to travel the longest distances - it's sensible to try and find a balance away from home. To say that doesn't affect  us silly. 

If playing away from home didn't affect sports teams, then why do all the stats - for most sports, really - say differently? Saying that 'the pitch is the same' is pretty reductive and doesn't take into account various other factors. (the greater pressure from home fans to play attacking football, the distance travelled, flights, being away from family/normal routine etc etc.)

I mean, if you are far and away the better side - like Brisbane Roar were for a while there - then sure, go away and be confident that you can continue to play the same way and get a result. But we aren't that good. Not yet. We have to be a bit more realistic.

valeo edited November 26, 2014 05:32
Jeff Vader wrote:
valeo wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
martinb wrote:

I think it's possible we'll play a higher line at home and be more attacking. Or try it at first with McG back and all...

I have to actually ask this. What difference does it make if its home or away? Play it depending who you are playing against, not what field you are playing on cause last I checked, all football fields are roughly the same.

Because it's obviously harder to play in an environment that is unfamiliar when the entire crowd is against you?

Are you seriously saying there is no tangible advantage to playing at home and not having to travel?

An unfamiliar environment...... They play on the same fucking football pitch every game. Its not unfamiliar at all.

.

I am not talking about the crowds here at all. I am saying to you pick your tactics on the teams you play against, not where you play the game. If where you play the game materially affects your performance that much that you have to alter the way you play your game, then you are not that good a team. Good teams believe in their own game plan and go out and execute it and if they play on Mars, the Moon, America or NZ, its the same shaped pitch regardless.

.

I have never ever ever coached a team to play differently because its home or away. That's just ludicrous.

I suppose you need to talk to old Jose Mourinho then, as his teams have always set up differently away from home against opponents similar in skill level. 

In a salary capped league where every team is so equal - and when we, out of all teams (and Perth) have to travel the longest distances - it's sensible to try and find a balance away from home. To say that doesn't affect  us silly. 

If playing away from home didn't affect sports teams, then why do all the stats - for most sports, really - say differently? Saying that 'the pitch is the same' is pretty reductive and doesn't take into account various other factors.

I mean, if you are far and away the better side - like Brisbane Roar were for a while there - then sure, go away and be confident that you can continue to play the same way and get a result. But we aren't that good. Not yet. We have to be a bit more realistic.

valeo edited November 26, 2014 05:31
Jeff Vader wrote:
valeo wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
martinb wrote:

I think it's possible we'll play a higher line at home and be more attacking. Or try it at first with McG back and all...

I have to actually ask this. What difference does it make if its home or away? Play it depending who you are playing against, not what field you are playing on cause last I checked, all football fields are roughly the same.

Because it's obviously harder to play in an environment that is unfamiliar when the entire crowd is against you?

Are you seriously saying there is no tangible advantage to playing at home and not having to travel?

An unfamiliar environment...... They play on the same fucking football pitch every game. Its not unfamiliar at all.

.

I am not talking about the crowds here at all. I am saying to you pick your tactics on the teams you play against, not where you play the game. If where you play the game materially affects your performance that much that you have to alter the way you play your game, then you are not that good a team. Good teams believe in their own game plan and go out and execute it and if they play on Mars, the Moon, America or NZ, its the same shaped pitch regardless.

.

I have never ever ever coached a team to play differently because its home or away. That's just ludicrous.

I suppose you need to talk to old Jose Mourinho then, as his teams have always set up differently away from home against opponents similar in skill level. 

In a salary capped league where every team is so equal - and when we, out of all teams (and Perth) have to travel the longest distances - it's sensible to try and find a balance away from home. To say that doesn't affect is us silly. 

If playing away from home didn't affect sports teams, then why do all the stats - for most sports, really - say differently? Saying that 'the pitch is the same' is pretty reductive and doesn't take into account various other factors.

I mean, if you are far and away the better side - like Brisbane Roar were for a while there - then sure, go away and be confident that you can continue to play the same way and get a result. But we aren't that good. Not yet. We have to be a bit more realistic.

valeo edited November 26, 2014 05:30
Jeff Vader wrote:
valeo wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
martinb wrote:

I think it's possible we'll play a higher line at home and be more attacking. Or try it at first with McG back and all...

I have to actually ask this. What difference does it make if its home or away? Play it depending who you are playing against, not what field you are playing on cause last I checked, all football fields are roughly the same.

Because it's obviously harder to play in an environment that is unfamiliar when the entire crowd is against you?

Are you seriously saying there is no tangible advantage to playing at home and not having to travel?

An unfamiliar environment...... They play on the same fucking football pitch every game. Its not unfamiliar at all.

.

I am not talking about the crowds here at all. I am saying to you pick your tactics on the teams you play against, not where you play the game. If where you play the game materially affects your performance that much that you have to alter the way you play your game, then you are not that good a team. Good teams believe in their own game plan and go out and execute it and if they play on Mars, the Moon, America or NZ, its the same shaped pitch regardless.

.

I have never ever ever coached a team to play differently because its home or away. That's just ludicrous.

I suppose you need to talk to old Jose Mourinho then, as his teams have always set up differently away from home against opponents similar in skill level. 

In a salary capped league where every team is so equal - and when we, out of all teams (and Perth) have to travel the longest distances - it's sensible to try and find a balance away from home. To say that doesn't affect is us silly. 

If playing away from home didn't affect sports teams, then why do all the stats - for most sports, really - say differently? Saying that 'the pitch is the same' is pretty reductive and doesn't take into account various other factors.