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Posted April 24, 2018 05:28 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

Napier Phoenix wrote:
Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

I don't agree with your thought process behind not commenting. That would only apply if the club were going to flat out deny any conversations had occurred at all. I think the interview was a good outcome for the club, in my mind anyway, I'm very clear about where they stand and I can only reach that conclusion because Rob Morrison made this appearance. All of us will put our little spin on what it all means but a couple of things I'm quite prepared to accept unconditionally are:

1. The ownership group are in this for the right reasons.

2. They are spending money in a manner that is not conducive to best business practice.

3. They totally support a change to the A League model, from FFA control to independence.

4. The ongoing survival of the club [in any form] is dependent on an new independent A League with a sustainable business model.

I still believe that they have been very prudent in not spending the required amount of money to be competitive in the A League. But accept that is totally understandable under the circumstances. They are holding out for significant change to give the club stability and some real monetary value. I also think there is nothing wrong with that - as they have every right to expect a chance to make money from the club.

What I do appreciate is the fact that Rob Morrisson has laid it all out on the table that the club's future depends on a new A League and that will guide them on what they do next in terms of making this a club with some value to both them, the fans and the league. 

I hope we can agree that its not purely an act of charity to own the club [as many in this forum keep preaching] nor just a case of spending fudge all, hanging on for a change in circumstances so the club and license has some value and WelNix will sell the club [like I have been spouting].

Who said the Phoenix were a charity? What the owners have always said is they want the Phoenix to break even and aren't prepared to fund it for ever, it seems as though some want to pull out before others. Members of WelNix have said that they view the Phoenix as something philanthropic for Wellington. They do not expect to make a return on their investment.

What's clear is they want to find a larger club to buy into them to create a pathway.

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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

I don't agree with your thought process behind not commenting. That would only apply if the club were going to flat out deny any conversations had occurred at all. I think the interview was a good outcome for the club, in my mind anyway, I'm very clear about where they stand and I can only reach that conclusion because Rob Morrison made this appearance. All of us will put our little spin on what it all means but a couple of things I'm quite prepared to accept unconditionally are:

1. The ownership group are in this for the right reasons.

2. They are spending money in a manner that is not conducive to best business practice.

3. They totally support a change to the A League model, from FFA control to independence.

4. The ongoing survival of the club [in any form] is dependent on an new independent A League with a sustainable business model.

I still believe that they have been very prudent in not spending the required amount of money to be competitive in the A League. But accept that is totally understandable under the circumstances. They are holding out for significant change to give the club stability and some real monetary value. I also think there is nothing wrong with that - as they have every right to expect a chance to make money from the club.

What I do appreciate is the fact that Rob Morrisson has laid it all out on the table that the club's future depends on a new A League and that will guide them on what they do next in terms of making this a club with some value to both them, the fans and the league. 

I hope we can agree that its not purely an act of charity to own the club [as many in this forum keep preaching] nor just a case of spending fudge all, hanging on for a change in circumstances so the club and license has some value and WelNix will sell the club [like I have been spouting].

Who said the Phoenix were a charity? What the owners have always said is they want the Phoenix to break even and aren't prepared to fund it for ever, it seems as though some want to pull out before others. Members of WelNix have said that they view the Phoenix as something philanthropic for Wellington. They do not expect to make a return on their investment.

What's clear is they want to find a larger club to buy into them to create a pathway.

Unknown editor edited April 24, 2018 05:29
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

I don't agree with your thought process behind not commenting. That would only apply if the club were going to flat out deny any conversations had occurred at all. I think the interview was a good outcome for the club, in my mind anyway, I'm very clear about where they stand and I can only reach that conclusion because Rob Morrison made this appearance. All of us will put our little spin on what it all means but a couple of things I'm quite prepared to accept unconditionally are:

1. The ownership group are in this for the right reasons.

2. They are spending money in a manner that is not conducive to best business practice.

3. They totally support a change to the A League model, from FFA control to independence.

4. The ongoing survival of the club [in any form] is dependent on an new independent A League with a sustainable business model.

I still believe that they have been very prudent in not spending the required amount of money to be competitive in the A League. But accept that is totally understandable under the circumstances. They are holding out for significant change to give the club stability and some real monetary value. I also think there is nothing wrong with that - as they have every right to expect a chance to make money from the club.

What I do appreciate is the fact that Rob Morrisson has laid it all out on the table that the club's future depends on a new A League and that will guide them on what they do next in terms of making this a club with some value to both them, the fans and the league. 

I hope we can agree that its not purely an act of charity to own the club [as many in this forum keep preaching] nor just a case of spending fudge all, hanging on for a change in circumstances so the club and license has some value and WelNix will sell the club [like I have been spouting].

Who said the Phoenix were a charity? What the owners have always said is they want the Phoenix to break even and aren't prepared to fund it for ever, it seems as though some want to pull out before others. Members of WelNix have said that they view the Phoenix as something philanthropic for Wellington. They do not expect to make a return on their investment.

Unknown editor edited April 24, 2018 05:28
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

I don't agree with your thought process behind not commenting. That would only apply if the club were going to flat out deny any conversations had occurred at all. I think the interview was a good outcome for the club, in my mind anyway, I'm very clear about where they stand and I can only reach that conclusion because Rob Morrison made this appearance. All of us will put our little spin on what it all means but a couple of things I'm quite prepared to accept unconditionally are:

1. The ownership group are in this for the right reasons.

2. They are spending money in a manner that is not conducive to best business practice.

3. They totally support a change to the A League model, from FFA control to independence.

4. The ongoing survival of the club [in any form] is dependent on an new independent A League with a sustainable business model.

I still believe that they have been very prudent in not spending the required amount of money to be competitive in the A League. But accept that is totally understandable under the circumstances. They are holding out for significant change to give the club stability and some real monetary value. I also think there is nothing wrong with that - as they have every right to expect a chance to make money from the club.

What I do appreciate is the fact that Rob Morrisson has laid it all out on the table that the club's future depends on a new A League and that will guide them on what they do next in terms of making this a club with some value to both them, the fans and the league. 

I hope we can agree that its not purely an act of charity to own the club [as many in this forum keep preaching] nor just a case of spending fudge all, hanging on for a change in circumstances so the club and license has some value and WelNix will sell the club [like I have been spouting].

Who said the Phoenix were a charity, what the owners have always said is they want the Phoenix to break even and aren't prepared to fund it for ever, it seems as though some want to pull out before others. Members of WelNix have said that they view the Phoenix as something philanthropic for Wellington. They do not expect to make a return on their investment.