ah well that was disappointing. Not confident the result will be any different on Tuesday.
Its the expected result, any win would be against the form book
Football Ferns
I thought we did OK. Oz were much stronger and a lot quicker.
For me we played the game at 100mph which was poor tactics as we don't have the technical ability to do this. We need to slow the game down a bit.
Readings stated they have found another gear Reverse. Aussie were in cruise controll
The womens game keeps growing around the world and it will continue to do so even if there are these results happening.
Answer this one .
These games have been happening for a very long time so if it hasnt hindered the growth in the past why would it do so now?
Well it would depend on hindering. What constitutes growth? and is their a peak popularity it can hit?
If that peak popularity is below where it could be why would you be happy with that?
Let take a real world example. Football Eurosnobs. The number of people I have spoken to that doesn't watch the ASB prem or the A League, the reasoning is always the level of football isn't as high in other comps.
In fact Sky used to pay for the EPL, but didn't pay for the top NZ league. So you are saying without money and exposure it could keep growing in popularity when a regular perception I encountered was its not worth while as its a lower level of football and there will be no limit on its growth?
I would say when you say x sport doesn't need y fans you are limiting its potential popularity, no matter what sport, or league int hat sport and I think that's dumb.
Whereas you think that's a good idea, and I don't see how.
but most importantly you still haven't explained the value of having international womens teams being beaten by under 15 regional mens squads.
OK,
the main differences between womens and mens football come down to physical differences. Mostly strength. Strength in terms of power when accelerating, jumping or shielding. Boys start to overtake women in football in these attributes roughly around 13-14 years of age.
The importance of this isnt in terms of physical competition but in terms of speed, ability to change direction faster, acceleration and recovery. Recovery is important because after a burst of output the boys are able to recover the dynamic movements a hint faster than the women.
In terms of football quality and pace of movement it means that 13-14 year old boys are capable of physically out doing women. If you take a bunch of talented 13-14 year old boys their physical advantages mean that they should generally be able to outplay the women if they have had a decent team coach.
The advantage for women in preparation for internationals is that they have to react faster and act faster than they would if playing a regional womens rep side. this is helpful in tuning up a womens team when preparing for an international tournament. They end up with a meaningful workout. The reality woth womans football around the world at the moment is that the depth still isnt there so a National team in most cases will thump a regional womens side. Getting tough preparation games is useful, vital and expected. Its been going on for years.
The same often happens in age group international football. I have seen our NZ U17 boys teams frequently play local federation or regional rep sides made up of senior players in preperation games before heading to WC age group competitions. I have watched a Federation 1 U20 mens team thump a U17 NZ side in a warm up game at North Harbour by 6-1.
Does that stop boys wanting to play football when an U17 National team is beaten by and older side?
I remember watching the NZ U17 womens team play a AFF u14 side a few years ago at North Harbour. The boys won 5-2 from memory. The girls were 2-0 up at the first third break. Some of the girls I knew through my club at the time and they werent in any way despondent about losing to a bunch of 13 year old boys. They were smart enough to understand what was going on.
The things that grow the womens game are girls coming into the game, not male numbers in the crowds watching. The things that influence girls to join a football team are different to boys. They dont have as big an affinity with pro teams or star players, they join because its fun and social. A 7 year old girl really has no idea who Messi is apart from Dad or brothers mentioning his name and the Matildas losing to a boys team will have absolutely no influence on a girl deciding to play football over netball.
There are differences between male and females in terms of motivation. interest, satisfaction and fullfilment. Anyone with half a brain understands that.
[/quote]Frankly, for me, if a national womens team is not better than any boys under 15 team, then I'm not interested.
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The reality is you arent interested anyway.
And there were only 2 x 15 years old in the team apparently, most 16 and 17 year olds. But back to the Ferns....Olympics is D Day for Readings. Has had plenty of resources go into this team. Some good results a couple of years ago now, but 2 (?) wins in last 20 games. Needs to get out of group or step aside after 4 years in the job.
Was handed a contract through the end of the 2019 WWC last October, so probably not going to happen, especially in context of the group, and how the other two groups' 3rd placed teams will have a leg up.
And there were only 2 x 15 years old in the team apparently, most 16 and 17 year olds. But back to the Ferns....Olympics is D Day for Readings. Has had plenty of resources go into this team. Some good results a couple of years ago now, but 2 (?) wins in last 20 games. Needs to get out of group or step aside after 4 years in the job.
And go back to coaching Birkenhead.
Match report from news...
And there were only 2 x 15 years old in the team apparently, most 16 and 17 year olds. But back to the Ferns....Olympics is D Day for Readings. Has had plenty of resources go into this team. Some good results a couple of years ago now, but 2 (?) wins in last 20 games. Needs to get out of group or step aside after 4 years in the job.
It's 4 wins in the last 20 (3-2 v Denmark, 1-0 v Brazil, 7-1 v PNG, 1-0 v Portugal)
What's probably more worrying is that in those 20 games they have only scored 22 goals and 7 of those were in one game against PNG
We have a pretty tough group at the Olympics, but I agree it should be D-Day for Readings. Also if they fail to get out of the group SportNZ will likely cut their funding again
And there were only 2 x 15 years old in the team apparently, most 16 and 17 year olds. But back to the Ferns....Olympics is D Day for Readings. Has had plenty of resources go into this team. Some good results a couple of years ago now, but 2 (?) wins in last 20 games. Needs to get out of group or step aside after 4 years in the job.
If I was Readings' employer, I wouldn't tie his continued employment to getting out of the Olympic group which is much tougher this time round. But the over-all performances haven't been great since 2014 and the Ferns were very ordinary against the Matildas on Saturday.
No one should realistically expect us to finish better than third in our group behind USA and France, two of the very best teams in women's football. And Colombia aren't a too bad a side either (ranked 24), though we should beat them. Colombia beat Canada in the Pan-American games last year, though they lost to the USA 7-0 this April.
It's then going to be tough to qualify as one of the best third-placed sides because the other two groups have the absolutely woeful African sides in them who will concede loads of goals and boost the other sides' goal difference.
Even the best women's teams from Africa are very bad - on a par with the Pacific Islands teams.
Any women's team with a FIFA ranking lower than about 30 is pretty bad.
South Africa - FIFA ranking 54 (in a group with Brazil, Sweden, China)
Zimbabwe - ranking 95 (With Germany, Canada, Australia)
I'm predicting that China and Australia (or Canada could be third in that group) will go through as the two best third-placed teams.
Will be SHOCKED if they sack Readings after giving him the 2019 extension.
[/quote]Frankly, for me, if a national womens team is not better than any boys under 15 team, then I'm not interested.
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The reality is you arent interested anyway.
I dont watch netball. I find it boring.
I like to watch football because I love the game.
Im happy watching a bunch of 6 year olds chase the ball around for 30 minutes.
Womens football is just another version. Its a developing version and just because the quality is nowhere near the senior mens quality doesnt make it less entertaining to watch.
If you love football you dont just cherry pick the very best to watch.
Some people only love the elite stuff but dont really love the game itself.
[/quote]Frankly, for me, if a national womens team is not better than any boys under 15 team, then I'm not interested.
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The reality is you arent interested anyway.
I don't understand this mentality. If you only watch elite versions of football, then why do you bother with the A-League?
Will be SHOCKED if they sack Readings after giving him the 2019 extension.
I will be as well, but I reckon the results show we've plateaued under Readings.
[/quote]Frankly, for me, if a national womens team is not better than any boys under 15 team, then I'm not interested.
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The reality is you arent interested anyway.
Hardly Elite. NZ Netball has major problems with the Aussies pulling out of the ANZ Championship and playing numbers dwindling whilst girls playing football is on the increase.
I always wondered why womens' football didn't float my boat and now I realise its because it really isn't very good. Its a bit elitist to say that because I don't like to watch womens or under 6 football, that I don't like football per se. I don't like the para olympics either but that doesnt mean i don't like the olympics. I just dont like something that you like and wont get close to liking it when the flagship teams get beaten by schoolboys.
I always wondered why womens' football didn't float my boat and now I realise its because it really isn't very good. Its a bit elitist to say that because I don't like to watch womens or under 6 football, that I don't like football per se. I don't like the para olympics either but that doesnt mean i don't like the olympics. I just dont like something that you like and wont get close to liking it when the flagship teams get beaten by schoolboys.
Stoopid argument. By that reckoning you wouldn't watch womens Olympic sports either. They would get beaten by schoolboys too.
I always wondered why womens' football didn't float my boat and now I realise its because it really isn't very good. Its a bit elitist to say that because I don't like to watch womens or under 6 football, that I don't like football per se. I don't like the para olympics either but that doesnt mean i don't like the olympics. I just dont like something that you like and wont get close to liking it when the flagship teams get beaten by schoolboys.
Stoopid argument. By that reckoning you wouldn't watch womens Olympic sports either. They would get beaten by schoolboys too.
While not competing against each other, Jacko Gill threw 20.62 m in the shot put (5kg) at age 16. Val Adams throws the 4kg shot put 21.24 m
While not competing against each other, Jacko Gill threw 20.62 m in the shot put (5kg) at age 16. Val Adams throws the 4kg shot put 21.24 m
there is an idea. chuck Val in goal.
Um, ok
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
While not competing against each other, Jacko Gill threw 20.62 m in the shot put (5kg) at age 16. Val Adams throws the 4kg shot put 21.24 m
I don't understand this mentality. If you only watch elite versions of football, then why do you bother with the A-League?
This is probably the best comment since my uneducated comment.
For some reason it was the age portion that threw me in the first place, if it was X mens team flogs x womens team I wouldn't have battered an eye lid, but for some reason when I saw the under 15's local team flogs international team that caught my eye in a weird way.
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
What happened to freedom of speech/ or opinion.?
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
What happened to freedom of speech/ or opinion.?
If he watches the Ferns he can say whatever he likes; but his comments would suggest he doesn't watch them. That being the case, I think he invalidates himself on this topic.
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
Do you watch the Ferns?
like anyone I only have a certain amount of time that I can watch sports. Naturally, this causes me to prioritise based on a number of factors including, skill level, how much I feel associated with a certain competition or game etc. never because of gender.
This is why I watch central league and Chatham cup locally, but not as much EPL as I used to - due to associating with it more strongly, trumping the skill level.
I watch more A league than women's or men's central league because of the higher skill level, and I associate with it a bit because of the nix.
If I had time I would watch more women's central league than I would men's grades lower than central league/cap prem because of skill level and a little bit because of association (1st teams vs watching 3rd teams and social teams for example).
I watch more football ferns than a lot of men's football, because they're a good skill level and I associate with them as representing NZ.
If I have the time to watch netball, I'd watch the silver ferns over the men's team, because of their higher profile, success representing NZ and what I believe to be higher skill level (I've never seen the men play, but I perceive them to not be as good)
It's about prioritising based on a number of factors. Not gender. I think NP is kind of the same but in the case of this discussion prioritises the skill level more strongly relative to other factors. I don't think he is saying "I only watch men's sport because women suck"
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
What happened to freedom of speech/ or opinion.?
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
What happened to freedom of speech/ or opinion.?
If he watches the Ferns he can say whatever he likes; but his comments would suggest he doesn't watch them. That being the case, I think he invalidates himself on this topic.
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
Do you watch the Ferns?
Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment. "" is not limited to public speaking and is generally taken to include other forms of expression.
[/quote]... you may find that I don't watch those sports either. I'm not saying my rule is absolute but you can't invalidate my preferences
Golfers, tennis players, Olympians - pretty much all top female athletes in these sports would struggle against elite male teenage athletes. It's difficult to surmise anything other than you're inclined to watch male-only sport. I'll leave you to the half of the world your preferences inhabit. Please don't comment on the football Ferns.
What happened to freedom of speech/ or opinion.?
You are the Uni high flyer, you tell me.
1-1 win over Oz, shoulda had a penalty thanks to this:
A much better game tonight. Two excellent goals and for once both teams tried to play football rather than smack it up the park.
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