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Posted February 21, 2016 08:28 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

The thing is that the a league is a good league and not miles away from the premier league, at that level the difference between a premier league player and an a league player comes down to small percentages. Half a step quicker, a fraction of a second faster at making a decision, releasing a pass sightly earlier, etc.

That gave me a good chuckle

why? The difference between someone who is good and some one who is very good is just fractions. We're not comparing the gut who plays indoor football for his office social club and premier league players here, we're comparing two lots of professionals. The sum of the differences is greater than the parts.

ok. I will play along. How many of  the  very very very good players that have played in the A league have gone on to make a fist of it in the PL ?  Surely if it was as close as you suggest there would be a few now? 

Compare that to the number of struggling pros or jouneymen from lower levels who have come the  other way and done very well in the A League . Ifill probably top of that list

well it's the laws of diminishing returns, the closer you get to the top the fewer people have those attributes, its on a curve so the closer you are to the top the less likely you are going to have that next step in quality in you. The steps in quality aren't bigger but they are harder as you reach the peak.
Plenty of a league players could almost do it but just lack in one or two areas.

I think you're both right, and was about to try and explain why, but Ryan just hit it on the head I reckon.

The difference is only minimal, but that little bit is actually really big at the same time. Kind of the 80/20 thing - you gotta have that 80% to become a professional, but it's all about how much of that other 20% you have or don't have, that's what will decide which league you are good enough to compete in. 

If you're just as good as an EPL player in every single category, except just a tiny fraction slower in the decision-making, then that could potentially be the difference between scoring 10 goals, or getting tackled and robbed of possession 10 times instead. So suddenly that fraction of difference becomes a chasm in terms of end product, and you're turfed into the lower leagues. 

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Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

The thing is that the a league is a good league and not miles away from the premier league, at that level the difference between a premier league player and an a league player comes down to small percentages. Half a step quicker, a fraction of a second faster at making a decision, releasing a pass sightly earlier, etc.

That gave me a good chuckle
why? The difference between someone who is good and some one who is very good is just fractions. We're not comparing the gut who plays indoor football for his office social club and premier league players here, we're comparing two lots of professionals. The sum of the differences is greater than the parts.
ok. I will play along. How many of  the  very very very good players that have played in the A league have gone on to make a fist of it in the PL ?  Surely if it was as close as you suggest there would be a few now? 

Compare that to the number of struggling pros or jouneymen from lower levels who have come the  other way and done very well in the A League . Ifill probably top of that list

well it's the laws of diminishing returns, the closer you get to the top the fewer people have those attributes, its on a curve so the closer you are to the top the less likely you are going to have that next step in quality in you. The steps in quality aren't bigger but they are harder as you reach the peak.
Plenty of a league players could almost do it but just lack in one or two areas.

I think you're both right, and was about to try and explain why, but Ryan just hit it on the head I reckon.

The difference is only minimal, but that little bit is actually really big at the same time. Kind of the 80/20 thing - you gotta have that 80% to become a professional, but it's all about how much of that other 20% you have or don't have, that's what will decide which league you are good enough to compete in. 

If you're just as good as an EPL player in every single category, except just a tiny fraction slower in the decision-making, then that could potentially be the difference between scoring 10 goals, or getting tackled and robbed of possession 10 times instead. So suddenly that fraction of difference becomes a chasm in terms of end product, and you're turfed into the lower leagues. 

paulm edited February 21, 2016 08:31
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Ryan wrote:

The thing is that the a league is a good league and not miles away from the premier league, at that level the difference between a premier league player and an a league player comes down to small percentages. Half a step quicker, a fraction of a second faster at making a decision, releasing a pass sightly earlier, etc.

That gave me a good chuckle
why? The difference between someone who is good and some one who is very good is just fractions. We're not comparing the gut who plays indoor football for his office social club and premier league players here, we're comparing two lots of professionals. The sum of the differences is greater than the parts.
ok. I will play along. How many of  the  very very very good players that have played in the A league have gone on to make a fist of it in the PL ?  Surely if it was as close as you suggest there would be a few now? 

Compare that to the number of struggling pros or jouneymen from lower levels who have come the  other way and done very well in the A League . Ifill probably top of that list

well it's the laws of diminishing returns, the closer you get to the top the fewer people have those attributes, its on a curve so the closer you are to the top the less likely you are going to have that next step in quality in you. The steps in quality aren't bigger but they are harder as you reach the peak.
Plenty of a league players could almost do it but just lack in one or two areas.

I think you're both right, and was about to try and explain why, but Ryan just hit it on the head I reckon.

The difference is only minimal, but that little bit is actually really big at the same time. Kind of the 80/20 thing - you gotta have that 80% to become a professional, but it's all about how much of that other 20% you have or don't have.

If you're just as good as an EPL player in every single category, except just a tiny fraction slower in the decision-making, then that could potentially be the difference between scoring 10 goals, or getting tackled and robbed of possession 10 times instead.