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Posted November 12, 2015 04:41 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

ConanTroutman wrote:
Midfielder wrote:

one last post 

For those who want an Asian view on the Nix.

The Roar in their Football tab have an article written by one of Asia's best Football journalist.

In a football context isn't every Australian opinion also an Asian opinion anyway? 

Also Lonegunman if this is the link if it was to my post you requested the link.

I post this to highlight what seems to be the accepted wisdom of many posters on this forum that the AFC issues are to quote some a , smokescreen, FFA excuse making, and other posts similar. It also shows very clearly that the Nix’s approval to play in the A-League ends in 2020 thus the reason for only a four year offer being able to be made.

From a post on the article...""""just as some background, John is one of the most knowledgeable football journalists in Asia and has a feel as to the mood in the halls in Kuala Lumpur. The article more or less reflects the mood of the AFC in relation to this issue"""…

The article headlines reads.. https://www.theroar.com.au/2015/11/12/wellington-phoenix-are-an-oceaniac-problem-in-asian-football

“””Wellington Phoenix are an Oceaniac problem in Asian football””

This article on the Roar that to date had been quite supportive of the Nix’s in general has most posters saying why keep the Nix.

Within the context also of don’t shot the messenger issues pertaining to KPI’s were first raised roughly two years ago and late last year in particular. I personally posted on this and then stopped as I was told it was BS I was only negative etc so roughly in January I only posted rarely.

But to put some context in the debate I have not seen to date on this forum [stands by for screams] let’s look at the FFA claim on funds etc and allow for the non FFA funds received because they play in the A-League

FFA directly pay 2.55 million to the Nix as they do all other clubs to fund wages and because the Nix play in the A-League and are broadcast across Australia and highlights packages are shown across about 100 nations the Nix can get sponsorships well beyond if they were a NZ team so say 1 million, further the Nix can attract between 80 and 100 K fans through the gates because they pay in the A-League at say $ 20.00 per head so maybe another 1.8 million.

FFA need to sell the A-League and what adds value is ratings it brings in extra sponsorships and shirt and kit sales. In NZ the media exposure of Football has hardly moved since Hal started and when you add the comical errors made by NZF like playing ineligible players it just adds to the cry’s from the AFC about why do you support these guys..

Finally Frank Lowy is going in days he has fought long and hard for a NZ team… he is going and its 11 years since he argued for a NZ side playing in Asia maybe his son will not share either the passion or desire to take the fight to the AFC if he can show no real improvement in the KPI’s.

I kinda realise this will not be a popular post however if all you guys wanta do is say everything is BS and smoke screens with an evil FFA run by ancient and deceitful war lord assisted by a robot doing his biding a slave of Foxs then you continue to ignore meaning do nothing to solve the issues ...  

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ConanTroutman wrote:
Midfielder wrote:

one last post 

For those who want an Asian view on the Nix.

The Roar in their Football tab have an article written by one of Asia's best Football journalist.

In a football context isn't every Australian opinion also an Asian opinion anyway? 

Also Lonegunman if this is the link if it was to my post you requested the link.

I post this to highlight what seems to be the accepted wisdom of many posters on this forum that the AFC issues are to quote some a , smokescreen, FFA excuse making, and other posts similar. It also shows very clearly that the Nix’s approval to play in the A-League ends in 2020 thus the reason for only a four year offer being able to be made.

From a post on the article...""""just as some background, John is one of the most knowledgeable football journalists in Asia and has a feel as to the mood in the halls in Kuala Lumpur. The article more or less reflects the mood of the AFC in relation to this issue"""…

The article headlines reads.. http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/11/12/wellington-phoenix-are-an-oceaniac-problem-in-asian-football

“””Wellington Phoenix are an Oceaniac problem in Asian football””

This article on the Roar that to date had been quite supportive of the Nix’s in general has most posters saying why keep the Nix.

Within the context also of don’t shot the messenger issues pertaining to KPI’s were first raised roughly two years ago and late last year in particular. I personally posted on this and then stopped as I was told it was BS I was only negative etc so roughly in January I only posted rarely.

But to put some context in the debate I have not seen to date on this forum [stands by for screams] let’s look at the FFA claim on funds etc and allow for the non FFA funds received because they play in the A-League

FFA directly pay 2.55 million to the Nix as they do all other clubs to fund wages and because the Nix play in the A-League and are broadcast across Australia and highlights packages are shown across about 100 nations the Nix can get sponsorships well beyond if they were a NZ team so say 1 million, further the Nix can attract between 80 and 100 K fans through the gates because they pay in the A-League at say $ 20.00 per head so maybe another 1.8 million.

FFA need to sell the A-League and what adds value is ratings it brings in extra sponsorships and shirt and kit sales. In NZ the media exposure of Football has hardly moved since Hal started and when you add the comical errors made by NZF like playing ineligible players it just adds to the cry’s from the AFC about why do you support these guys..

Finally Frank Lowy is going in days he has fought long and hard for a NZ team… he is going and its 11 years since he argued for a NZ side playing in Asia maybe his son will not share either the passion or desire to take the fight to the AFC if he can show no real improvement in the KPI’s.

I kinda realise this will not be a popular post however if all you guys wanta do is say everything is BS and smoke screens with an evil FFA run by ancient and deceitful war lord assisted by a robot doing his biding a slave of Foxs then you continue to ignore meaning do nothing to solve the issues ...  

Midfielder edited November 12, 2015 04:42
ConanTroutman wrote:
Midfielder wrote:

one last post 

For those who want an Asian view on the Nix.

The Roar in their Football tab have an article written by one of Asia's best Football journalist.

[/quote]In a football context isn't every Australian opinion also an Asian opinion anyway? 

Also Lonegunman if this is the link if it was to my post you requested the link.

I post this to highlight what seems to be the accepted wisdom of many posters on this forum that the AFC issues are to quote some a , smokescreen, FFA excuse making, and other posts similar. It also shows very clearly that the Nix’s approval to play in the A-League ends in 2020 thus the reason for only a four year offer being able to be made.

From a post on the article... [quote]just as some background, John is one of the most knowledgeable football journalists in Asia and has a feel as to the mood in the halls in Kuala Lumpur. The article more or less reflects the mood of the AFC in relation to this issue

…

The article headlines reads.. http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/11/12/wellington-phoenix-are-an-oceaniac-problem-in-asian-football

“””Wellington Phoenix are an Oceaniac problem in Asian football””

This article on the Roar that to date had been quite supportive of the Nix’s in general has most posters saying why keep the Nix.

Within the context also of don’t shot the messenger issues pertaining to KPI’s were first raised roughly two years ago and late last year in particular. I personally posted on this and then stopped as I was told it was BS I was only negative etc so roughly in January I only posted rarely.

But to put some context in the debate I have not seen to date on this forum [stands by for screams] let’s look at the FFA claim on funds etc and allow for the non FFA funds received because they play in the A-League

FFA directly pay 2.55 million to the Nix as they do all other clubs to fund wages and because the Nix play in the A-League and are broadcast across Australia and highlights packages are shown across about 100 nations the Nix can get sponsorships well beyond if they were a NZ team so say 1 million, further the Nix can attract between 80 and 100 K fans through the gates because they pay in the A-League at say $ 20.00 per head so maybe another 1.8 million.

FFA need to sell the A-League and what adds value is ratings it brings in extra sponsorships and shirt and kit sales. In NZ the media exposure of Football has hardly moved since Hal started and when you add the comical errors made by NZF like playing ineligible players it just adds to the cry’s from the AFC about why do you support these guys..

Finally Frank Lowy is going in days he has fought long and hard for a NZ team… he is going and its 11 years since he argued for a NZ side playing in Asia maybe his son will not share either the passion or desire to take the fight to the AFC if he can show no real improvement in the KPI’s.

I kinda realise this will not be a popular post however if all you guys wanta do is say everything is BS and smoke screens with an evil FFA run by ancient and deceitful war lord assisted by a robot doing his biding a slave of Foxs then you continue to ignore meaning do nothing to solve the issues ...