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Posted May 04, 2018 02:58 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:34

ballane wrote:

Again i get all that NP but im not convinced even if the owners succeed taking over that we would be able to survive another season like the last couple. Yes you will get us tragics still attending but that would be about all. Dont think im alone in saying it has been bloody hard staying motivated the last couple of seasson.( if it wasnt for may attendance record i dont think i would have dragged myself to some games)

I really dont think we can afford another season like the last couple as i fear for what the support levels may be at should that happen.

[quote=Napier Phoenix]

I get that too but I think NZ sports crowds generally are fair weather fans [and I class myself in that category]. The club couldn't carry on the way they have in recent years with poor coach and player selection and general [perceived] disregard for the fans and expect support. They would need to 'piss or get off the pot" if their future in the A League was secure. If they weren't prepared to do so, then they would need to sell to someone that will. Before people start shouting that you don't make any money out of sports teams and who would buy them any way - that's simply not true. There are plenty of people and groups that do and there always seems to be buyers looking for good clubs playing in good competitions that don't throttle their clubs financially and keep all of the cream themselves.

[quote=coochiee]

How many HAL teams make a profit, of don’t run at loss currently?

[quote=Blew.2]

 "ZERO" that is why Nix are backing (at a cost in the media/FFA) The Independent A-League so strongly

[quote=coochiee]

Even the Victory with their home crowds of over 20K, can't make a profit, I think little prospect Nix really ever will. Sure Independent A-League will make a difference..........

That's why confused by NP's comments above. There are no other NZ buyers of the Nix. That's unless Terry S resurfaces!

The only buyers are in Australia (new expansion applicants), and they will move team to Australia, ie want the licence only.

As Dome said on podcast if it wasn't for current owners (and you can criticise them all you want), the club will just fold as a NZ entity. I don't think current owners disregard the fans at all. Also there is no 'cream' for them to keep, if that's what you are inferring.

Sorry getting off topic in this coaching thread.

[quote=james dean]

Who can say there are no NZ buyers when the club is not for sale?

I believe owners when they say club/licence ain't for sale to anyone, (eg new A League expansion bidder) who just wants the licence to setup their new team in Australia.

However if a NZ buyer/consortium, approached the Welnix and said we want to buy the Nix, and keep them in Wellington - I'm sure the owners would be all ears. Not saying they would sell, but given they are bleeding cash into the football club monthly, and a guy like Morgan obviously wants out - for the right price a deal could be done.

Any rich enough Kiwi, who loves football, and would want to buy/buy into the Nix would know that. Yet from what we know no-one in NZ has tabled an offer to Welnix. Sounds like no one in NZ has even offered, to buy a part share in the Nix, or come in as a new investor - which is why Morrison has openly said they are looking to Australia for investors/equity partners/white knights.

Do you know anyone in NZ, who would be game enough to buy the Nix, or buy a part share?? Likely candidates very thin I the ground I imagine.

Two that do very randomly spring to mind for me, are not born Kiwis - but have solid football ties now to NZ. Both probably very much longshots, but wouldn't hurt for Rob to give them a ring! Don't ask, don't know.

Haruhisa Handa - obviously sponsors the Handy Prem, is very rich, and once was the major sponsor of South African PSL club team Mpumalanga Black Aces for two years. Being a sponsor is different to becoming a club owner/part owner, but Handa san seems a very random sort of dude, with all sorts of different sponsorships &  philanthropic causes.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

Viatcheslav (Slava) Meyn - another rich dude who loves football. Set up Christchurch Football Academy, and mutimillion dollar sports facility in the Garden City. At a guess seems more a guy who likes to setup projects, than buy a football team, but again who knows.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/65...

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ballane wrote:

Again i get all that NP but im not convinced even if the owners succeed taking over that we would be able to survive another season like the last couple. Yes you will get us tragics still attending but that would be about all. Dont think im alone in saying it has been bloody hard staying motivated the last couple of seasson.( if it wasnt for may attendance record i dont think i would have dragged myself to some games)

I really dont think we can afford another season like the last couple as i fear for what the support levels may be at should that happen.

[quote=Napier Phoenix]

I get that too but I think NZ sports crowds generally are fair weather fans [and I class myself in that category]. The club couldn't carry on the way they have in recent years with poor coach and player selection and general [perceived] disregard for the fans and expect support. They would need to 'piss or get off the pot" if their future in the A League was secure. If they weren't prepared to do so, then they would need to sell to someone that will. Before people start shouting that you don't make any money out of sports teams and who would buy them any way - that's simply not true. There are plenty of people and groups that do and there always seems to be buyers looking for good clubs playing in good competitions that don't throttle their clubs financially and keep all of the cream themselves.

[quote=coochiee]

How many HAL teams make a profit, of don’t run at loss currently?

[quote=Blew.2]

 "ZERO" that is why Nix are backing (at a cost in the media/FFA) The Independent A-League so strongly

[quote=coochiee]

Even the Victory with their home crowds of over 20K, can't make a profit, I think little prospect Nix really ever will. Sure Independent A-League will make a difference..........

That's why confused by NP's comments above. There are no other NZ buyers of the Nix. That's unless Terry S resurfaces!

The only buyers are in Australia (new expansion applicants), and they will move team to Australia, ie want the licence only.

As Dome said on podcast if it wasn't for current owners (and you can criticise them all you want), the club will just fold as a NZ entity. I don't think current owners disregard the fans at all. Also there is no 'cream' for them to keep, if that's what you are inferring.

Sorry getting off topic in this coaching thread.

[quote=james dean]

Who can say there are no NZ buyers when the club is not for sale?

I believe owners when they say club/licence ain't for sale to anyone, (eg new A League expansion bidder) who just wants the licence to setup their new team in Australia.

However if a NZ buyer/consortium, approached the Welnix and said we want to buy the Nix, and keep them in Wellington - I'm sure the owners would be all ears. Not saying they would sell, but given they are bleeding cash into the football club monthly, and a guy like Morgan obviously wants out - for the right price a deal could be done.

Any rich enough Kiwi, who loves football, and would want to buy/buy into the Nix would know that. Yet from what we know no-one in NZ has tabled an offer to Welnix. Sounds like no one in NZ has even offered, to buy a part share in the Nix, or come in as a new investor - which is why Morrison has openly said they are looking to Australia for investors/equity partners/white knights.

Do you know anyone in NZ, who would be game enough to buy the Nix, or buy a part share?? Likely candidates very thin I the ground I imagine.

Two that do very randomly spring to mind for me, are not born Kiwis - but have solid football ties now to NZ. Both probably very much longshots, but wouldn't hurt for Rob to give them a ring! Don't ask, don't know.

Haruhisa Handa - obviously sponsors the Handy Prem, is very rich, and once was the major sponsor of South African PSL club team Mpumalanga Black Aces for two years. Being a sponsor is different to becoming a club owner/part owner, but Handa san seems a very random sort of dude, with all sorts of different sponsorships &  philanthropic causes.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

Viatcheslav (Slava) Meyn - another rich dude who loves football. Set up Christchurch Football Academy, and mutimillion dollar sports facility in the Garden City. At a guess seems more a guy who likes to setup projects, than buy a football team, but again who knows.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/65...