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Yakcall wrote:

So interesting decision for the girls to play in Auckland boys league as it doesn't even appear they will be playing against the best boys of that age group.

"The top 16 and 17-year old male players tend to be in first, reserve or youth teams at their winter clubs. Other players are focused on 1st XI football, in what is often their final year at school.

The next tier is the under-17 boys' Metropolitan league - with the top clubs in Auckland - so the Conference league is effectively the fourth tier of players at that level."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

I've done a post on this including a bit of extra background I've picked up. https://in-the-back-of-the.net/2017/03/10/unfurlin...

The league was chosen because they want to improve their goal scoring and they have found against metro teams and above for whatever tactical reasons they were too easy to defend against.

Worthy of a try but to be honest I do not understand the rationale. They are having trouble scoring goals in International matches so to get practice they play at a lower level than they might otherwise be able to compete in so they can score goals. Am I missing something here?
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They may find it difficult given experience in the past of Womens' teams  v Youth teams. I recall about 12 years ago Capital Football Womens' rep team entered the Ivan England U19 and got slaughtered, in one game the score was up to about 20 nil and the ref called the game off early.

The Aussie Womens' team  took on a boys under 15 team about two years ago and took a towelling

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I find this quite a baffling move. Get better by playing lower ranked teams?

Player higher ranked cause most times, they are gonna play higher ranked at international level.

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Royz wrote:

Scousekiwi wrote:

All up, lots of work to do to get things functioning ideally again, the resolution of Abby's issue being just one of the pieces of the jigsaw - there are many more. But one of the pieces which is in place and working (at least from a coaching and player development perspective at present) is the centralised training programme.

Is it working though? 

When you look at the stats it's not great. 

In the last 3 years the Football Ferns have played 45 games and won 11 (well 10, 1 win was the default when PNG didn't turn up), drawn 13 and lost 21.

They have only managed to beat 2 teams ranked higher than them (Brazil 8th & Denmark 15th) and their FIFA ranking has dropped from 16th to 19th

If you are using player development as a measure then it probably is working as several players have managed to land professional contracts which they probably wouldn't have without the program.

The problem with the current set up is that there is no real competition at a local level for the Ferns players, and that shows when they play internationals, of their 21 losses 11 have been by only 1 goal - if they had the regular competition they would more likely be getting results in these games.

I don't necessarily agree with your statement that we are too small of a footballing nation to have our resources scattered around and about (although where are all the female coaches?). Scotland is a similar side (pop only 1 million more than NZ) and they are a good example to look at as in 2013 NZ beat them 1-0 (although I believe it was quite easily and should have been more), now Scotland beat NZ and then beat Austria and they are a team on the up. The main differences here are that the Scottish Government help fund the team (before they play in major tournaments). And more importantly Scotland have a proper National League (with 2 rounds ie one more that FIFA funding pays for)

There is no real reason why NZF can't do the same, start small a 6 team National League with 3 clubs from the Northern League, 2 from Capital-Central and Canterbury United. Get the teams that miss out to play in a 2nd division with Southern United

Whatever the answer it needs something because I'm sick and tired of hearing excuses from Tony Readings about how we are almost there!


Your national team is only as good as its domestic league, Major flop.

England National team and the EPL which is the flop then.

The people at the top [CEO etal] of NZF are under performing never mind the players. 

Time to give the domestic game over to the clubs to run.

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Hannah Wilkonson has signed in Vittsjö (Sweden):
http://www.svenskalag.se/vittsjogik/nyheter/952177/hannah-wilkinson-forstarker-truppen

She will meet Fern teammate Ali Riley (FC Rosengard) there.

Vittsjö finished 7th ranged last season:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/frauen/intligen...

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I find this quite a baffling move. Get better by playing lower ranked teams?

Player higher ranked cause most times, they are gonna play higher ranked at international level.

I can understand them being careful about choosing a level of teenage boy's football that suits the Ferns: being outplayed too heavily could be demoralizing and you don't learn much if you don't have much of the ball. Physically, teenage boys are so much stronger than even mature female players that women tend to not see much of the ball when playing them.

Even the world's best women's international teams tend to struggle against teenage boy opponents.

The Matildas were beaten 7-0 last year by Newcastle Jets u-15's in their Rio Olympics build up:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...

The USA national women's side has been beaten heavily in the past by teenage boy selections - hence they stopped playing them because it was demoralizing and projected a bad image for the standard of women's football. 

Annalie Longo already trains with the leading Cashmere Tech men's Mainland Premier side which includes half the Canterbury Utd squad.

But she avoids playing actual competitive games with the males down here.

Backup Ferns keeper Victoria Esson actually plays in a men's league for Ferrymead Bays reserves and has been on the bench for the first team in the Mainland Premier.

Only a goalie can do that successfully.

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Good report here on all the Ferns' Cyprus Cup games by Kiwi football writer Nick Robinson who has been following the tournament:

http://theniche-cache.com/football/running-down-th...

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Annalie Longo already trains with the leading Cashmere Tech men's Mainland Premier side which includes half the Canterbury Utd squad.

But she avoids playing actual competitive games with the males down here.


 Though the word is that's set to change for this season; and I understand she's also not coaching the Cashmere WPL team either.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Good report here on all the Ferns' Cyprus Cup games by Kiwi football writer Nick Robinson who has been following the tournament:

http://theniche-cache.com/football/running-down-th...



Hey, thx for the post. Really interesting, I will read it later, because my favourite Team SC Paderborn 07 is going to play in a few minutes. 

But I know that problem with testing new players of the next generation:
Germany will send a 'perspective team' to the Confed Cup this year. 
I don't like it, because I want us to WIN this tournament: We have won european championship three times, World Cup four times, but never the Confed Cup ... 
In my point of view it's an official title ... !!! 
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Football Ferns Development Programme given significant boost

New Zealand Football is excited to announce changes to its Women’s High Performance programme as it looks to achieve the strategic goal of elite teams winning at global pinnacle events.

In December, New Zealand Football received $1.5m funding over three years from High Performance Sport New Zealand after presenting a comprehensive four year plan. One of the major strategies of this plan was the creation of a centralised development programme to provide an improved standard of player development for domestic-based amateur and future Ferns.

In order to bridge the gap to the world’s best teams, New Zealand Football has enhanced the existing Football Ferns Development Programme (FFDP) which will now cater for up to 25 domestic-based amateur players from around New Zealand by invitation. The programme is specifically designed to overcome some of the unique challenges the NZ amateur players face compared to the world’s leading nations and will be fully funded by NZ Football.

“The Football Ferns Development Programme will offer comprehensive support to the best identified domestic-based players across all areas of development,” said Football Ferns coach Tony Readings.

“The aim is to create a programme that more closely replicates the level of competition and support that professional players receive in the top leagues. We don’t have professional clubs here as in most of the leading football nations but this will enable more players to have an opportunity to progress to professional contracts overseas and represent the Ferns.”

The plan looks to build on the success of the World No 19 Ferns programme over the past 10 years which has already delivered many professional players. One of the key strategies of the programme is to fast track the creation of even more professional players and senior internationals that can help the Football Ferns achieve improved success at pinnacle events.

The training programme will be run out of Auckland where the selected players will train four times per week with the international coaches and staff and participate in a boy’s competition.

After consultation with the Northern and Auckland Football Federations, the FFDP squad have been granted a place in the Conference Youth League (AFF/NFF) in the 17th Conference division for the 2017 season.

The players will receive high performance level support in areas of technical and tactical training, sport science, nutrition, medical, performance analysis and support with future career opportunities.

Readings said the FFDP will accelerate the development of the domestic-based amateur players and will ultimately aid in improving the performance of the Football Ferns.

“The top nations in the world have substantially more resources and opportunities for their larger pool of elite domestic based players. This underlines the need for us to bridge the gap domestically in order to continue to compete successfully on the world stage,” said Readings.

“Working with the players week in, week out and the ability to play in a more challenging competition will advance the development of our best-identified domestic players.”

The FFDP will be managed by Gareth Turnbull as part of a newly shaped role.

Turnbull, who coached the NZ U-17 women to the FIFA World Cup in Jordan in 2016, will lead the delivery of the training environment and other support services. He will manage the identification, support needs and exit routes of the FFDP players.

Turnbull, who led the Canterbury United Pride to back to back NWL titles, has extensive knowledge of the domestic player pool and developing high performance athletes in his previous role of Athlete Development Manager. He will also coach the NZ U-20 team as part of this new role and will take the NZ U-19 team to the OFC qualifiers for the U-19 Championship in July.

Meanwhile, former NZ U-20 coach Leon Birnie will now coach the NZ U-17 team. Birnie, who took the NZ U-20s to the FIFA World Cup in Papua New Guinea last year, will take the NZ U-16 team to the OFC qualifiers for the U-16 Championship in August.

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Feverish wrote:

Football Ferns Development Programme given significant boost

New Zealand Football is excited to announce changes to its Women’s High Performance programme as it looks to achieve the strategic goal of elite teams winning at global pinnacle events.

In December, New Zealand Football received $1.5m funding over three years from High Performance Sport New Zealand after presenting a comprehensive four year plan. One of the major strategies of this plan was the creation of a centralised development programme to provide an improved standard of player development for domestic-based amateur and future Ferns.

In order to bridge the gap to the world’s best teams, New Zealand Football has enhanced the existing Football Ferns Development Programme (FFDP) which will now cater for up to 25 domestic-based amateur players from around New Zealand by invitation. The programme is specifically designed to overcome some of the unique challenges the NZ amateur players face compared to the world’s leading nations and will be fully funded by NZ Football.

“The Football Ferns Development Programme will offer comprehensive support to the best identified domestic-based players across all areas of development,” said Football Ferns coach Tony Readings.

“The aim is to create a programme that more closely replicates the level of competition and support that professional players receive in the top leagues. We don’t have professional clubs here as in most of the leading football nations but this will enable more players to have an opportunity to progress to professional contracts overseas and represent the Ferns.”

The plan looks to build on the success of the World No 19 Ferns programme over the past 10 years which has already delivered many professional players. One of the key strategies of the programme is to fast track the creation of even more professional players and senior internationals that can help the Football Ferns achieve improved success at pinnacle events.

The training programme will be run out of Auckland where the selected players will train four times per week with the international coaches and staff and participate in a boy’s competition.

After consultation with the Northern and Auckland Football Federations, the FFDP squad have been granted a place in the Conference Youth League (AFF/NFF) in the 17th Conference division for the 2017 season.

The players will receive high performance level support in areas of technical and tactical training, sport science, nutrition, medical, performance analysis and support with future career opportunities.

Readings said the FFDP will accelerate the development of the domestic-based amateur players and will ultimately aid in improving the performance of the Football Ferns.

“The top nations in the world have substantially more resources and opportunities for their larger pool of elite domestic based players. This underlines the need for us to bridge the gap domestically in order to continue to compete successfully on the world stage,” said Readings.

“Working with the players week in, week out and the ability to play in a more challenging competition will advance the development of our best-identified domestic players.”

The FFDP will be managed by Gareth Turnbull as part of a newly shaped role.

Turnbull, who coached the NZ U-17 women to the FIFA World Cup in Jordan in 2016, will lead the delivery of the training environment and other support services. He will manage the identification, support needs and exit routes of the FFDP players.

Turnbull, who led the Canterbury United Pride to back to back NWL titles, has extensive knowledge of the domestic player pool and developing high performance athletes in his previous role of Athlete Development Manager. He will also coach the NZ U-20 team as part of this new role and will take the NZ U-19 team to the OFC qualifiers for the U-19 Championship in July.

Meanwhile, former NZ U-20 coach Leon Birnie will now coach the NZ U-17 team. Birnie, who took the NZ U-20s to the FIFA World Cup in Papua New Guinea last year, will take the NZ U-16 team to the OFC qualifiers for the U-16 Championship in August.

Back to Auckland it is!  Centralised?
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Will this satisfy Erceg enough that she'll come back into the fold?

This new Ferns program would seem to address many of her concerns?

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Will this satisfy Erceg enough that she'll come back into the fold?

This new Ferns program would seem to address many of her concerns?

In works long before she quit. Doesn't address her concern at all, which was for players involved in a programme like this to be given financial aid. If anything, possibly makes it worse.

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Straight from Facebook post on Auckland dominance in events and money.

Does the Auckland area extend south of the Bombay Hills?

Reply from the North:

did you ever see the original lion king when Mufasa says to Simba from the mountain top looking across the vast plains, "Those are the Badlands, DO NOT EVER go there"??? 

ats what Auckland Fathers tell there children from the top of the bombays!!

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In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

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Can you explain why you think this?

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Because Auckland has 1/3 of the population. You bring everyone to where the biggest single concentration of players is pre-existing. Turnbull in particular knows the pitfalls of trying to run a player development programme across six or seven locations - there just ain't enough players in each place, and you can't get them on the same page.

Is it shark, asking people to move to Auckland? Yes.

But what else are they meant to do?

The benefits far, far, far outweigh perhaps losing a handful of potential players - and if those players were nearer the top of the tree, they'd be making the move.

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inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

why?

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inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

why?

See above.

NLP
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inafoxhole wrote:

[quote=inafoxhole]

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

why?

See above.

[/quote

does anyone know if these girls are still being encouraged to pick up a scholarship at one of the top uni's in the states or whether that is seen as detrimental to their chances of playing for the ferns or young ferns ?

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I was also from 1994-1996 and 2001-2013 an Aucklander, so I don't have the same fear of it that so many outsiders seem to.

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inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

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inafoxhole wrote:

[quote=inafoxhole]

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

why?

See above.

[/quote

does anyone know if these girls are still being encouraged to pick up a scholarship at one of the top uni's in the states or whether that is seen as detrimental to their chances of playing for the ferns or young ferns ?

Given the number of 2016 U20s heading to the US, there's either plenty of rebels or it's not a big issue.

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Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

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inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

I thought your point was it has to be in Akld and couldn't be in another city?

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Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

I thought your point was it has to be in Akld and couldn't be in another city?

Yes - because you're not going to ask the largest group of players to move somewhere else.

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At least NZF are trying something, rather than let things roll on as they have been.

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inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

I thought your point was it has to be in Akld and couldn't be in another city?

Yes - because you're not going to ask the largest group of players to move somewhere else.

why not? you might have cheap accom, job/education opps, a pro team, somewhere where it didn't take an hour in traffic to get anywhere..

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Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

I thought your point was it has to be in Akld and couldn't be in another city?

Yes - because you're not going to ask the largest group of players to move somewhere else.

why not? you might have cheap accom, job/education opps, a pro team, somewhere where it didn't take an hour in traffic to get anywhere..

Oh so it's about Auckland, the evil city, as it's viewed by the other 2/3 of this country. Not any actual problems.

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not sure what you're on about to be honest mate. Something in another city attracting the Ferns is entirely feasible. 

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Blew.2 wrote:
did you ever see the original lion king when Mufasa says to Simba from the mountain top looking across the vast plains, "Those are the Badlands, DO NOT EVER go there"??? 

ats what Auckland Fathers tell there children from the top of the bombays!!

Oh, I thought that was what Rest of NZ fathers told their children, from the same place. (Perhaps South Island fathers say it from a hill above Picton, I dunno.)

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Anyway: on one side, the wild stories about Auckland are 10 years out of date (apart from the house prices, which are disgusting but not that much worse than Wellington city). Public transport is much better than it was when I came here and you can cycle if you're brave enough. If you live relatively centrally and don't feel you have to drive a car everywhere, "Auckland traffic" is a scare story.

On the other side: yeah, the program has to be "central". Wellington is central, geographically.

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inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

In this country, it's impossible for this to be anywhere else but Auckland.

Yarn 

Go on then, how on earth can the country run a national development programme for an elite group (of say 25) w/o it being centrally located?

I thought your point was it has to be in Akld and couldn't be in another city?

Yes - because you're not going to ask the largest group of players to move somewhere else.

Exactly this. Why put out 18 odd players and ask them to move to PN when you can ask 7 to move to Auckland.
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so if there is a Phoenix W-League team then they should keep the Ferns based in Akld?

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No, a Phoenix W-League team would be a significant change in situation that would probably mean a NZF-run programme would therefore be unnecessary, and that Ferns staff would be better off in Wellington. 

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Feverish wrote:

so if there is a Phoenix W-League team then they should keep the Ferns based in Akld?

...And if my uncle had ovaries HE could play for the Ferns. Unless you know something I don't, Nix to W-League is not a realistic prospect.

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inafoxhole wrote:

No, a Phoenix W-League team would be a significant change in situation that would probably mean a NZF-run programme would therefore be unnecessary, and that Ferns staff would be better off in Wellington. 

it would have big NZF involvement. Thanks for your back-down

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Feverish wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

No, a Phoenix W-League team would be a significant change in situation that would probably mean a NZF-run programme would therefore be unnecessary, and that Ferns staff would be better off in Wellington. 

it would have big NZF involvement. Thanks for your back-down

It's not a backdown. It's a massive change in the situation (and yes, of course it would have NZF involvement). Right now, no Wellington-based W-League team - being based in Auckland right call. Down the line, with a Wellington based W League team being based there the right call.

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Agree. If the Phoenix have a professional women's team that plays out of Wellington, that changes things significantly. Much like if there was not an HAL team in Wellington, most of the AWs games would probably be in Auckland.

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