Long Season Beckons

Lets all cry for Brisbane Roar as well they lost the opener as well. 

I'm on the BIG YELLOWn'BLACK bus.  Front seat. 

Points in last few games V Crowd. Only regular season games at Westpac. I've excluded our first season given the buzz around it.

Probably should point out that in 2011/12, Phoenix opened with 7,643 crowd. Went on to get 13K twice that season.

And ladder position (100% = last heading into a home game).

Great stats Dale.

Results runs and ladder positon do seem to correlate to attendances

they're fairly positive. Just below 500 people on average per position on the table I think?

Also most of the first 30% league position are actually about the same as the rest of the data, with only a few that are actually high. 

Will be interesting to use those graphs in conjunction with one that shows per month to see how much the end of season accounts for that positive correlation. 

#boredNerdsGraphClub 

This FFA game is enough to get me graphing

What a shit pitch. And i loved the non tap on the face and the guy rolled around lime he was shot.

lols

so we have a prima facie 3-5k lift in crowds with decent winning runs.

weather, end of season, holidays other factors, but the trend's there

someone pointed out that 20k crowds at Sydney/Melbs easily pay for a marquee

4k@$20 = $80k/game

13 home games = $1m smackers

success breeds success

COYN

no doubt. Just when I was looking through the attendances last week it noticeably spiked toward the end of the season if we were winning. Wasn't surprised when my graph showed that. But you're right, one showing league position would be a better indicator. 

2Bs show that winning does increase crowds on average by just under 500 per league position, but then I want to know how much of that comes from the end of season vs the rest of the season. 

I think part of it is kiwis simply aren't used to such a long season. Rugby goes year round but each competition is usually about 12 games. We have 27. We certainly have a  MLB style 'dog days of summer' in the middle of our season where interest dies off. 

Not sure it graphs well give some of the small numbers. Average crowd (y) v points scored in last 3 games. Each line represents how far through the season the game in question was.  the 13,000 is one game.

My gut feel is you need a run of 5 games or so.  Particularly if you are coming from a bad season or a poor run.  That gives time for the press to incrementally turn from dire to bandwagon positive, allows at least two good home experiences and starts building word of mouth.

Good things take time imho

but of course I could be about to be proven wrong

This may show it better. Average crowd on y axix, percentage way through the season on the X. Each line represent location in the table (ie. <20% will be top two in a 10 team comp.).

So basically being higher up in the table helps. But the differences is greater towards the end of the season. 

that's exactly the table I was just about to do (lucky we didn't double up). Cheers!

Bump

2ndBest, aka Graphman.

An even longer season beckons when we make the play offs! Yes!

A loss at home in the first game of the season was not a great start. A good away win takes away some of the pain

However, the really disappointing feature of the game against Glory was that all the players were playing in one half of the pitch. 

Sadly that half of the pitch was not the half-way line but a line drawn between the middle of one goal to the middle of the other goal.
If the opposition want to play that way, surely the Nix should exploit the space.
I thought that was a Herbert-era formation that would not be repeated by a Merrick-era formation
Whatever fans may think of the merits of both managers, this habit of following the ball like schoolboys has no place in pub football nevermind A-league football
[If anyone questions this formation, you are not watching the game from behind the posts at home games] 
Too bombastic? No! This shit happens!

This sucks. Such a looooong off season

Probably the reason graphs don't show much difference in crowds vs performance during the start of the season is that we've never actually had a very good start to any season. In our first 4 games we've never won 2 matches. We've only gone on winning streaks in the middle or end of seasons. We've never had a first 10 games where results are overall inspiring.

To truly test whether results influence crowds at the start of seasons for us, we are going to need data of crowds after Phoenix winning a few in a row early on... Hopefully this data is about to start rolling through!

Good point actually

Anyone noticed that we seem to always have similar results to Perth every year (apart from one season)?

(Points and position each season, WPX first, PG second)

2007/08 --- 20 (8th) -- 20 (7th)

2008/09 --- 26 (6th) -- 22 (7th)

2009/10 --- 40 (4th) -- 39 (5th)

2010/11 --- 41 (6th) -- 23 (10th)

2011/12 --- 40 (4th) -- 43 (3rd)

2012/13 --- 27 (10th) -- 32 (6th)

2013/14 --- 28 (9th) -- 28 (8th)

So losing the opening game to Perth was actually in our best interest, and since they're doing well, that must mean we will do well this season too... That's sound logic, right?

how silly does this thread seem now. Everyone teed off after one game.

where is Steve-O?

Everyone?

You know what I mean

99% angst 1% quality graphing.

Apologies in advance for a positive comment in the "negative" thread but...

One of the things that has most impressed me so far this season is our discipline, best in the league! 

4 games in and only 2 yellows!

It's going to have to be a long season for us to get anywhere near our average number of yellows in a season.

Tempted to but wont say my comment....

Still looks awesome.

this thread is hilarious. 

I think this will be a longer season than last.

First Page Highlights

Two strikers short for a start; play offs doubtful already. Burns looks decent ?

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I was never on it. I think we will do better this season but I predicted us to come 7th.

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Player I was most disappointed in was Roly. To me he looked lazy and spent a lot of his time arguing with officials and giving dumb free-kicks away. His attitude seemed, to me anyway, almost Carlos-esque at times.

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I thought 7th before the game, and still do. People laugh at the other teams being so shark, but I don't see how they are worse than us. Victory, City and even laughing stock Sydney in particular look miles better than us.

Of course, from this viewpoint it is clearly true that Ernie messed up by packing our midfield and not getting us a gun marquee Euro striker or replacing Siggy and Dura, and the playoffs are looking further and further away.

yay for long seasons!