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Just came across this on the Age website,seems the victory lads are warming up for the new season.


A flurry of flares, including one which hit a player, have put at risk practice matches between A-League champion Melbourne Victory and local Victorian Premier League clubs.

Last night's game between the Victory and former NSL powerhouse South Melbourne was played before a crowd of more than 7000 at Bob Jane Stadium, but was marred when a flare hit a South player in the head.

Victoria Police said today up to 12 flares were lit during the game and one person charged on summons for assault and a further four for bad behaviour.

Fourteen people were also evicted.

Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley told Melbourne radio station SEN today it was both frustrating and disappointing to see these sorts on incidents.

"We hate to see these sorts of incidents occur and we're doing as much as we possibly can to eradicate it," Buckley said.

Buckley said this latest episode of poor crowd behaviour could spell the end of the Victory playing games against local teams.

"I think it does," Buckley said.

"We actually took a punt and supported Melbourne Victory in playing this game and South Melbourne as well ... And then you have a number of individuals who just go and ruin it for everyone."

Melbourne Victory chief executive Geoff Miles said the club had a "zero tolerance" attitude towards flares.

"Clearly, we want to make sure that there's a strong message sent there, and look, we'd struggle to think that they are real fans of the game if that's how they want to behave," Miles said today.

He said the club was comfortable with the security arrangements at Bob Jane Stadium, which was South Melbourne's responsibility given it was their home ground.

"Obviously taking in of flares to grounds was an issue last night but there were searches at the gate," he said.

Miles hoped last night's fracas did not spell the end for matches between the Victory and local teams - and South Melbourne in particular - which he said were important to their pre-season preparations.

"We'd want to take stock on that, but I've got to stress that there was not trouble between fans of both clubs," Miles said.

"The key issue is the flares."

South Melbourne was one of the most successful clubs in the old NSL before the competition collapsed in 2004.

A winner of four NSL titles, it chose not to apply for the lone Victorian A-League license when the A-League was founded in 2005, but has expressed a desire to bid when the competition is expanded.

South Melbourne football director Jim Marinos refused to comment on the incident, referring all questions to the FFA media department.

While the club went to ground, the player struck in the head by the flare, midfielder Andrew Bourakis, blamed Melbourne Victory supporters.

"I think South Melbourne has been under a lot of scrutiny in the past in regards to crowd behaviour and crowd control and all that sort of thing and I must say the guys last night were absolutely fantastic," Bourakis told SEN.

"So in this case it was actually the Melbourne Victory fans."

"It was just one of those unfortunate things where I was behind the goals near the Victory stands and, you know, they've let loose."

AAP

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well i am told melbourne has a population of around 3million, of whom 700,000 are of greek descent, a further 4-500,000 of italian descent. There is no way they will stop flares its how these poeple show passion.

what pisses me off is the fans who throw flares in general and at players, this is not good at all (except when olympiakos fan hit toti in champions league game)i like the idea of flares to pump up the crowd etc they are not dangerous in these cases but when people throw them it is dangerous to everyone on the stadium. Also when people throw them it gives flares a bad name and now the a-league will go all out to stop them,

i think 3-4 flares in a crowd of jumping fans chanting is beautiful
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The A-League are already all out to stop them.  Clubs will be fined thousands of dollars for them.  That's why the dimmer members of the tard fan base let them go at a pre-season match that the A-League have no duristiction over:

To quote a Tard fan:

The kids need to get over the sparklers.

It really isn't funny anymore.
Never has been.

If you're at the football, you're there to watch football.
If you want to sing and play with sparklers, join a choir and do Carols By Candlelight.


Now, flares at a Team Wellington game... that could be amusing.
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Flares look good, but too risky. And at the expense of the club i wouldnt risk it.
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score was 5-1 Victory.  Flares are problematic and there are real reaosns why they are banned.  Each flare lit costs the club $3,000 so if you bring flares you are undermining your own club.  Welly shouldn't have too many problems though as most flares are brought by Victory supporters and they won't be able to get them through customs.  If you see any Pheonix supporters with them stop them as the club can't afford it. Blahblah2007-06-22 12:46:14
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Flares are sh*t. The sooner they hand out $10,000 fines to these f**kwits the better. I'll personally batter ANY visiting Victory supporter who rips a flare at the caketin! Passion? Bollocks! It's retarded little f**kwits trying to copy the 'real' ultras from Europe because they're incapable of developing an identity of their own.
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Flares are not cool anymore. Accept maybe in the Hutt. I prefer something tighter fitting  - goes with my retro YF top, or maybe a nice shell-suit.
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Feverish wrote:
Flares are not cool anymore. Accept maybe in the Hutt. I prefer something tighter fitting  - goes with my retro YF top, or maybe a nice shell-suit.
 
The MOST obvious and least funny joke anyone could have made in a thread about flares, well done.
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I am going to leave mine at home tonight, but if my boat crashes on way back home, and I drown in the dark........as god is my witness, I will haunt everyone of you
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kiwi pie wrote:
This should have been the real talking point of the night...
 
 
class goal.  Hate to admit it, as I find him a right little chav (an aussie Craig Bellamy, if you will) but it is a class goal
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I personally think flares can liven up a crowd and add a sense of atmosphere - look at what the European Ultras do with them. But unfortunately, they're sourced from the wrong kind of people, who use them for the wrong reasons. They let us down, and embarrass me to be associated with them as a fellow supporter. Love them when used properly and safely.
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21947287-2883,00.html
Points loss threat over flaresArticle from: Font size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print Sam Edmund

June 22, 2007 12:00am
FOOTBALL Federation Australia, fed-up with the lighting of flares during games, may consider stripping Melbourne Victory of premiership points,

A security guard was injured and 14 people ejected during a pre-season match against South Melbourne at Bob Jane Stadium on Wednesday night.

Police said 12 flares were lit during the game, with one hurled from the stands clipping South Melbourne player Andrew Bourakis.

Four people are expected to be charged on summons with assault and behaviour offences. Six were evicted for possessing flares.

The behaviour took the shine off an excellent crowd of 7500 fans, who saw Victory win the game 5-1.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley, tired of flares being ignited at A-League games, would not rule out stripping Victory of premiership points two months before the start of the season.

"There's a range of sanctions open to us," Buckley said.

"Clearly we can fine the club if we think that's appropriate, we can ban people from the venue and at an extreme end we can deduct points.

"All those things have to be considered."

Buckley paid tribute to Victory's fan power and on-field prowess, but said Melbourne had earned a reputation as the league's trouble spot.

"Melbourne games aren't the only games where we've had situations with flares, but in terms of the number of flares that go off, there's substantially more in Melbourne than anywhere else," he said.

"We've been successful at curbing incidents at other cities but there seems to be an element in Melbourne that haven't got the message, and don't seem to want to get the message, that this isn't going to be tolerated.

"They're doing their club and the game a disservice."

An FFA investigation is under way, with league officials studying video footage of the game.

"We have the police reports and we're waiting on a report from the club and the venue, and once we've got those details we'll determine what steps we'll take," Buckley said.

The incident is a major blow for Victory, which yesterday threatened life bans for fans caught with flares.

Chief executive Geoff Miles said he was disappointed the actions of a few were halting the growth of the club and the game.

"There's no doubt our supporters certainly aren't impressed with any incidents of flare throwing and there's no doubt they would be upset to think some people might have thrown flares," Miles said.

"There's a real strong sense from our supporter groups that this sort of behaviour is not a part of Melbourne Victory.

"We believed that flares were probably a distant memory but last night showed there's still a few people who want to try that."


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kiwi pie wrote:
This should have been the real talking point of the night...
 
 
class goal.  Hate to admit it, as I find him a right little chav (an aussie Craig Bellamy, if you will) but it is a class goal
Chav? Archie? Nah, mate, he's a sweetheart!
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ok what about flares outside the stadium before a game to rark the fans up, i see this will rip through our fans as i know a lot of pro flares people and it seems a lot of anti flares people,

check this out though.....

greece must win in order to qualify for world cup, machlas scores a goooooooooooaal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Nl2rwd8QU

i think this video is beautifulWPFC_OR_DEATH2007-06-23 01:39:42
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How many people were singed or choked by smoke? That's just crazy. Note how many people use them inappropriately (throwing). THATS not the beautiful side of it.
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well i am told melbourne has a population of around 3million, of whom 700,000 are of greek descent, a further 4-500,000 of italian descent. There is no way they will stop flares its how these poeple show passion. 


Wtf has ethnicity got to do with this? Do you know for a fact the clown who threw the flare was Greek or Italian? Most bizarre post ever

Meanwhile South were mince on the night, but it was good too see BJS rocking again for the first time in years.
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not at all but it is mostly the ethnic minorities who take flares to games as to emulate their clubs like olympiakos/paok etc,

there are more "fanatics" in the greek community than in the general australian population. look at the "friendly game" the ausys played against greece im almost 100% sure that 95% of the greek/greece suporters were born in Australia and they were the ones who took flares, of corse there were not as many as the above incedents as im told the government/police went out of their way to fix that game and not allow banners/flags etc but i saw about 5 during the game

also all the 2-3 greeks i know on this site have suggested flares,
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Fair point Supermercado, but it's a fact that South Melbourne, or Greek games for that matter, don't pass without a flare or two or ten. Nothing against them, but he's right in saying thats how they show passion for their team, by "burning it down". They love their football. And when you have 700,000 of them in a city, it's always going to be mighty hard to keep games flare-free.
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Fair point Supermercado, but it's a fact that South Melbourne, or Greek games for that matter, don't pass without a flare or two or ten. Nothing against them, but he's right in saying thats how they show passion for their team, by "burning it down". They love their football. And when you have 700,000 of them in a city, it's always going to be mighty hard to keep games flare-free.


How is it a fact? That's a farcical statement. I've been to enough South games over the years to know that the stereotype is a million miles away from the reality. In fact I can't remember one this season because, it may surprise you to know, they're trying to get rid of the troublemaking idiots. All the flare action the other night was coming from YOUR fans - stop passing the buck onto other clubs.

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