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Not sure where it is online, but I have it. I will attempt to post it here shortly

Day 1

0845 C Red v Mid Cant Field #3

0845 N Cant v Otago Field #4

1010 Nelson v Cant Black Field #1

1010 Selwyn v S Cant Field #2

1300 Otago v Mid Cant Field #3

1300 N Cant v Cant Red Field #4

1520 S Cant v Nelson Bays Field #1

1520 Cant Black v Selwyn Field #2

Day 2

0900 Cant Red v Otago

0900 M Cant v N Cant

0900 Bays v Selwyn

0900 Cant Black v S Cant

After these its semi finals and A1 v B2 style stuff.

Hope this is useful

Trialist
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Thanks for that draw for 15's boys mate, it is very helpful 

How about 16's boys for Timaru, any ideas?

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2 Canterbury sides must win their last group game to qualify for top8

Both Nth Canterbury and Selwyn already out of the running.

Be surprising if only 2 Canterbury sides made the  top8.

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Black v Grey in quarterfinal for 11's.

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foal30 wrote:

Black v Grey in quarterfinal for 11's.

Greys coming out winners 1-0 thanks to a Cooper Goldsmith goal

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I see Otago Blue v Otago Gold is one semi final in the boys 11 to be played at 10am tomorrow (Tues)

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BenchWarmer wrote:

foal30 wrote:

Black v Grey in quarterfinal for 11's.

Greys coming out winners 1-0 thanks to a Cooper Goldsmith goal

Get in there Coastal

Grey last Canterbury side standing, they play Nelson

Good day for Dougie in the 10's? 3 from 3?

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foal30 wrote:

BenchWarmer wrote:

foal30 wrote:

Black v Grey in quarterfinal for 11's.

Greys coming out winners 1-0 thanks to a Cooper Goldsmith goal

Get in there Coastal

Grey last Canterbury side standing, they play Nelson

Good day for Dougie in the 10's? 3 from 3?

Yep was a good day. Wins against Central Otago (2-0), CFA Gold (1-0) and Marlborough (3-1). Our two losses yesterday in Pool Play meant we were placed in a pool with five others teams to play off in a 6 Team Round Robin to determine positions 13-18. We have two games tomorrow, I think against West Coast and Mid Canty...

I'm not sure who are the top teams, but the final is tomorrow at 1230pm... 

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Nelson take the 11th grade, and Otago the 10th.

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Nelson Royal beat Otago Gold 1-0 in the 11th Grade Final

Central Otago Blue beat Nelson Black 3-0 in the 10th Grade Final

Full standings here - http://www.nelsonbaysfootball.co.nz/fileadmin/user...

Trialist
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Waimak United 10A boys and girls teams competed at Norwest club invitationals in Auckland. Boys lost 2 games all up missed out on 1/4's on goal diff with team 6-11 finishing equal. They lost to the winner 2-0 and plate winners 3-0.

Girls finished 4th, lost in semis to championship winners 2-0.

Mainland has a lot of work to catch up. The waimak boys and girls have both been unbeaten in there age groups for 2 years and the gap was massive. We need more competitive football with the top 6 sides playing instead of 3 close games a year. The auckland teams were on there 11th tough tournament of the year!

I could only see 3 sides from boys age group being in the top 30 sides in auckland and believe they would be working hard to be mid table

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where will these competitive games come from?

There are not 6 clubs who can run a top Div1 side in each grade. Only FC2011 and CTFC can cover each grade, Coastal, Halswell and Waimak each 2nd year. Hopefully Selwyn will be at this level soon. Bay's, Nomads and Parklands may intermittently have a good side. 

Putting in a Dual Age Band "Prems" 11/12, 13/14, 15/16, 17/18 would help but still not a guarantee of higher and more numerous tough games.

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totally agree that there aint 6 strong clubs in each grade. But there are whispers of change. 

Dual age banding sounds the most logical solution for saturday comps. 

Another idea is dual band monthly tournaments spread around the clubs.  For most teams we played in Kumeu it was there 10-11 tornament of the season. It is a lot of football but its what is required at a high standerd.

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Does anyone know a schedule for the 14 girls tournament at English Park this week?

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games start Tuesday 9:30 at Tullet Park.

Schedule is on the Mainland Website

2 groups of 5 teams.

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So it sounds like they are not following the WOF plan up north. Playing competitively makes them better competitors and gives them more game skills. Tournaments mean winners and losers - not what we need or so we are told.

I believe smaller, well graded, more even competition groups locally will certainly help at this age and at 11th grade.

Up until the changes our 11th and 12th grade Div One competitions were very good. 

Two years of non competition seems to have impacted on our results in Nelson also. Two years ago all four Canty teams made the last 8 in 11th grade. Not last year and not this year.

Clubs need to look closely at proposed changes from Mainland for 2015 and share some ideas of their own.

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I think prickly thistle that you and I are on the same bus and mainland is still learning to walk.

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G14 results not updated yet

B14, Selwyn off to a flyer, 9-1 v Sth Canterbury

Nth Canterbury win, Canterbury  Red 2 wins. 

Central Otago beat Nelson. IMO an upset.

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So it sounds like they are not following the WOF plan up north. Playing competitively makes them better competitors and gives them more game skills. Tournaments mean winners and losers - not what we need or so we are told.

I believe smaller, well graded, more even competition groups locally will certainly help at this age and at 11th grade.

Up until the changes our 11th and 12th grade Div One competitions were very good. 

Two years of non competition seems to have impacted on our results in Nelson also. Two years ago all four Canty teams made the last 8 in 11th grade. Not last year and not this year.

Clubs need to look closely at proposed changes from Mainland for 2015 and share some ideas of their own.

Unconvinced Nelson results have much to do with WOF relative to the  4 Canterbury sides. 11's and 12's have been good but were often the last year there was more than 2 sides capable of winning D1. 

Locally having more even comps would surely help. However there is certainly no uniformity in how the clubs wish to achieve this. Or in fact if they even want to. Fred your "hub" proposal has some great points but is still reliant on the clubs and coaches taking it on. Normally ideas that can appear to move autonomy away from Clubs is met with resistance.

Mainland did take ideas in from the clubs 6-8 weeks ago, showing my Coastal bias having the School First XI as a standalone Wed comp 

Would help us tremendously but dual age band even more so. But would dual age band prems help CTFC?

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Girls U 14 CHCH red had a last kick of the game win v Nelson, 2-1 I think; and were sashed by approx 4-5 goal margin by central Otago, who have 3-4 over age players as allowed under dispensation rules. CHCH black had entertaining 4-4 draw with Otago (dead set pen to CHCH not given late in the game); and comfortable 5-1 win over Selwyn.
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We seem to be getting very exercised over 9 year olds playing football. 9 year olds shouldn't be playing 11 tournaments a year, they should be having fun and enjoying themselves and simply enjoy play football. Too many adults just want to live their sporting lives through their kids. Gary Lineker was a pretty useful footballer and it is probably safe to assume he knows more about the game than all of us on here put together, his view - just let kids play. Life gets very hard soon enough without stressing about it in relation to football at age 9

Trialist
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so why were all the kids trying to arrange games against each other in the down times? They all wanted to play the top team.

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oh. And in the current mainland banding format who enjoys winning 10-0 and who enjoys losing by the same margin. Even with coach management moving players, only using opposite foot etc it still blows out. Its more likely to detract from the players enjoyment. We played teams this year where players refused to play the second half in tears. Is that our teams fault? I suppose the treehuggers and sandal wearers would say yes.

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Unfortunately one of the most important parts of the WOF is not given enough credence in Canterbury. From the age of 8/9 players need grading to ensure even competition and a competitive environment.

It is a major part of most of the development programmes across the world as researched for the WOF paper.

Some large cities with millions of inhabitants can have a number of centres and have a greater number of teams of similar quality, in Canterbury we have traditionally found that there are a competitive group of no more than 6 or 8 teams at the top level ages 10 through to 12.

Anyone who has worked regularly with players of these ages will know that indeed these are the years in which players really buy into the game. Placing them in quality competitions where they get one or two quality games a week and an environment where they can practice / play informally against similarly developed players within their club is a major contributor to true  development.

I still believe that we need to identify the best teams across the region and play them against each other from the age of 10. I do not care whether there are points at stake but do care about the quality of the competition.   

Trialist
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great reasoning prickly thistle. The points tally is certainly irrelevant. But the even grading is important

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socrates11 wrote:

We seem to be getting very exercised over 9 year olds playing football. 9 year olds shouldn't be playing 11 tournaments a year, they should be having fun and enjoying themselves and simply enjoy play football. Too many adults just want to live their sporting lives through their kids. Gary Lineker was a pretty useful footballer and it is probably safe to assume he knows more about the game than all of us on here put together, his view - just let kids play. Life gets very hard soon enough without stressing about it in relation to football at age 9

Waimak 9th grade festival by all accounts was exactly what 9 year olds want!  They played and played and played. As they played their results matched then against more even teams. I know kids who would have done it again the weekend after and the one after that. Credit to Waimak for offering each year. I hear they do this all season in Auckland. Has anyone asked the 9 year old? Sure some will say no but the best ones who live and breath it can't get enough.  My observation would be the only people who don't want 11 tournaments are the overly competitive parents. They couldn't handle the stress. Chill out people and let them play these sorts of tournaments, have a coffee and a sausage and let the results fall where they may!!!
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socrates11 wrote:

We seem to be getting very exercised over 9 year olds playing football. 9 year olds shouldn't be playing 11 tournaments a year, they should be having fun and enjoying themselves and simply enjoy play football. Too many adults just want to live their sporting lives through their kids. Gary Lineker was a pretty useful footballer and it is probably safe to assume he knows more about the game than all of us on here put together, his view - just let kids play. Life gets very hard soon enough without stressing about it in relation to football at age 9

Waimak 9th grade festival by all accounts was exactly what 9 year olds want!  They played and played and played. As they played their results matched then against more even teams. I know kids who would have done it again the weekend after and the one after that. Credit to Waimak for offering each year. I hear they do this all season in Auckland. Has anyone asked the 9 year old? Sure some will say no but the best ones who live and breath it can't get enough.  My observation would be the only people who don't want 11 tournaments are the overly competitive parents. They couldn't handle the stress. Chill out people and let them play these sorts of tournaments, have a coffee and a sausage and let the results fall where they may!!!

I agree a couple of these over a season would be great, CFA ran a good one a few weeks ago that was half a day. The Waimak is great but the day before was the Waimak Prizegiving which went all day, I know some parents and kids who spent 2 full days at Maria Andrews that weekend.

As much as the kids might want football tournaments every weekend, we need to make sure we don't exhaust the parents either, who often have other kids playing other sports or have different interests that they need to cater for as well, or god forbid the parents have some interests themselves!

I think there is a good balance somewhere to be found...

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Dougie Rydal wrote:

socrates11 wrote:

We seem to be getting very exercised over 9 year olds playing football. 9 year olds shouldn't be playing 11 tournaments a year, they should be having fun and enjoying themselves and simply enjoy play football. Too many adults just want to live their sporting lives through their kids. Gary Lineker was a pretty useful footballer and it is probably safe to assume he knows more about the game than all of us on here put together, his view - just let kids play. Life gets very hard soon enough without stressing about it in relation to football at age 9

Waimak 9th grade festival by all accounts was exactly what 9 year olds want!  They played and played and played. As they played their results matched then against more even teams. I know kids who would have done it again the weekend after and the one after that. Credit to Waimak for offering each year. I hear they do this all season in Auckland. Has anyone asked the 9 year old? Sure some will say no but the best ones who live and breath it can't get enough.  My observation would be the only people who don't want 11 tournaments are the overly competitive parents. They couldn't handle the stress. Chill out people and let them play these sorts of tournaments, have a coffee and a sausage and let the results fall where they may!!!

I agree a couple of these over a season would be great, CFA ran a good one a few weeks ago that was half a day. The Waimak is great but the day before was the Waimak Prizegiving which went all day, I know some parents and kids who spent 2 full days at Maria Andrews that weekend.

As much as the kids might want football tournaments every weekend, we need to make sure we don't exhaust the parents either, who often have other kids playing other sports or have different interests that they need to cater for as well, or god forbid the parents have some interests themselves!

I think there is a good balance somewhere to be found...

well only 10 kids in a team so surely was only 10 parents! (Out of 240 competing) The officials must have chosen the date so they can't have mind to much.  The problem I see is no even games all year provided by the leagues so we have to have something else. And I guess the South Island clubs have to decide if we want the gap between north and south to widen. Probably enough parents  who don't want their kids falling that far behind will get behind regular tournaments. If they are optional then parents like the Waimak ones who didn't want to be there two days in a row can say no thanks. But they can't come back and complain a year later if other kids have moved on a few notches!!
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the parents/coaches I chatted to in auckland wanted more not less. Most parents should be putting there kids at the forefront in all aspects of life. And if its good qquality and surrounded by good people it is great socially

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2 Onion Bags wrote:

the parents/coaches I chatted to in auckland wanted more not less. Most parents should be putting there kids at the forefront in all aspects of life. And if its good qquality and surrounded by good people it is great socially

I'm sure most parents do - god knows I do (I coach my kids teams in three different sports), my point is I have another kid who plays other sports, and the one who I'm referring to above also plays basketball, cricket, touch, and swims and football now seems to go from the beginning of March to early October and more if you want it. In chatting to a couple of dads who kids have been to tournaments recently, they say their kids are over football now and need a complete rest.

There is a balance, not weekend after weekend...

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interesting. The group I was with the boys are already asking when summer football starts. They couldnt wait any of them. But it was the parents looking for the break.

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Dougie Rydal wrote:

2 Onion Bags wrote:

the parents/coaches I chatted to in auckland wanted more not less. Most parents should be putting there kids at the forefront in all aspects of life. And if its good qquality and surrounded by good people it is great socially

I'm sure most parents do - god knows I do (I coach my kids teams in three different sports), my point is I have another kid who plays other sports, and the one who I'm referring to above also plays basketball, cricket, touch, and swims and football now seems to go from the beginning of March to early October and more if you want it. In chatting to a couple of dads who kids have been to tournaments recently, they say their kids are over football now and need a complete rest.

There is a balance, not weekend after weekend...

so they give them a rest. But I think you missed the point. Most of those tournaments in Auckland they been talking about are in season.  And it's about quality football. Lots of teams have played 20 weeks with very few evenly matched games.  They are wasted weekends!! Better off training for a tournament I reckon.
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totally agree. 

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2 Onion Bags wrote:

interesting. The group I was with the boys are already asking when summer football starts. They couldnt wait any of them. But it was the parents looking for the break.

Mmmm - two of them had kids with you in AKL and have said their kids said they can't wait for cricket and tennis to start respectively and weren't interested in playing the Term 4 School Comp on a Monday evening or being part of Burnley/IFANZ.

Suspect you might hear things differently from excited kids talking to their coach at a tournament as opposed to when they're at home...

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Dougie Rydal wrote:

2 Onion Bags wrote:

the parents/coaches I chatted to in auckland wanted more not less. Most parents should be putting there kids at the forefront in all aspects of life. And if its good qquality and surrounded by good people it is great socially

I'm sure most parents do - god knows I do (I coach my kids teams in three different sports), my point is I have another kid who plays other sports, and the one who I'm referring to above also plays basketball, cricket, touch, and swims and football now seems to go from the beginning of March to early October and more if you want it. In chatting to a couple of dads who kids have been to tournaments recently, they say their kids are over football now and need a complete rest.

There is a balance, not weekend after weekend...

so they give them a rest. But I think you missed the point. Most of those tournaments in Auckland they been talking about are in season.  And it's about quality football. Lots of teams have played 20 weeks with very few evenly matched games.  They are wasted weekends!! Better off training for a tournament I reckon.

I don't disagree with that, it must be bloody frustrating having a talented team that thumps teams each week, no-one benefits from that, maybe instead of having 3 Division's of 18 teams in MF 10th grade, they have 7 leagues of 8 for example, which would allow the top 8 teams to play each other twice over a season. And then have a Cup comp if remaining weeks allow...

Or have the the top say 2 Divisions with 8 teams while the lesser Divisions can have larger numbers if the prefer to have less sections.

MF must know in prepping for 11th Grade next season which clubs/teams are going to be the strongest, so why not create a draw for next season based on that. That would seem to make sense to me rather than having a Div 1 of 17 teams, which is what Div 1 10th Grade had this season.

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Dougie agree re 11th grade but mainland wont change to benefit the player, they only care how to screw every last dollar out of players. As for the kids the coach has at least 8 available to play in a competition over the 4th term in town. Maybe those 2 arent that keen but one who plays cricket with you spoke to me away from parents and coach and was.  The one thing I totally agree with you on is kids need choice and variety in sport and unlike many countries in europe etc New Zealand offers this. as a 40plus adult i have had my go and now i want my kids if they want it to have every opportunity.

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2 Onion Bags wrote:

Dougie agree re 11th grade but mainland wont change to benefit the player, they only care how to screw every last dollar out of players. As for the kids the coach has at least 8 available to play in a competition over the 4th term in town. Maybe those 2 arent that keen but one who plays cricket with you spoke to me away from parents and coach and was.  The one thing I totally agree with you on is kids need choice and variety in sport.

right three times onion bags!! They have moved away from the old 8 team leagues cos it is considered too competitive.  Problem is no one seems to be able to run competitive games cos they think this creates a competition and that is taboo. The plan is to play two or three shortened games on the same day so the losers might get a draw or won't have as many goals scored against them and they go home feeling better.  Unfortunately the WOF plan says games from 9 or 10 should be like v like. But we all know grading is too hard!!!
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2 Onion Bags wrote:

Dougie agree re 11th grade but mainland wont change to benefit the player, they only care how to screw every last dollar out of players. As for the kids the coach has at least 8 available to play in a competition over the 4th term in town. Maybe those 2 arent that keen but one who plays cricket with you spoke to me away from parents and coach and was.  The one thing I totally agree with you on is kids need choice and variety in sport.

right three times onion bags!! They have moved away from the old 8 team leagues cos it is considered too competitive.  Problem is no one seems to be able to run competitive games cos they think this creates a competition and that is taboo. The plan is to play two or three shortened games on the same day so the losers might get a draw or won't have as many goals scored against them and they go home feeling better.  Unfortunately the WOF plan says games from 9 or 10 should be like v like. But we all know grading is too hard!!!

Madness - you need to cater for the masses but also the elite...

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