R1 vs Perth Glory | Sunday 12th Oct | 5pm | RoF

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austin10 wrote:

I'm a big Ernie fan but I was surprised by our set up and tactics in our Perth game. We played a very narrow game.....which is fine if its executed well. However it was often difficult to see what the tactics were when we were in the final third. Where was weemacs outlets when he went wide?. He was obviously told not to cross it and keep it on the deck. Weemac was outstanding at CCM wide in a diamond midfield....but he outlets in smart players like Flores as an outlet

I agree. We were horribly narrow and it was horrible to watch for the most part.

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james dean wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Bevan wrote:

It's not a fact.

It's an opinion.

Look, it's arguing semantics, but I believe I was stating facts, at least the opinion of our front five being a bit underdone was based on facts.  And looking at it a bit more closely I am even more inclined to say we were underdone before Perth.

Rodriquez had not played for three weeks before the Sydney game.  And he played only 45mins of that. 

The week before that we played without Rodriquez v Jets and played nearly half the game against 10.  That was McG's first game for us, he was not match fit and faded in that game.  The other game in Sydney was all the rest of the squad.

I believe it is a fact that those are the only serious games we have had with the current starting combination in their current roles.  That's 45mins with Riera, Rodriquez, McG and Rolly together against decent opposition.

JD's claim that we'd had a month together unchanged is simply wrong.

Then against Canterbury United, Ernie had made mega subs by half time.  I turned up late and none of the combinations I wanted to see together were on the pitch.

So including the CU game I believe it is a fact that Rodriquez's match play combination with Rolly and Riera was at most 90mins long, before we played Perth.  None of that is opinion.  I am either correct or wrong on the facts.  Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am.

The guts of what I was saying was that we will improve, because we had not had as much time together as you'd think, or like.  I'm sticking with that opinion.

On top of that limited time together, Burns, Rolly and McG are all being asked to play in unfamiliar roles, to varying degrees. I think that much is also fact, not opinion. Plus I'd argue Rodriquez's role has changed substantially with both he and Rolly playing with Riera, compared to the role he played earlier in the FU games.  I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these guys develop together through the season.

Our preparation is entirely within our control.  If we go into the season underdone, and other teams go into the season well prepared with their combinations working, then I am not willing to say "oh well that's fine, we were a bit underdone".  I look at that as a problem with our build up.  The team have been prepping for 5 months!

Anyway, next game we can hopefully get rid of the nerves and start afresh.  Season starts here!



Semantics are the mechanism by which arguments are presented. Beliefs or facts are stated, their meaning is discussed using logical or lexical semantics. Ergo, semantics cannot be argued. Here endeth the lesson...or I'm drunk and being a Pommie tw@t :-)  
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martinb wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

martinb wrote:

I don't think we've been tested in a game situation in over a month. That fair? And apparently we had a game against ACFC lined up that we pulled out of.

We had a game against WSW lined up that they pulled out of after making the ACL semi final. 

I was told by some people who know some ACFC people that the 'Nix were going to play them in Welly and it got canned by the 'Nix

Guessing that was when they played Canterbury United instead perhaps? Or it might have been the week the All Whites were away?

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hlmphil wrote:

Re: Brockie - I wouldn't be surprised if the next few games are the last chance for him to shine or Merrick will start moving him on. Happened last season with Leo - Ernie gave him a shot by starting him for his first two games (after AWs), then moved to being used a bit as a sub, then goneski.

but how can Brockie be so consistently shit , and still have all the goes rather than Krishna?

To me Brockie aint a footballer. He can score a great goal now and then if the ball falls near him and hes facing the right way.

There is plenty of angst here for our defence, which is fair enough, but it wasn't the defence that disappointed me on Sunday, it was our shape and threat (or lack of it) going forward. Ive seen sides play at home with next to no defence - they spent all day attacking. We again looked like the away team on Sunday for me.

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2ndBest wrote:

martinb wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

martinb wrote:

I don't think we've been tested in a game situation in over a month. That fair? And apparently we had a game against ACFC lined up that we pulled out of.

We had a game against WSW lined up that they pulled out of after making the ACL semi final. 

I was told by some people who know some ACFC people that the 'Nix were going to play them in Welly and it got canned by the 'Nix

Guessing that was when they played Canterbury United instead perhaps? Or it might have been the week the All Whites were away?

my memory of this conversation is a little hazy...

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Fenix wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

Re: Brockie - I wouldn't be surprised if the next few games are the last chance for him to shine or Merrick will start moving him on. Happened last season with Leo - Ernie gave him a shot by starting him for his first two games (after AWs), then moved to being used a bit as a sub, then goneski.

but how can Brockie be so consistently shit , and still have all the goes rather than Krishna?

To me Brockie aint a footballer. He can score a great goal now and then if the ball falls near him and hes facing the right way.

There is plenty of angst here for our defence, which is fair enough, but it wasn't the defence that disappointed me on Sunday, it was our shape and threat (or lack of it) going forward. Ive seen sides play at home with next to no defence - they spent all day attacking. We again looked like the away team on Sunday for me.

Consistently sh*t = golden boot contender? 

I'm willing to give him a go this year. Yes, he wasn't very good at all last season. But it was off the back of a good season (goals wise) where he contended for the golden boot and then he went to Toronto in the offseason which I'm willing to use as an excuse for his poor season IF he proves it with some good performances this season. 

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Having had a few days to forget about what I saw live, I just watched the TV coverage and I am far more optimistic than I was at 7pm on Sunday.

Between the 5th minute and Perth's first goal we were absolutely on top and should have scored twice at least. It does raise the spectre of the Not A Striker meme, but we will score plenty of goals this season if we can consistently create that many chances. Apart from the mistakes for the two goals, I think we defended fairly well, and through Doyle cost us a goal, he made two or three absolutely key interventions. He will learn from the mistakes, I am sure. However, Siggy probably shouldn't be trying to split two players with his passes. People have complained about Wee Mac not crossing from the left, but he often had no one to cross to, or no space to do it in. He can after all use his left foot. Finally, though we were ponderous at times, when we got the tempo up we looked really good.

One concern though. In preseason I heard Ernie talk about how he always wants at least four men getting into the box, but it was almost always only two or maybe three. I think that held up our attacks as much as anything.

In the end we had more shots, more shots on target, better shot accuracy (shots/shots on target - blocked shots), won more duels, had better passing and cross accuracies, and won a higher percentage of our tackles. Possession was almost exactly 50/50. The one stat that concerns me is how much better Perth were in the air (they won aerial duels 60% of the time). Sauce.

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Having had a few days to forget about what I saw live, I just watched the TV coverage and I am far more optimistic than I was at 7pm on Sunday.

Between the 5th minute and Perth's first goal we were absolutely on top and should have scored twice at least. It does raise the spectre of the Not A Striker meme, but we will score plenty of goals this season if we can consistently create that many chances. Apart from the mistakes for the two goals, I think we defended fairly well, and through Doyle cost us a goal, he made two or three absolutely key interventions. He will learn from the mistakes, I am sure. However, Siggy probably shouldn't be trying to split two players with his passes. People have complained about Wee Mac not crossing from the left, but he often had no one to cross to, or no space to do it in. He can after all use his left foot. Finally, though we were ponderous at times, when we got the tempo up we looked really good.

One concern though. In preseason I heard Ernie talk about how he always wants at least four men getting into the box, but it was almost always only two or maybe three. I think that held up our attacks as much as anything.

In the end we had more shots, more shots on target, better shot accuracy (shots/shots on target - blocked shots), won more duels, had better passing and cross accuracies, and won a higher percentage of our tackles. Possession was almost exactly 50/50. The one stat that concerns me is how much better Perth were in the air (they won aerial duels 60% of the time). Sauce.

Its funny you say all of this because there are a couple of others that were at the game, went home and watched the replay and then went 'huh, that was not as bad as I watched live' posting similar commentary on here.

I see the McGlinchey opener and for once in the last 27 games, we had a later runner into the box (and we lamented all last year that we were missing Tim Brown for that very skill) and slotted it. Burns got down, there was a runner, another and I think there were 3 players in the box and I actually said to myself 'that's how an attack works'. Last year we could not do that at all. That spell you talk about from about 10 mins on in the 1st half was amazing to watch. The pieces are there, the execution is kinda there, its just needs a bit of chemistry now. That comes with time on the park. You can run 6 up Canty but judging by that, its seems not to be not too difficult a task considering the difference in leagues. Against actual resistance.....

I am optimistic.

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The goal is definitely a good example of Ernie's rule about getting bodies into the box, and when we were pushing for the winner we were getting three men in there consistently. Unfortunately, even then the rest of the team was miles back. On one occasion we had Brockie, Wee Mac, and Roly get into the box for a Burns cross, and when the ball was cleared you could see that Gorrin, the next-closest Nix player was only on the edge of the centre circle. I think that we may have had a different result if he had simply gotten forward more in support. Ernie may be tentative about leaving only one midfielder back after our defensive woes last season, but I think that it was his one possible real tactical failing in this game.

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Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?

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Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?

Like I said. Prepare to get pilloried....

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I am just going to post my smugness in saying that I didn't need to look at a replay to come to that viewpoint.

Still think we need a bit more thinking when attacking.

Marquee
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Fair enough.

I think for me personally it was just that bombing goal-scoring chances and giving up soft goals made me too pissy to appreciate the bits of the game where we weren't bombing chances or conceding soft goals.

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I guess that's why I was so high horse about the angst after 1 game. It was not the terrible performance people made it out to be.

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Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?


Errr....the result?
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LeSinge wrote:

Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?


Errr....the result?

Hmmm, you might be on to something there....
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LeSinge wrote:

Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?


Errr....the result?

Hmmm, you might be on to something there....



We had several chances which resulted from going 'down the middle' and Burns missed a great chance, which happens.
What disappointed me was the lack of width in attack. We scored from one of the few times we attacked wide with several people in the box.  The Nix squad is full of attacking midfielders rather than forwards, therefore we must create chances by going wide, putting the ball back into the box and players attacking the posts and/or space in the box 
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Warwick Hunt wrote:

LeSinge wrote:

Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?


Errr....the result?

Hmmm, you might be on to something there....



We had several chances which resulted from going 'down the middle' and Burns missed a great chance, which happens.
What disappointed me was the lack of width in attack. We scored from one of the few times we attacked wide with several people in the box.  The Nix squad is full of attacking midfielders rather than forwards, therefore we must create chances by going wide, putting the ball back into the box and players attacking the posts and/or space in the box 

The only trouble with that is that Merrick has said time and time again that he likes his teams to play narrowly

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Warwick Hunt wrote:

What disappointed me was the lack of width in attack. We scored from one of the few times we attacked wide with several people in the box.  The Nix squad is full of attacking midfielders rather than forwards, therefore we must create chances by going wide, putting the ball back into the box and players attacking the posts and/or space in the box 

Yeah, I agree. I cant say I like the shape of the team as its playing. Way too narrow for my liking, its not good to watch even if they end up being successful

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Warwick Hunt wrote:

LeSinge wrote:

Just had this game recorded and thought I'd put it on in the background while I did some chores this morning. Funnily enough, it's completely changed my take on the game, as others said above. Perth should have been a man down, but even without that we actually played some delicious football. 

I wonder what it was about seeing it live that made us all so negative?


Errr....the result?

Hmmm, you might be on to something there....

We had several chances which resulted from going 'down the middle' and Burns missed a great chance, which happens.
What disappointed me was the lack of width in attack. We scored from one of the few times we attacked wide with several people in the box.  The Nix squad is full of attacking midfielders rather than forwards, therefore we must create chances by going wide, putting the ball back into the box and players attacking the posts and/or space in the box 


Shine up yer boots sunshine, we're putting you on second half.........go long!

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