Well, geez, my point stands: "politically correct" means nothing, it's just a snarl-world against the unfamiliar, used by the kind of people who oppose things that are different on general principle.
W League
gees you lot are talking a load of shark. Get on topic and tell us how a W League in Wgtn would work for invite to the league/players from where?/considerable $ source/whether the product is worth chasing/croud potential/and whether the W league will last..
So far LG will attend even though he has watched one game of womens footy in his life and has no idea about W Lge standard
i dont know why the only barometer of success seems to be croud numbers?
Women's football in NZ is financially much better off than men's because of the money from Sport NZ (or whatever it's called now) pumping money in the women's program - even the biggest sceptic of women's football can see that having a team in the W-League would help NZ women's footballers develop and that would help our national team and then it's not hard to get funding from SNZ in that case is it?
Add to the mix that NZ women's football is much higher in world ranking than men's football, and we could get into a situation like the US, where women's football gets the attention over the men's game.
As to where players will come from... well, where did the Nix get its players from? NZ players in overseas comps, Aussie mid-rankers, the occasional overseas wanderer. The big question is of course how NZF would react to women players being pulled south from Auckland. Perhaps we'd have to have a separate W League franchise based out of North Harbour, although I wouldn't give you good odds on that.
Its pretty clear the money is in the academy's. And also pretty clear that you need a carrot. And right now - there are no real carrots to stay playing in New Zealand. Even if you want to make the NZ women's team you have a much lower chance of making the team if you stay playing in the country. So having an option to play higher than the ASB women's summer league would be a HUGE drawcard. It would help football within Wellington and within New Zealand. Females don't necessarily play for $$, that's just a nice incentive. Maybe they could even have games at the basin, rather than the too big for the Phoenix cake tin?
i dont know why the only barometer of success seems to be croud numbers?
Women's football in NZ is financially much better off than men's because of the money from Sport NZ (or whatever it's called now) pumping money in the women's program - even the biggest sceptic of women's football can see that having a team in the W-League would help NZ women's footballers develop and that would help our national team and then it's not hard to get funding from SNZ in that case is it?
Who said it was? Just NP said he wouldn't watch
So we just need NZF to change their whole womens programme and SNZ to change their funding programme
Add to the mix that NZ women's football is much higher in world ranking than men's football, and we could get into a situation like the US, where women's football gets the attention over the men's game.
As to where players will come from... well, where did the Nix get its players from? NZ players in overseas comps, Aussie mid-rankers, the occasional overseas wanderer. The big question is of course how NZF would react to women players being pulled south from Auckland. Perhaps we'd have to have a separate W League franchise based out of North Harbour, although I wouldn't give you good odds on that.
NZ women's football is much higher ranked than than the men's because there are far more countries that men play football than women.
Add to the mix that NZ women's football is much higher in world ranking than men's football, and we could get into a situation like the US, where women's football gets the attention over the men's game.
As to where players will come from... well, where did the Nix get its players from? NZ players in overseas comps, Aussie mid-rankers, the occasional overseas wanderer. The big question is of course how NZF would react to women players being pulled south from Auckland. Perhaps we'd have to have a separate W League franchise based out of North Harbour, although I wouldn't give you good odds on that.
NZ women's football is much higher ranked than than the men's because there are far more countries that men play football than women.
Thanks captain obvious. Doesn't really detract from Doloras point though.
i dont know why the only barometer of success seems to be croud numbers?
Women's football in NZ is financially much better off than men's because of the money from Sport NZ (or whatever it's called now) pumping money in the women's program - even the biggest sceptic of women's football can see that having a team in the W-League would help NZ women's footballers develop and that would help our national team and then it's not hard to get funding from SNZ in that case is it?
Who said it was? Just NP said he wouldn't watch
So we just need NZF to change their whole womens programme and SNZ to change their funding programme
read back mate.
If you don't want to back a W-league team that's fine. Also i don't see where i said they need to change - a team in the W-league would just enhance what they are already doing.
i dont know why the only barometer of success seems to be croud numbers?
Women's football in NZ is financially much better off than men's because of the money from Sport NZ (or whatever it's called now) pumping money in the women's program - even the biggest sceptic of women's football can see that having a team in the W-League would help NZ women's footballers develop and that would help our national team and then it's not hard to get funding from SNZ in that case is it?
Who said it was? Just NP said he wouldn't watch
So we just need NZF to change their whole womens programme and SNZ to change their funding programme
read back mate.
If you don't want to back a W-league team that's fine. Also i don't see where i said they need to change - a team in the W-league would just enhance what they are already doing.
I have always backed womens football. Just watching people's lack of knowledge on the subject come to the fore here
OK I do accept that there would be benefit in the development of women players but all of this costs and where would the money come from? The gate is minimal, hard to see a TV deal when the men can't even get one (talking about NZ now), what exposure for a sponsor? If money comes from NZFA, means less for others, SNZ can't fund it I don't think because it isn't a national team or individual. Its all very well to say women's football is in better shape than men's, higher ranked in the world etc, but interest is pretty low, if no one wants to watch it and there is no wad of cash being given to keep it going ( a la cricket for all those years), then it will struggle.
Who's gonna be paying for all those transTasman flights and hotel rooms? Not just for us but for the Aussie opponents - will they be happy with having to spend the money to come here?
Who's gonna be paying for all those transTasman flights and hotel rooms? Not just for us but for the Aussie opponents - will they be happy with having to spend the money to come here?
Six figures in flights alone
Its pretty clear the money is in the academy's. And also pretty clear that you need a carrot. And right now - there are no real carrots to stay playing in New Zealand. Even if you want to make the NZ women's team you have a much lower chance of making the team if you stay playing in the country. So having an option to play higher than the ASB women's summer league would be a HUGE drawcard. It would help football within Wellington and within New Zealand. Females don't necessarily play for $$, that's just a nice incentive. Maybe they could even have games at the basin, rather than the too big for the Phoenix cake tin?
you think an elite womens football acsdemy would be a money spinner?
I wouldn't mind betting that Nix participation in the W League is probably linked to FFA faffing around with our license extension. I can't see them wanting to front with the readies for flights to and from NZ etc but if people recall in the beginning of the Warriors time they had to pay for all of the expenses of teams visiting NZ.
Add to the mix that NZ women's football is much higher in world ranking than men's football, and we could get into a situation like the US, where women's football gets the attention over the men's game.
As to where players will come from... well, where did the Nix get its players from? NZ players in overseas comps, Aussie mid-rankers, the occasional overseas wanderer. The big question is of course how NZF would react to women players being pulled south from Auckland. Perhaps we'd have to have a separate W League franchise based out of North Harbour, although I wouldn't give you good odds on that.
NZ women's football is much higher ranked than than the men's because there are far more countries that men play football than women.
Thanks captain obvious. Doesn't really detract from Doloras point though.
Being sarky does not improve your attitude.
I would go and watch W-league. In my opinion the one thing we (NZ) excell at is sport with few other competitors eg rugby and netball. Think of all those girls learning to play a sport that only 5 countries play when if there was a legitimate and obvious team where they could play at a high standard they may move to football instead. Maybe this is a case of build it and they will come rather than needing the fan base first.
Sorry, in response to feverish...
well look at the number of parents paying for their girls to attend FTC and NTC camps... We know they are getting more and more expensive, diluted in terms of talent (ftcs split regionally now), harder to stay in and the coaches are usually not announced until the squads are. So players (parents) really are buying somewhat blindly into the dream of helping their daughter to become a football fern when the chances are pretty slim as we all know...
So if an opportunity came up to be part of a girls phoenix academy, with known coaches, and an obvious pathway towards something bigger I think it would be hugely successful. And like with the boys academy it would also attract international interest from parents (more $).
On an aside Sport NZ have two big reasons to invest in women's football.
It is a growth sport, with one of the highest participation rates within NZ.
It is an Olympic Sport, with the women's team slowly but surely becoming a contender on the world stage.
I would go and watch W-league. In my opinion the one thing we (NZ) excell at is sport with few other competitors eg rugby and netball. Think of all those girls learning to play a sport that only 5 countries play when if there was a legitimate and obvious team where they could play at a high standard they may move to football instead. Maybe this is a case of build it and they will come rather than needing the fan base first.
My niece is a prime example: She comes from a football family and was really excelling for her age, playing with boys 2/3 years older than her but outside of the Ferns she had no women's role models/teams to look up to whereas Netball in Hamilton has a pro (?) team playing on TV.
She's now a very average netball player with little interest in football as its a "boys" sport.
I would go and watch W-league. In my opinion the one thing we (NZ) excell at is sport with few other competitors eg rugby and netball. Think of all those girls learning to play a sport that only 5 countries play when if there was a legitimate and obvious team where they could play at a high standard they may move to football instead. Maybe this is a case of build it and they will come rather than needing the fan base first.
My niece is a prime example: She comes from a football family and was really excelling for her age, playing with boys 2/3 years older than her but outside of the Ferns she had no women's role models/teams to look up to whereas Netball in Hamilton has a pro (?) team playing on TV.
She's now a very average netball player with little interest in football as its a "boys" sport.
Sorry, in response to feverish...
well look at the number of parents paying for their girls to attend FTC and NTC camps... We know they are getting more and more expensive, diluted in terms of talent (ftcs split regionally now), harder to stay in and the coaches are usually not announced until the squads are. So players (parents) really are buying somewhat blindly into the dream of helping their daughter to become a football fern when the chances are pretty slim as we all know...
So if an opportunity came up to be part of a girls phoenix academy, with known coaches, and an obvious pathway towards something bigger I think it would be hugely successful. And like with the boys academy it would also attract international interest from parents (more $).
On an aside Sport NZ have two big reasons to invest in women's football.
It is a growth sport, with one of the highest participation rates within NZ.
It is an Olympic Sport, with the women's team slowly but surely becoming a contender on the world stage.
Well a ‘participation’ academy would be popular if you could dodge FTC. It would provide a wage for the coaches and not much more. The Phoenix could do this easily. Having a participation academy is still miles away from W League.
An academy aimed at the more elite would require some serious finance streams. Ole are reliant on huge $ from trust funding. Nix are reliant on getting an end product of a squad signing or transfer fee to make/save $.
Regarding the SNZ funding people here are relying on- it is a two year funding amount to help with a set campaign. No guarantees after that as other sports can attest to. Not a great model for an on-going league involvement. This would involve NZF placing almost complete reliance on the W League for their WC prep including demanding all Ferns are based in Wgtn for this team IMO.
Other than this happening, in order to have a team in the W League in two years like Dome said – Henry T would need to chuck $.5m at it. He has been watching local women’s footy so who knows..
You couldn’t budget much (after initial novelty factor) for game attendance revenue IMO. Blew or Ken would need to sell a lot of sausages..
Sausages? I'm there.
Sausages? I'm there.
Sausages? I'm there.
If by legs you mean chicken drumsticks, then that just seals the deal!
as an interesting comparison how many of the Women's World Cup team just named are full professionals vs the most recent All whites side to play South Korea.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the number of NZ women playing pro was more than on the men's side based on playing numbers in NZ - can't find the information to substantiate that claim, so what do you guys think?
as an interesting comparison how many of the Women's World Cup team just named are full professionals vs the most recent All whites side to play South Korea.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the number of NZ women playing pro was more than on the men's side based on playing numbers in NZ - can't find the information to substantiate that claim, so what do you guys think?
Wrong thread?
I would go and watch W-league. In my opinion the one thing we (NZ) excell at is sport with few other competitors eg rugby and netball. Think of all those girls learning to play a sport that only 5 countries play when if there was a legitimate and obvious team where they could play at a high standard they may move to football instead. Maybe this is a case of build it and they will come rather than needing the fan base first.
My niece is a prime example: She comes from a football family and was really excelling for her age, playing with boys 2/3 years older than her but outside of the Ferns she had no women's role models/teams to look up to whereas Netball in Hamilton has a pro (?) team playing on TV.
She's now a very average netball player with little interest in football as its a "boys" sport.
No, I'm talking about the Nix effect. We have a pro/highly visible men's team playing regularly on TV. Our women have none of that for most womens team sports unless they resort to netball or god forbid.... women's rugby.
as an interesting comparison how many of the Women's World Cup team just named are full professionals vs the most recent All whites side to play South Korea.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the number of NZ women playing pro was more than on the men's side based on playing numbers in NZ - can't find the information to substantiate that claim, so what do you guys think?
Wrong thread?
I would go and watch W-league. In my opinion the one thing we (NZ) excell at is sport with few other competitors eg rugby and netball. Think of all those girls learning to play a sport that only 5 countries play when if there was a legitimate and obvious team where they could play at a high standard they may move to football instead. Maybe this is a case of build it and they will come rather than needing the fan base first.
My niece is a prime example: She comes from a football family and was really excelling for her age, playing with boys 2/3 years older than her but outside of the Ferns she had no women's role models/teams to look up to whereas Netball in Hamilton has a pro (?) team playing on TV.
She's now a very average netball player with little interest in football as its a "boys" sport.
No, I'm talking about the Nix effect. We have a pro/highly visible men's team playing regularly on TV. Our women have none of that for most womens team sports unless they resort to netball or god forbid.... women's rugby.
as an interesting comparison how many of the Women's World Cup team just named are full professionals vs the most recent All whites side to play South Korea.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the number of NZ women playing pro was more than on the men's side based on playing numbers in NZ - can't find the information to substantiate that claim, so what do you guys think?
Wrong thread?
Oh why is it relative?
as an interesting comparison how many of the Women's World Cup team just named are full professionals vs the most recent All whites side to play South Korea.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the number of NZ women playing pro was more than on the men's side based on playing numbers in NZ - can't find the information to substantiate that claim, so what do you guys think?
Wrong thread?
Oh why is it relative?
Just turned 12.00 - Liquid Lunch Time
ah because it's a way to get women playing professionally (or semi professionally) closer to home - surely the if there is a large pool at the moment playing pro overseas then we have a shot of actually putting a team out that would be somewhat competitive.
Thought we should talk about that before we decided that it can't make money so don't bother...
ah because it's a way to get women playing professionally (or semi professionally) closer to home - surely the if there is a large pool at the moment playing pro overseas then we have a shot of actually putting a team out that would be somewhat competitive.
Thought we should talk about that before we decided that it can't make money so don't bother...
At present we have a 14(?) week amateur franchise league after 20 week winter club season. It's not much is it? We should be supporting any move to a semi/pro league in our region, because it gives more players an opportunity and hopefully some spotlight to the womens game. End of.
At present we have a 14(?) week amateur franchise league after 20 week winter club season. It's not much is it? We should be supporting any move to a semi/pro league in our region, because it gives more players an opportunity and hopefully some spotlight to the womens game. End of.
W League is a 12 round comp running at same time as ASB women's league btw
At present we have a 14(?) week amateur franchise league after 20 week winter club season. It's not much is it? We should be supporting any move to a semi/pro league in our region, because it gives more players an opportunity and hopefully some spotlight to the womens game. End of.
W League is a 12 round comp running at same time as ASB women's league btw
True. FFA WOFP also identifies womens game as significant growth opportunity.
From little things, big things grow.
ah because it's a way to get women playing professionally (or semi professionally) closer to home - surely the if there is a large pool at the moment playing pro overseas then we have a shot of actually putting a team out that would be somewhat competitive.
Thought we should talk about that before we decided that it can't make money so don't bother...
i assume you posted this because you couldn't be bothered counting - it's 7 by the way.
ah because it's a way to get women playing professionally (or semi professionally) closer to home - surely the if there is a large pool at the moment playing pro overseas then we have a shot of actually putting a team out that would be somewhat competitive.
Thought we should talk about that before we decided that it can't make money so don't bother...
i assume you posted this because you couldn't be bothered counting - it's 7 by the way.
arent there 9? ;)
ah because it's a way to get women playing professionally (or semi professionally) closer to home - surely the if there is a large pool at the moment playing pro overseas then we have a shot of actually putting a team out that would be somewhat competitive.
Thought we should talk about that before we decided that it can't make money so don't bother...
i assume you posted this because you couldn't be bothered counting - it's 7 by the way.
arent there 9? ;)
not unless your counting the college ones which I would have thought don't count as pros
I wonder how netball ever got popular in this country since its only a womens sport and most men would not watch it.............