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Posted January 13, 2013 21:18 · last edited January 19, 2013 23:50

Whitby boy wrote:

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We all have our own views on whether Herbert can coach a higher standard - personally I don't think he can. I also think there is probably a fatigue factor with Herbert and some of the longer serving players - they've heard every team talk multiple times and maybe it's time for fresh ideas.

The positive I take out of the current shambles is there will be  a sort out in the next off season and there will be a much greater focus on recruitment than there has been in the past. My reservation is Herbert will have a conflict of interest - as Phoenix coach he may want to release Lochhead, Sigmund, and Paston (more due to his personal choice) but as All Whites coach he may want them playing regular football. Hopefully the owners will be making the final calls and will be seeking independent advice.

The last two points are pertinent in some respects. Players do tune out coaches after while when they have heard it all before but then look at the like of Ferguson, Wenger and then Jerry Sloan in the NBA. That have done 20 years.

The last point. Sigmund is not a starter for the AWs so not fussed (and I'd have Dura over him anyway so..), Lochhead is under pressure and it would seem a matter of time before a formation change or Hogg squeeze him out so not fussed. Paston... He is still performing but we have Moss, and Jake Gleeson and also Spoonley. Its not as conflicting as you might think.

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Whitby boy wrote:

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We all have our own views on whether Herbert can coach a higher standard - personally I don't think he can. I also think there is probably a fatigue factor with Herbert and some of the longer serving players - they've heard every team talk multiple times and maybe it's time for fresh ideas.

The positive I take out of the current shambles is there will be  a sort out in the next off season and there will be a much greater focus on recruitment than there has been in the past. My reservation is Herbert will have a conflict of interest - as Phoenix coach he may want to release Lochhead, Sigmund, and Paston (more due to his personal choice) but as All Whites coach he may want them playing regular football. Hopefully the owners will be making the final calls and will be seeking independent advice.

The last two points are pertinent in some respects. Players do tune out coaches after while when they have heard it all before but then look at the like of Ferguson, Wenger and then Jerry Sloan in the NBA. That have done 20 years.

The last point. Sigmund is not a starter for the AWs so not fussed (and I'd have Dura over him anyway so..), Lochhead is under pressure and it would seem a matter of time before a formation change or Hogg squeeze him out so not fussed. Paston... He is still performing but we have Moss, and Jake Gleeson and also Spoonley. Its not as conflicting as you might think.