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Posted April 20, 2018 01:18 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103170270/kiwis-played-fewer-minutes-than-ever-in-wellington-phoenixs-201718-season

Be interesting to see the stats for Kalazec vs Greenacre.

why?

Because I'll find it interesting.

why?

Because the standout players towards the season were all young kiwis that played under Greenie. Singh, Cacace, Ridenton, and Sail all played significant minutes under Greenie with other players like Rogerson getting time (and scoring goals as well). It would be interesting to see if these observations are backed by fact. Also, I'd hazzard to guess that in the last few games of the season Kiwi's created more chances and scored more goals than non Kiwis.

Thanks for the spreadsheet Matt.

Singh and Cacace both started playing under Kalezic. And Ridenton was a feature.the entire season. Sail is the only one who didn't get time with Kalezic, but that's offset by the fact that Kalezic played Smith a lot at the start of the season.

Just to give some context to this 'kiwi youth revolution' that Greenacre apparently started.

Going on Matt's stats; if you looking at overall minutes under each coach - NZers had an 8.3% increase in game time under Greenacre (this is also while a greater proportion of his games with an international window and more players called up for that window). If you include Dura as all players eligible for the AWs then under Greenacre, 44.4% of all minutes were for players eligible for the AWs; this is a 9.8% increase over DK.

Firstly, that's a hardly revolutionary difference. Especially since the Dura point reflects DK's attempts to get rid of him, while Greenacre didn't have that kind of agenda.

The other thing is that some of the Kiwi minutes were forced on Greenacre - if Velaphi hadn't been injured, Sail wouldn't have got the minutes that he did. It'd be interesting to see what the difference in that case would be - I'd guess not much, but I'm not working it out.

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Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103170270/kiwis-played-fewer-minutes-than-ever-in-wellington-phoenixs-201718-season

Be interesting to see the stats for Kalazec vs Greenacre.

why?

Because I'll find it interesting.

why?

Because the standout players towards the season were all young kiwis that played under Greenie. Singh, Cacace, Ridenton, and Sail all played significant minutes under Greenie with other players like Rogerson getting time (and scoring goals as well). It would be interesting to see if these observations are backed by fact. Also, I'd hazzard to guess that in the last few games of the season Kiwi's created more chances and scored more goals than non Kiwis.

Thanks for the spreadsheet Matt.

Singh and Cacace both started playing under Kalezic. And Ridenton was a feature.the entire season. Sail is the only one who didn't get time with Kalezic, but that's offset by the fact that Kalezic played Smith a lot at the start of the season.

Just to give some context to this 'kiwi youth revolution' that Greenacre apparently started.

Going on Matt's stats; if you looking at overall minutes under each coach - NZers had an 8.3% increase in game time under Greenacre (this is also while a greater proportion of his games with an international window and more players called up for that window). If you include Dura as all players eligible for the AWs then under Greenacre, 44.4% of all minutes were for players eligible for the AWs; this is a 9.8% increase over DK.

Firstly, that's a hardly revolutionary difference. Especially since the Dura point reflects DK's attempts to get rid of him, while Greenacre didn't have that kind of agenda.

The other thing is that some of the Kiwi minutes were forced on Greenacre - if Velaphi hadn't been injured, Sail wouldn't have got the minutes that he did. It'd be interesting to see what the difference in that case would be - I'd guess not much, but I'm not working it out.

Unknown editor edited April 20, 2018 01:48
Bullion wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Ryan wrote:
Feverish wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103170270/kiwis-played-fewer-minutes-than-ever-in-wellington-phoenixs-201718-season

Be interesting to see the stats for Kalazec vs Greenacre.

why?

Because I'll find it interesting.

why?

Because the standout players towards the season were all young kiwis that played under Greenie. Singh, Cacace, Ridenton, and Sail all played significant minutes under Greenie with other players like Rogerson getting time (and scoring goals as well). It would be interesting to see if these observations are backed by fact. Also, I'd hazzard to guess that in the last few games of the season Kiwi's created more chances and scored more goals than non Kiwis.

Thanks for the spreadsheet Matt.

Singh and Cacace both started playing under Kalezic. And Ridenton was a feature.the entire season. Sail is the only one who didn't get time with Kalezic, but that's offset by the fact that Kalezic played Smith a lot at the start of the season.

Just to give some context to this 'kiwi youth revolution' that Greenacre apparently started.

Going on Matt's stats; if you looking at overall minutes under each coach - NZers had an 8.3% increase in game time under Greenacre (this is also while a greater proportion of his games with an international window and more players called up for that window). If you include Dura as all players eligible for the AWs then under Greenacre, 44.4% of all minutes were for players eligible for the AWs; this is a 9.8% increase over DK.

Firstly, that's a hardly revolutionary difference. Especially since the Dura point reflects DK's attempts to get rid of him, while Greenacre didn't have that kind of agenda.

The other thing is that some of the Kiwi minutes were forced on Greenacre - if Velaphi hadn't been injured, Sail wouldn't have got the minutes that he did. It's be interesting to see what the difference in that case would be - I'd guess not much, but I'm not working it out.