Hard to see where goals will come from
New Zealand Men's U-20s
That refereeing... worse than the performance of both teams.
cant wait for dyer and co to get pumped by france, maybe that will humble them.
Same as it ever was. 3 big, slow guys with no touch at the back - check. Big reasonably fast guy up front with the touch of a donkey - check. Right footed player at left back while leaving a better left footed player on the bench - check. Sadly most of our guys look as technically incompetent as we have always done. Heavy first touch, no composure on the ball and first thought is to look forward and lump it long.
On the positive side Woud was calm and commanding, Ingham was excellent and Bevan showed a lot of promise. Not a game plan that helps Lewis' style. Somehow we need a result v Honduras because France will destroy our defence
I didn't watch the game but going by the comments here, it sounds like Moses was Dyer
In the second half we had moments, but the team was set up to play longball... despite all the hooplah about this team been technically very good.
Dyer worked hard on D along with Lewis, especially in the first 45 as we gave up 70% possession for the first 30. Lewis looked frustrated with the lack of options.
Ingham looked good, along with the keeper, but other than that, pretty poor.
Billingley is a donkey, said it at the last WC, is fast, but has nothing else and it showed.
Our best technical players, we all on the bench... angry I stayed up, angry I read the NZF summary (way to positive) just angry!
In the second half we had moments, but the team was set up to play longball... despite all the hooplah about this team been technically very good.
Dyer worked hard on D along with Lewis, especially in the first 45 as we gave up 70% possession for the first 30. Lewis looked frustrated with the lack of options.
Ingham looked good, along with the keeper, but other than that, pretty poor.
Billingley is a donkey, said it at the last WC, is fast, but has nothing else and it showed.
Our best technical players, we all on the bench... angry I stayed up, angry I read the NZF summary (way to positive) just angry!
At what stage do questions get asked of the coaches? The hoof ball approach was not working, and it looked like a set piece was our only chance and even that was executed poorly most often. Surely with 20 to go you change that failing formation, bring on a playmaker and create chances. Yes, we started to have more of the ball, but it was a tiring opposition who we were bullying rather than playing and giving us a chance. 5 full internationals out there shows what awful selections Hudson makes, with Cameron being the poorest on the night followed closely by Dyer. Does Bazley have the balls to bench Hudson's boys, and play some of those players who played a far better game plan at the 17s in Chile than that rubbish dished up last night. I cant see myself staying up for Honduras!
Tough watch. The crossing and dead ball delivery were terrible!!
I see Liam Jordan is playing for South Africa. He is still the most talented 15 year old I've seen in New Zealand since Wynton Rufer. Shame he returned to SA and didn't stay on here.
In the second half we had moments, but the team was set up to play longball... despite all the hooplah about this team been technically very good.
Dyer worked hard on D along with Lewis, especially in the first 45 as we gave up 70% possession for the first 30. Lewis looked frustrated with the lack of options.
Ingham looked good, along with the keeper, but other than that, pretty poor.
Billingley is a donkey, said it at the last WC, is fast, but has nothing else and it showed.
Our best technical players, we all on the bench... angry I stayed up, angry I read the NZF summary (way to positive) just angry!
Who is the left back? made a couple of mistakes
Weenix's Sinclair; looks all at sea
He looked all at sea in a preseason friendly against Lower Hutt's 1st team so I'm not sure how he's managed to pop up at this level!
What an awful performance but all is not lost Honduras are not a great team so still some hope.Tactics were average but do you expect from a guy that can't coach or even get his selections right.Sinclair had a bad night but playing him at left back just exposed his weaknesses. Bazley won't drop Dyer, Hudson runs this ship as well, even from here in Nz God only knows how this kid gets to play for NZ at any level but some of the others are lucky to be there as well.If they fail the coaching staff need to step down.They keep telling us how well they did at the last event but if one of the other countries had complained about player eligibility we would of been booted out of are own event so i say this coaching stuff have done nothing to this point.Honduras is a must win.
Vanuatu look better than us. That showed what you can do with decent preparation. Didnt we beat them 4 or 5-0 in the final?
Worse than the tactics not bringing a positive result is the negative impact this has on player development. I would much, much rather our age group teams went to tournaments to keep the ball on the ground and learn from their mistakes than make it to the quarters playing that shark. Those extra two games are pointless because all it teaches them that they should play that way to succeed. Besides, the best counter-attacking football is still played with the ball the ground. We don't need to be Barca, but we certainly shouldn't be the Crazy Gang.
We need to be willing to expose these kids to failure so they can progress as footballers. We also need to allow them to show their skill so scouts will come back for another look. Let the All Whites put the result above everything, development has to be the number one priority at age-group level.
tbh this really isn't the main development avenue for any of these players. different in the last cycle.
Dunno if wed beat vanuatu based on that. Singh and bell need to start. Agree billingsley is a donkey and i have no idea how he made the team 2 years ago. For me team should be - woud - ingham johnson ashworth mcgarry - singh bell lewis - cameron bevan rogerson
Vanuatu are down 2-0 to Venuzula at half time, but they are playing some good stuff (Bong Kalo is great to watch), they much more fun to watch than New Zealand at the moment.
7-0 at full time.
tbh this really isn't the main development avenue for any of these players. different in the last cycle.
All football is development if you're their age.
I agree with all the above comments. Vietnam are the type of team that would have been great to play 2nd or 3rd game. When 20s may have had more time to gel. They were individuals getting to know each other and it showed. A phoenix Singh Rogerson combination may help when time is short. Vietnam will probably tire and get worse as they lack depth. So playing them later would have helped with 3 points. The result was no good for either side trying to get out of the group.
i'm just watching this now.
it's clear that the instructions are to smash it forward as soon as we get it. on what planet is this sort of thing considered football?
i feel sorry for these lads. we have possibly the best u20 side we've had in a long time and our collection of poms (emblen excluded, based on prior history) are getting us to play like this
billingsly is a bit of a baby giraffe, but i challenge any striker to try to play in among tactics like this
tactics...
you 5 stand in a line here. if you get the ball smash it that way.
you three stand in front of them. chase everything. win the ball and smash hit it into the corners immediately, then chase it. do not attempt to pass unless we are close to their 18 yard box.
you two. get ready to run into the corners for when we win the ball. when we don't have it, mark their wing backs.
BTW, this is not a sarcastic post. these are our actual tactics.
Ugh, what annoyed me was the amount of shark that Vietnam fans were commenting on NZFootball's page.
"New Zealanders say we do not know how to play football, the fact we have been unlucky to win you"
Embarrassing performance, I am developing social anxiety from the grammar of the comments.
if you think the first half is indicative of how they wanted to, in their best ideals, play, well...
We were utter crap. Also noticed that Embers was there helping out. With him there I would have expected better but how much influence does Hudson have on this team?
None of the guys who played in that game should be part of the AWs next month yet we know the likes of Dyer will be there ahead of the of James etc.
Only players worth their salt were Woud and Ingham. Think they will both become decent AWs in the future.
The others well, just backed up what we all thought. People rated Bevan but I thought he was rubbish too, spent more time moaning to the ref and swearing at the camera then playing football.
This has to be the weakest squad we've had at this level for some time.
Ingham was great, he showed he is both good at defending and attacking. He created many chances but at times Dane needed to pass the ball earlier. IMO he will be a great wingback in years to come.
Can we really blame the players... Bevan didn't do much, but what service did he get etc.
All negativity should be directed at the coaches... the players play to instructions, the team was set up as such.
Can someone tell me Beazleys twitter account so I can beg him to let the lads play footy not hoof ball... or just to link him into this chat and see the consequences of his tactics... disillusioned fans!
All negativity should be directed at the coaches... the players play to instructions, the team was set up as such
Agree with this statement. Sadly this was predicted by many of us from weeks out as the build up was poor over the last year, the lack of enthusiasm for the task from Bazley seemed obvious and some of the selections were questionable. I wonder if by association Embers gets saddled with this as his attitude and approach is not usually so poor as what we are seeing unfold here.
All football is development if you're their age.
TBH, at their age, i am not sure they should be developing the style of football best suited to masters 2 4.
Well that was a terrible watch!
Our failure in this game can be attributed directly back to the coach. Bazeley is out of his depth at this level. He struggled with his selections and tactics in the last U20 WC and he obviously has not progressed.
When will NZF ever learn?. An old pro turns up from a journeyman career in the UK and gets promoted beyond their ability to coach at international level. The irony is you dont actually see much of this style of dinosaur 1970's football in the UK anymore. But we continually get these fossils corrupting our youth programs with their old fashion tactics.
The thing is that non of these kids would have any experiance of this style of football. They would have grown up watching and playing modern football. I am not expecting them to play like Barcelona but FFS how about just trying to keep possession. Vietnam didnt really press high so there was plenty of time to keep the ball at the back and get a midfielder to drop back and restart play. It seemed like the tactic was as soon as you get the ball, where ever you are on the field...just pump it forward.
You kind of wonder what would happen if someone like that Austrian guy, who has just been appointed football director at NZF, had been in charge.We almost certainly we would have seen a different brand of football. Because there is plenty of talent at youth level in NZ.
On the positive side there are some good prospects in the NZ team. Ingham looks like he will develop into a good player. Woud is a great prospect. Bevan looks useful but needs better service. When Rogerson came on we looked more fluid on attack.
What I would like to see for the next game. How about trying to keep the ball, be more patient, build up the attacks, select more ball players, work on set piece deliveries, pass the ball in the final third instead of trying to do a Messi and dribble through a packed defense(Imran, Billington)
As many have posted I think this squad has some talent. I would rather them lose trying to play some decent football than dish up the shark we saw last night.
All football is development if you're their age.
TBH, at their age, i am not sure they should be developing the style of football best suited to masters 2 4.
So, basically what I said in my last two posts, then?
While I want to blame the coach whole heartedly, quite frankly there were far to many school boy errors which the players need to take some of the blame for. Many times we passed the ball out of play, many times we had shocking control, many times we passed to the opposition.
Marowa probably should be in this squad with that many SS Prem goals.
Marowa probably should be in this squad with that many SS Prem goals.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/929...
Current has 6 goals from last 4 games for Wellington United too in the Central League.
While I want to blame the coach whole heartedly, quite frankly there were far to many school boy errors which the players need to take some of the blame for. Many times we passed the ball out of play, many times we had shocking control, many times we passed to the opposition.
While I want to blame the coach whole heartedly, quite frankly there were far to many school boy errors which the players need to take some of the blame for. Many times we passed the ball out of play, many times we had shocking control, many times we passed to the opposition.
McCowatt is the only one in the squad I think, and did not feature thankfully as he was not up to it from what I saw in games up here prior.
Dane Ingham had way too many "I'm the man" moments, where instead of getting the ball into the box, he would kick it past his man and try to chase it down, failing every time. I'm all for getting to the byline then pulling it back, but boy. Bevan did a lot of good work feeding off scraps, Rogerson was bright when off the bench. Cameron a good instigator in the second half, Woud good in goal. Everyone else meh - the failure to be calm in the first half, largely created by the failure to build from the back, did them in. Second half was much better, a lot more building through the WBs. Having someone comfortable on the ball under pressure in deep CM would help them play out too - a Singh or McGarry. Same shark different tournament in terms of a rough start though, no need to fudgeing destroy everything because they had one bad half - replicate the output of the second half for another 45 and they get a pretty solid performance - you're not going to shake your head at 26 shots, 6 on target (though of course you'd like that second figure to be higher). Up to the players now v Honduras, and on the coaching staff to register that the midfield combination wasn't working.
We were utter crap. Also noticed that Embers was there helping out. With him there I would have expected better but how much influence does Hudson have on this team?
None of the guys who played in that game should be part of the AWs next month yet we know the likes of Dyer will be there ahead of the of James etc.
Only players worth their salt were Woud and Ingham. Think they will both become decent AWs in the future.
The others well, just backed up what we all thought. People rated Bevan but I thought he was rubbish too, spent more time moaning to the ref and swearing at the camera then playing football.
This has to be the weakest squad we've had at this level for some time.
You noticed that the team's assistant coach was there?
At this stage, Dyer over 'the likes of James' in the AWs is down to contact time.
I think the attackers/midfielders in this squad are better than the ones last time, on the whole (BT probably greater than any single MFer this time). But defenders a big drop off - and without them being able to bring the ball out (remember, BT even got moved back there for this purpose in 2015) it leads to the aimless hoofing.
Will be a while before the 2013 crop is topped, but they're not bad. A couple of personnel changes and a bit more composure, and they're fine.
Marowa is interesting (personally, the likes of Porter and Parker-Price who went to Oceanias are more unlucky). Would need a waiver if picked, so that plays a part. Dyer is fairly impressive in SSP too, tbh (though not as much as his midfield teammate Tim Payne, in the AWs context). But then at the same time, this team is set up to play in a way where it's wingbacks, not wingers that provide width, and so there's no real place for him. And if he's not a clear-cut starter, then probably in the too-hard basket. Should tactical decisions dicate like that? Maybe not. But when you have limited time and resources...
Some examples of how frustrating Monday night was.
Exhibit A) Receiving the ball in acres of space in the midfield, under no real pressure. The ball immediately goes long and we lose it.
Exhibit B) Not sure who it is, but did he just not see the pass? The ball eventually went high and over both the strikers. None of the forwards recieved the ball in positions facing goal the whole game.
