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Posted November 16, 2012 09:52 · last edited November 16, 2012 09:56

el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Leggy wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I laugh at the people saying Tim Brown did this for us and Tim Brown did that for us. 12 months ago, he was the invisible man for us and now he did all this stuff. It was the same when Lochhead was out injured and he was rubbish before hand but people found out exactly what he did when he was not there.


We're not missing Brown in the way that some people are suggesting here. 


I don't think we are missing Tim at all.
But here we are a year on still talking about our midfield and I read someone suggest Manny has not stepped up? Hmmm....

We're not missing his contribution in midfield - if anything, Smith does a much better job in the middle third of the field than Brown. What we are missing is Brown's presence in the attacking third - his late arrivals into the box, and his willingness to push forward when the forwards dropped into deeper positions to receive passes or press the defenders.


I think this is quite important.  With our style you need someone willing to compete physically in the box which leads to chances - it's not pretty but it's been pretty effective.  We've got this vague idea of passing it round a bit more but it's not working so we go back to the old faithful, pass wide then sling it in the box.

Brownie was a limited player but he was an important part of our success.  He scored 23 goals in 112 games, 1 in 5, and especially last year he scored goals that won us points.

We say we have more firepower with Brockie in the side, but his goal scoring record is actually about the same (18 in 78 if you include Sydney and the Knights - possibly a bit unfair I suppose).

Criticism of Manny is unfair, he's an absolute terrier in the midfield, but he needs someone along side him who can pass the ball.  Smith just doesn't have the ability to break the game open with the ball at his feet.  And like Brown he's not got enough about his game to play in a two man midfield.  

We tried something similar last year for a while, and the year before (some variant of 4-4-2) and it's always fallen over in the middle of the park - I just think we have to recognise our weakness in that position and accept that we need a midfield 3 to compete, even if it's ugly.

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james dean edited November 16, 2012 09:56
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Leggy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I laugh at the people saying Tim Brown did this for us and Tim Brown did that for us. 12 months ago, he was the invisible man for us and now he did all this stuff. It was the same when Lochhead was out injured and he was rubbish before hand but people found out exactly what he did when he was not there.


We're not missing Brown in the way that some people are suggesting here. 


I don't think we are missing Tim at all.
But here we are a year on still talking about our midfield and I read someone suggest Manny has not stepped up? Hmmm....

We're not missing his contribution in midfield - if anything, Smith does a much better job in the middle third of the field than Brown. What we are missing is Brown's presence in the attacking third - his late arrivals into the box, and his willingness to push forward when the forwards dropped into deeper positions to receive passes or press the defenders.


I think this is quite important.  With our style you need someone willing to compete physically in the box which leads to chances - it's not pretty but it's been pretty effective.  We've got this vague idea of passing it round a bit more but it's not working so we go back to the old faithful, pass wide then sling it in the box.
Brownie was a limited player but he was an important part of our success.  He scored 23 goals in 112 games, 1 in 5, and especially last year he scored goals that won us points.
We say we have more firepower with Brockie in the side, but his goal scoring record is actually about the same (18 in 78 if you include Sydney and the Knights - possibly a bit unfair I suppose).
Criticism of Manny is unfair, he's an absolute terrier in the midfield, but he needs someone along side him who can pass the ball.  Smith just doesn't have the ability to break the game open with the ball at his feet.  And like Brown he's not got enough about his game to play in a two man midfield.  
We tried something similar last year for a while, and the year before (some variant of 4-4-2) and it's always fallen over in the middle of the park - I just think we have to recognise our weakness in that position and accept that we need a midfield 3 to compete, even if it's ugly.