General Ninja A-League Discussions

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3 months ago
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3 months ago
Don't the Nix have the most full time ALW staff of any club in the women's comp?
An extra $1M spend per club on their women's team, won't be easy.

Canberra United the only standalone women's pro club, had to get an ACT Govt bailout to survive.

The next A Leagues media rights deal, is going to be crucial to the health of both the ALM & ALW going forward.


Australia’s football players have called for a dramatic change to the A-League Women competition after the Asian Cup, demanding full-time professionalism to be implemented, with a league overseen by a gender balanced independent commission, which they estimate will require an additional $1 million investment in each A-League Women’s side. 

In a report released on Wednesday by the Professional Footballers Australia, the organisation laid out its recommendations to ensure football in Australia seizes the generational opportunity presented by the women’s football movement that has swept Europe and North America, looking at the A-League Women as an opportunity and not a burden. It describes the sport’s approach to the A-League Women as “missing the potential phenomenon sitting under their nose”. 

The report lashes the perceived shortcomings of the competition as it stands, headlined by a decline in crowds in 2024-2025, a talent exodus because of the semi-professional environment, a lack of fan engagement and visibility within that semi-professional environment with insufficient promotion, and a board at the helm of the APL that, they say, “do not appear to have a sufficient focus on women’s football”, while also falling short of a 40:40:20 gender commitment. 

Referencing the tipping point faced by the Matildas in 2015 when they went on strike, this report suggests the league is now balancing on a similar ledger. “The players stood firm and within a decade, the Matildas would be generating tens of millions of dollars for the federation each year,” the report states. “In hindsight, professionalising the Matildas was an opportunity the game could not afford to miss.” 

While noting that progress has been made since the last Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2017, the PFA adds: “Progress has been drastically outpaced by the rest of women’s football and by other domestic women’s sport.

“The result is the ALW has fallen backwards in relative terms.”

Echoing calls made in the annual reports undertaken by the players’ union each season, this report doubles down on the call for change in the governance model of the APL – based on the assessment that since separation from Football Australia, a litany of mistakes have the A-Leagues in a remedial position, with the A-League Women’s issues exacerbated. An independent board with increased football and women’s football expertise, it argues, will avoid decisions made in the self interest of clubs who are represented on the board, and is a need while the only “guardrail” stopping this is Football Australia. 

The report also formally lays out an idea that has been mentioned with greater frequency in the last year: separating the two leagues. “As the ALW further matures, consideration must ultimately be given as to whether it is in the game’s long-term interests for the ALW and the ALM to be owned and run by the same entity,” the report states. 

Within this, a new criteria is suggested to ensure quality control around the competition with a collaborative approach between the FA, APL and PFA – indicating that if the current clubs’ women’s programs don’t meet these benchmarks around the market, ownership and high performance, they aren’t the right teams. 
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3 months ago
Not sure i really get how people expect the womans game to stand independently 
So what they expect people to front and run fully proffesional clubs. Just how is that going to be in any way sustainable given the crowds that are turning up. Everyone seems to want and expects a fully proffesional league but crowd numbers just arnt backing that up.
Not sure i understand how they expect the womans clubs to be independent on the back of those crowds. Sadly think for the moment they need to be aligned to a mens team.
Maybe they need to do a bit more work and try and find out why people arnt going to the womans games.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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brtheprof
3 months ago · edited 3 months ago · History
Well the Nix ALW side at the moment are probably attracting crowds only 1,500 to 2,000 smaller than the ALM side. Plus playing in a much cheaper venue, and with a substantially lower wages bill.

But then you have factors like what is the sponsorship revenue split, media rights revenue split etc etc

You'd keep an accountant busy for a while, separating all that out.

Basically both leagues are struggling with low crowds, substantially lower media rights revenue (compared to the Fox Sports glory days), few big name marquee players and wasteful spending/mismanagement by the APL (Keep Up saga).
In the past the ALW had a heap of high profile Matildas players. Not anymore.

Would be great if the ALW could go full time pro. It's a noble goal. But hard to see it happening any time soon.

Though not perfect, I'd say currently Welnix's spending on it's women's team, is the standard that should be met first by all the other clubs. When all the ALW teams are resourced as well as the Wahinix apparently are, then you try to raise the bar further, with yes full time professionalism the end goal.
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LGWanderingSheep
3 months ago · edited 3 months ago · History
To be honest I am finding some of the various Women's teams more enjoyable to watch than some of the men's games. We are so lucky at the Nix to have both teams running. Some of the Aussie crowds are disappointing. The players work their butt's off in som  trying conditions. All football fans need to get behind both men' s and Women's pro football or it will very sadly die.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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AntzRaSimon B
3 months ago
A full professional womens league would be fantastic and hopefully one day we will see it happen.
However many of the issues that have been bought up in the womens game, lower crowd numbers, lack of promotion etc are exactly the same issues that dog the mens AL.
Financially the mens AL appears to be just hanging on  with one cub gone and another, CCM in big trouble.
We will see more belt tightening. I heard a rumour that the CCM womens team might be mothballed and the long term funding of the Canberra team is not assured. There is also no noise of an AFC womens team. 
If anything I would be more worried about the WAL surviving than the prospect of it going full pro. 
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3 months ago
I think in the next couple of years we will see a hybrid of the women’s NPL and ALW comps. Most ALW clubs now have NPL sides..
Not a huge difference in quantity.
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Perth Glory Women's coach Stephen Peters has criticised a lack of investment in the women's A-League, which he says has not reaped the benefits of the Matildas' success at the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup.

In recent years, the Glory's women's side has been Perth's saving grace, as the men's team suffered back-to-back wooden-spoon finishes.

Despite this, they consistently draw a small, but dedicated, home crowd of just under 1,000 people, while the Glory men's worst Perth audience this season was just over 5,000.

Interesting that the numbers at our women’s games are roughly in line with theirs even though the men’s are falling short - not sure how much to read into that though.

Also interesting how Peters brings up the Tillies because I was going to post here to say how impressive their support was at the Ferns’ games recently. For all there are lots of obvious differences between their profile and the ALW, they’re proof that “people simply aren’t as interested in the women’s game” isn’t true.

I get the chicken and egg problem with putting more money into the ALW, but it also works the other way: without investment the league will continue to fall short of its potential, and we’ll keep losing our best players for the simple reason that they need to pay the bills.

As Ballane said, it’d be worth some research into why people do or don’t turn up to the women’s games and how to better target (and expand) the demographic who do. For example one thing I’ve noticed is that we seem to get a lot more families at them - for all kids mean less revenue per seat it’s still better than those seats sitting empty.
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LG
3 months ago
Alot of it has t come down to the choice of where I spend my "play money".
Think about what football is competing with in Aus and NZ, just sport wise - cricket, league, rugby, AFL - those are all very established sports and are engrained in the aussie/nz psyche. 
Money is tight so unless you absolutely passionate about a club or team you're not spending your hard earned on tickets and merch. Look at the Warriors in NZ, they pack their stadium weekly, yet rugby and cricket in auckland struggle to get anywhere near their attendance - across NZ its the same, no sporting event in NZ come close.
Aus is a little different, their established sports get decent attendances by NZ standards, but even the the numbers at the Ashes tests have dropped.

Getting passed that "money is tight" decision is key, you have to get the buy in from the community so you get the" buy the ticket before buying lunch" mentality.
Neither the women's nor men's Aleague have that kind of support yet.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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3 months ago
The Wahinix games have been great experiences at Porirua. Games have been exciting, its a great venue, well supported by ALW standards), lots of families go and lots of young girl fans (most likely junior players themselves) The crowds there have a very different demographic to any other football crowd in NZ and most other sports - they represent a promising future for the sport.  Its obviously a success in terms of bringing more people into the sport (especially in to women's football). The impact of Samba has also also unique - with the great Nepali supporters but also generally. And remember each kid has parents and friends that get drawn in and things like the Macca Pass adds to that. For me the Wahinix are currently the best thing about football in NZ. Porirua Park is physically a great venue, has a better atmosphere than Sky Stadium, and is only constrained a bit by its location and resulting accessibility. If you're OK driving out there though its easy. I wonder what Wahinix crowds would be like if Porirua Stadium was located more centrally somewhere......
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AntzSimon B