Wellington Phoenix Men

Nix v NZ u20.

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Steve-O wrote:
Does anyone know of any bus that goes there (Hutt Park Raceway) from Wellington City?


All of the Eastbourne buses do.
Welly to Wainui go past the Hutt Park roundabout.

If you have to, you can get a bus to Petone and transfer to a 130 which goes past the Park.

When you get the bus out to Hutt park. Remember to get off the bus BEFORE the roundabout if on a Eastbourne bus.
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Buffon II wrote:

gambitecake wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Good. Maybe it will stop the constant w**king over him that goes on on here.
haha
I'm not joking, it's disgraceful.


Did he piss in your cornflakes?
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aitkenmike wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

gambitecake wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Good. Maybe it will stop the constant w**king over him that goes on on here.
haha
I'm not joking, it's disgraceful.


Did he piss in your cornflakes?


No i just don't rate him as highly as many of you lot do. Some of you go on about him like he's the next messiah.

Three for me, and two for them.

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We produce so few decent keepers that if one stands out we should sing from the rooftops.  Besides, there are plenty of less worthy names that get fapped about on here.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How has he stood out?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Exactly. Don't be so negative when a kiwi does well.
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Still want to know what he's done to stand out well above the rest.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
European trials
NZ age group call ups.
NZFC keeping at 18.
Professional (or at least semi) overseas contract by 20.
Awards within that overseas competition.

Apart from Marinovic (who could yet be back playing Northern Premier League next year like most Wynton placings) that is a damn sight more than any other young NZ keeper has done in quite a while.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Oh, and he's tall.  Not necessarily a clincher but a lot better than some 5'6 options.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doesn't stand out above anything Spoonley has achieved in his career to date i'm afraid, even if some of the achievements above are interchangeable (swap say awards for NZ senior mens cap).

And suggesting Marinovic is next in tow? Please

Three for me, and two for them.

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Hard News wrote:
Oh, and he's tall.  Not necessarily a clincher but a lot better than some 5'6 options.


Clutching at straws big time here News. Ask any decent keeper coach and they will tell you height (for the most part, i mean you can't be 4 ft 2 for example) doesn't matter.

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?


Barthez was a clown. In fact Coco probably would have won as much, if not more, if he'd played for the sides Barthez played for.
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as in so many things, it's what you do with it


or so I'm told
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el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?


Barthez was a clown. In fact Coco probably would have won as much, if not more, if he'd played for the sides Barthez played for.


Care to tell me what he won mate? Were there zero other goalkeepers around in France during 12 years he spent in the national side?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Yes, there were better keepers in France ahead of Barthez.

Gregory Coupet for one. If there were justice in this world, he'd have spent most of the late 1990s and 2000s keeping for France. But that's life. Barthez was like teflon, nothing ever stuck to him regardless of how rubbish he was.
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Anyone? What's Barthez won? Hang on i'll go through it myself.

MarseilleMonaco
Manchester United
InternationalIndividual
Orders


Not bad for a clown. sh*t i'd love to clown around in goal for about 15 years and only win that many trophies, awards and accolades.
Buffon II2010-08-04 22:25:04

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:


Not bad for a clown. sh*t i'd love to clown around in goal for about 15 years and only win that many trophies, awards and accolades.




Well on your way there Buffy
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el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:


Not bad for a clown. sh*t i'd love to clown around in goal for about 15 years and only win that many trophies, awards and accolades.




Well on your way there Buffy


Nice one mate. Way to make me feel good about myself.

Tell you what you may be an "oracle on all things football" (Marius Lacatus - Upcoming NZ friendlies thread) but you ain't much on personal feelings.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Oh, and he's tall.  Not necessarily a clincher but a lot better than some 5'6 options.


Clutching at straws big time here News. Ask any decent keeper coach and they will tell you height (for the most part, i mean you can't be 4 ft 2 for example) doesn't matter.

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?
 
If that is true why is the shortest keeper in the Premier League Shay Given at 6"0 (and is regularly criticised for how he manages his box).  Why are nearly all of the best keepers in the world over 6"0??  Yes you can pick out the odd one but that only proves how exceptional you have to be.
 
Height is a massive advantage for goal keepers, very very few keepers under 6"0 get a look in in Europe.

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Oh, and he's tall.  Not necessarily a clincher but a lot better than some 5'6 options.


Clutching at straws big time here News. Ask any decent keeper coach and they will tell you height (for the most part, i mean you can't be 4 ft 2 for example) doesn't matter.

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?
 
If that is true why is the shortest keeper in the Premier League Shay Given at 6"0 (and is regularly criticised for how he manages his box).  Why are nearly all of the best keepers in the world over 6"0??  Yes you can pick out the odd one but that only proves how exceptional you have to be.
 
Height is a massive advantage for goal keepers, very very few keepers under 6"0 get a look in in Europe.


How come the best goalkeeper in the world is 6'1" then (Casillas) and not 6'8" (Kalac)?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:


Not bad for a clown. sh*t i'd love to clown around in goal for about 15 years and only win that many trophies, awards and accolades.




Well on your way there Buffy
Nice one mate. Way to make me feel good about myself.Tell you what you may be an "oracle on all things football" (Marius Lacatus - Upcoming NZ friendlies thread) but you ain't much on personal feelings.


You're young, you still a have a lot to learn about life.

Hope you feel better soon.
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el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:


Not bad for a clown. sh*t i'd love to clown around in goal for about 15 years and only win that many trophies, awards and accolades.




Well on your way there Buffy
Nice one mate. Way to make me feel good about myself.Tell you what you may be an "oracle on all things football" (Marius Lacatus - Upcoming NZ friendlies thread) but you ain't much on personal feelings.


You're young, you still a have a lot to learn about life.

Hope you feel better soon.


Yeah well i hope so. All i've learnt so far is to trust nobody but myself.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Meanwhile... back on the topic... pre-match drinks across the road?

If I'm not there, start without me
E + R + O

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Buffon II wrote:
james dean wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Oh, and he's tall.  Not necessarily a clincher but a lot better than some 5'6 options.


Clutching at straws big time here News. Ask any decent keeper coach and they will tell you height (for the most part, i mean you can't be 4 ft 2 for example) doesn't matter.

Barthez was only 5'10", care to tell me what he won in his career?
 
If that is true why is the shortest keeper in the Premier League Shay Given at 6"0 (and is regularly criticised for how he manages his box).  Why are nearly all of the best keepers in the world over 6"0??  Yes you can pick out the odd one but that only proves how exceptional you have to be.
 
Height is a massive advantage for goal keepers, very very few keepers under 6"0 get a look in in Europe.


How come the best goalkeeper in the world is 6'1" then (Casillas) and not 6'8" (Kalac)?
 
Because, as I'm sure you are aware, height isn't the only factor, often height and agility (along with a ehole lot of other stuff) are a trade off and the range 6"2-6"5 is about the range that most top class goalkeepers fit into, where neither is compromised too badly.
 
I think you're not arguing the facts here Buffy, ignore Gleeson and Spoonley for a minute.  You know as well as I do that hight alone isn't enough.  You also know that the vast majority of top keepers are taller than 6"0 - and that height is an advantage for a goal keeper.

Normo's coming home

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hang on. You say height is a massive advantage for keepers then say it's not the only factor nor is it enough.

Personally i'd rather have a keeper at 5'11" or 6'0" that is solid, dependable and consistent then have a keeper who is 6'5" or 6'6" that is shaky, diffident and inconsistent.

Three for me, and two for them.

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I think the point being made is that if you were to have a keeper who was 5'8, and a keeper who was 6'3, both who had exactly the same attributes, you'd take the 6'3 dude. He's going to cover more of the goal, be more likely to get to the ball in the air for crosses, etc etc.
bigtobz2010-08-04 22:57:12
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That's a silly argument, what you need to ask is what if you had a very good keeper who was 5"10 and another who was not quite as good but 6"2.  Height is a factor, but it's not the only factor (exactly what I said above).  But being taller as a keeper is an advantage, it helps when claiming crosses and it's a help in shot stopping as well, you can cover more ground.  If 5"10 is tall enough to be a top class keeper (and I am talking about pro leagues here, not NZ where there are many fantastic keepers at that level below 6"0) why aren't there more of them around?

Normo's coming home

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I can't answer that JD. I'm not a professional coach nor a professional player. Perhaps it's just one of those culturally accepted things in football, to choose the keeper with the greater height. Actually that goes for a lot of outfield players too. But things may change in generations to come as the game continues to evolve. Who knows.

Bigtobz there is no need for that picture, it isn't very nice.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffy try being more positive and it'll help. I'm happy to see Gleeson doing well in an overseas competition. Whether or not he's better than Spoonley remains to be seen, but Gleeson is in the right environment to learn and develop his game more than Spoonley is in the NZFC. It's great to see young kiwis playing overseas but when they're doing well its even better. And we have an incredible lack of depth in this position. But as these keepers are too old lets talk about McPeake, Turipa and the guys who are actually U20, and hope they too can get the opportunities Gleeson has and can develop their game to the top level.
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Not sure what just happened there, but anyway.

I am as positive as i can be, well i'm trying to be anyway. Both on here and life in general. But as for on here if people don't give me the chance to be a better forummer and be more positive then it can't happen.

I do rate Gleeson and like you all wish him the very best. My original point was that he is often rated in such high esteem on here you would think our next best (future) keepers are all down the pub sinking back half a dozen pints and eating a plate of fish and chips.

Anyway i'll leave it there. Believe it or not it isn't my aim to cause animosity on here.

Three for me, and two for them.

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I think I've said it before elsewhere but I would expect us to produce more good keepers.  Countries that have a strong tradition of multiple sports, not just football, like UK, Aussie and US have all had a good track record with keepers (UK not so much at the moment but you know what I mean).  I do wonder whether a lack of specialist goal keeping coaches is a problem.
 
There's something for you to focus on buffy - professional goal keeping coach!!

Normo's coming home

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Buffon II wrote:
Not sure what just happened there, but anyway.I am as positive as i can be, well i'm trying to be anyway. Both on here and life in general. But as for on here if people don't give me the chance to be a better forummer and be more positive then it can't happen.I do rate Gleeson and like you all wish him the very best. My original point was that he is often rated in such high esteem on here you would think our next best (future) keepers are all down the pub sinking back half a dozen pints and eating a plate of fish and chips.Anyway i'll leave it there. Believe it or not it isn't my aim to cause animosity on here.


Reminds me of the Ferrymead Bays coach's rant at Coey Turipa when they came up to play Nelson. Kept calling him the U17 pie eating champion every time he'd make a save.

Everyone has their own opinion, it's how a forum works. It's good to have a great white hope though!

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Luis Garcia wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Not sure what just happened there, but anyway.I am as positive as i can be, well i'm trying to be anyway. Both on here and life in general. But as for on here if people don't give me the chance to be a better forummer and be more positive then it can't happen.I do rate Gleeson and like you all wish him the very best. My original point was that he is often rated in such high esteem on here you would think our next best (future) keepers are all down the pub sinking back half a dozen pints and eating a plate of fish and chips.Anyway i'll leave it there. Believe it or not it isn't my aim to cause animosity on here.


Reminds me of the Ferrymead Bays coach's rant at Coey Turipa when they came up to play Nelson. Kept calling him the U17 pie eating champion every time he'd make a save.

 
That's bloody awful!  Hope he was taken to task...

Normo's coming home

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Why is it that ALL NZ age group teams have huge tall timber from front to back and even in goal? Size must be a very important factor when selecting players. Look at teh NZ All Whites team , geez how tall are they??? Now, look at Phoenix.. DM is v tall.
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Hard News wrote:
Still need to get the Nighthawks canned.


Looks like the rain God will look after that for you.
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AngusBeef wrote:
Why is it that ALL NZ age group teams have huge tall timber from front to back and even in goal? Size must be a very important factor when selecting players. Look at teh NZ All Whites team , geez how tall are they??? Now, look at Phoenix.. DM is v tall.
 
because at the moment we can't compete technicaly so compete physically?

Normo's coming home

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Two old sayings come to mind 1) A good big man will always beat a good small man 2) Age and treachery will beat youth and exuberance!
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Steve-O wrote:
Does anyone know of any bus that goes there (Hutt Park Raceway) from Wellington City?


You could get a train and walk down.
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Bevan wrote:

Steve-O wrote:
Does anyone know of any bus that goes there (Hutt Park Raceway)�from Wellington City?
You could get a train and walk down.



Buses from petone railway station to eastbourne would probably go past raceway. i think i also read that rail was off this weekend being replaced with buses. There a wellington/eastbourne bus service.
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