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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

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Posted February 21, 2016 10:21 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

The thing is that the a league is a good league and not miles away from the premier league, at that level the difference between a premier league player and an a league player comes down to small percentages. Half a step quicker, a fraction of a second faster at making a decision, releasing a pass sightly earlier, etc.

That gave me a good chuckle

why? The difference between someone who is good and some one who is very good is just fractions. We're not comparing the gut who plays indoor football for his office social club and premier league players here, we're comparing two lots of professionals. The sum of the differences is greater than the parts.

ok. I will play along. How many of  the  very very very good players that have played in the A league have gone on to make a fist of it in the PL ?  Surely if it was as close as you suggest there would be a few now? 

Compare that to the number of struggling pros or jouneymen from lower levels who have come the  other way and done very well in the A League . Ifill probably top of that list

well it's the laws of diminishing returns, the closer you get to the top the fewer people have those attributes, its on a curve so the closer you are to the top the less likely you are going to have that next step in quality in you. The steps in quality aren't bigger but they are harder as you reach the peak.
Plenty of a league players could almost do it but just lack in one or two areas.

I would suggest 90 or 95 % of A league players would not shine at Championship level.

I guess your definition of small differences and mine differ

This is also the nature of a salary capped league (and Ifill said this as well)- enormous levels of difference within teams. Whereas you'd expect a non-capped league's teams to be a bit more even in ability. 

It's hard to say where and how players develop. Jedinak is a player who obviously kept developing. As did Kruse, though he's not been getting selected recently. I'd put Kruse and Langerak in the developed in the A-league category. Playing for that Leverkusen team is as good a level as being in the Premier League. Ditto Dortmund.

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sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

The thing is that the a league is a good league and not miles away from the premier league, at that level the difference between a premier league player and an a league player comes down to small percentages. Half a step quicker, a fraction of a second faster at making a decision, releasing a pass sightly earlier, etc.

That gave me a good chuckle
why? The difference between someone who is good and some one who is very good is just fractions. We're not comparing the gut who plays indoor football for his office social club and premier league players here, we're comparing two lots of professionals. The sum of the differences is greater than the parts.
ok. I will play along. How many of  the  very very very good players that have played in the A league have gone on to make a fist of it in the PL ?  Surely if it was as close as you suggest there would be a few now? 

Compare that to the number of struggling pros or jouneymen from lower levels who have come the  other way and done very well in the A League . Ifill probably top of that list

well it's the laws of diminishing returns, the closer you get to the top the fewer people have those attributes, its on a curve so the closer you are to the top the less likely you are going to have that next step in quality in you. The steps in quality aren't bigger but they are harder as you reach the peak.
Plenty of a league players could almost do it but just lack in one or two areas.
I would suggest 90 or 95 % of A league players would not shine at Championship level.

I guess your definition of small differences and mine differ

This is also the nature of a salary capped league (and Ifill said this as well)- enormous levels of difference within teams. Whereas you'd expect a non-capped league's teams to be a bit more even in ability. 

It's hard to say where and how players develop. Jedinak is a player who obviously kept developing. As did Kruse, though he's not been getting selected recently. I'd put Kruse and Langerak in the developed in the A-league category. Playing for that Leverkusen team is as good a level as being in the Premier League. Ditto Dortmund.