All Whites v China | Sun 26th March | 4:00pm | Sky Stadium

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When they are in camp they should get Wood to give them all some pen training.
Wood has a very good pen record. 28/31 at club/international level plus whatever he has scored in shootouts  (I can't remember him missing any).

The last pen he missed was in 2016 and the others 2013 and 2011!
https://www.transfermarkt.com/chris-wood/elfmetertore/spieler/108725

Interestingly he never (that I've seen anyway) tries to do cute stuff like Greive did, instead he picks one of the corners (top or bottom), or straight down the middle and puts his boot through it; even when keeper guesses the right way he still usually scores.
The convenience of the captain being the best striker and penalty taker in the squad. :)
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It's always interesting how 2 people can see a game(s) differently. I clearly remember Rufer being easily burgled from behind by a Chinese player, at Mt Smart late on and AWs nearly conceding. Then yesterday Stamenic showing great skill, to avoid being tackled after Sail gave him basically a hospital pass. He's class and pretty versatile.

I think Roofs is great for the Nix, but he ain't good enough for a full strength AWs starting 11. Would barely make the squad.


Rufer has a tendency to try and turn his way out of trouble. Which more often that not works for him with good strength on the ball and it is a great way of opening up space in front of a press, but given how deep he normally receives the ball, if the player does end up dispossessing him then there is naturally going to be very little cover.

I think Stamenic's workrate has been overlooked in most comments. 90+ minutes into the second game and he was still pressing, still chasing all over the pitch. I thought Libby had an engine but Stamenic was just something else, he also displays a level of time and elegance on the ball which not many other NZ players ever have from what I have seen. Injury free and good time on the field at a reasonably decent level and he will go very far.

I also feel if Just was just a tiny bit bigger and stronger (gym work maybe?) he would also be a very handy player, great skill and vision just tends to get out muscled too easily.
Stamenic is also too slight currently and easily pushed off the ball. He could benefit from time in the gym which has helped Singh in Germany and improve his dominance against teams taller and stronger than the Chinese.
I am sure the Serbians will not be shy about being physical so it should take care of itself. I am also not sure how getting nailed 0-5 by Man City in Champions league does wonders for your confidence and plenty of average players play champions league now that it no longer requires your team to be the actual champions but allows you to finish 3rd in the Malta domestic league and go into the "Champions" tournament. I think retaining possession against teams that let you have it is irrelevant. Also possession football is proving not vital these days it's what you do with it. France won 2018 world cup final scoring 4 goals with 39% possession and finished 19 out of 32 on possession stats for that whole tournament. Where as Spain were Eliminated early averaging 69%.

I see a few things no one is mentioning:

(1) Boxall offside for own goal. If that had cost a goal against us there would be quite some complaining.

(2) Sail brain explosion in 61st minute. Despite some great saves it seems to be coming too regular. 

(3) No designated penalty taker. It's as if NZ are the only nation in the world worse at taking penalties than the English. Our sides have missed more penalties in last 6 years than Germany has missed in the last 106 years. As to people who say "you can't practice penalties", they don't say that in Germany. Look at our multiple misses during U20 world cup shoot out, Olympic Games vs Japan all from this same playing squad. We need to designate some takers. I just hope this miss doesn't destroy Grieve the way missing against Mexico destroyed Brockie (although indeed this China match was only a friendly).In the absence of Wood,I would say Rojas, Singh or perhaps Garbett or Bell? 


It's actually pretty hard to qualify for the Champions League these days. You've got a serious lack of respect for a lot of bloody decent teams. 

A lot of teams who are not champions right? A lot of teams who did not win their league? I am old school. I think the champions league should be for the champions in each country. My main point is that playing champions league is not as difficult as it used to be. If you wanted to play before 97/98 season you had to be in the elite no matter what country you played in, your team had to be the best and that's it. Is it difficult to get into the top 4 in England, Italy or Germany? Yes. Is it as hard as winning the league? There is a huge gap in quality between first in fourth in the top leagues. I think it is more disrespectful for the teams who have won the league to find themselves then playing in the same competition as Tottenham.

Look at this:
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So I can play for the 2nd best team in Czech Republic or Ukraine or Denmark and find myself playing against Real Madrid?

No Sir, I am not disrespecting anyone. UEFA went after the money and disrespected the teams that do win their leagues and the point of the tournament.

Anyway probably not the appropriate thread for this.


Give us a bell when you're playing for Sparta Prague and we'll be sure to make room for you in the next all whites camp
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Awer Mabil is now at Sparta Prague. Definitely good enough for the AWs!
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What has also been overlooked is that finishing in one of the highlighted spots does not guarantee participation at the group stage (i.e. this year Arsenal and Man City will automatically qualify as first and second).

The third and fourth (i.e. Man U and another) will need to play a home and away match off against someone else in Europe. With the big leagues and rich clubs getting stronger and more places, one could say that the champions league is the strongest it’s ever been. If you are playing group stage for a club then it’s the real deal and you are not half bad 
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What has also been overlooked is that finishing in one of the highlighted spots does not guarantee participation at the group stage (i.e. this year Arsenal and Man City will automatically qualify as first and second).

The third and fourth (i.e. Man U and another) will need to play a home and away match off against someone else in Europe. With the big leagues and rich clubs getting stronger and more places, one could say that the champions league is the strongest it’s ever been. If you are playing group stage for a club then it’s the real deal and you are not half bad 


Top 4 in England do not playoff against anyone and have not done for some time.
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It's always interesting how 2 people can see a game(s) differently. I clearly remember Rufer being easily burgled from behind by a Chinese player, at Mt Smart late on and AWs nearly conceding. Then yesterday Stamenic showing great skill, to avoid being tackled after Sail gave him basically a hospital pass. He's class and pretty versatile.

I think Roofs is great for the Nix, but he ain't good enough for a full strength AWs starting 11. Would barely make the squad.


Rufer has a tendency to try and turn his way out of trouble. Which more often that not works for him with good strength on the ball and it is a great way of opening up space in front of a press, but given how deep he normally receives the ball, if the player does end up dispossessing him then there is naturally going to be very little cover.

I think Stamenic's workrate has been overlooked in most comments. 90+ minutes into the second game and he was still pressing, still chasing all over the pitch. I thought Libby had an engine but Stamenic was just something else, he also displays a level of time and elegance on the ball which not many other NZ players ever have from what I have seen. Injury free and good time on the field at a reasonably decent level and he will go very far.

I also feel if Just was just a tiny bit bigger and stronger (gym work maybe?) he would also be a very handy player, great skill and vision just tends to get out muscled too easily.
Stamenic is also too slight currently and easily pushed off the ball. He could benefit from time in the gym which has helped Singh in Germany and improve his dominance against teams taller and stronger than the Chinese.
I am sure the Serbians will not be shy about being physical so it should take care of itself. I am also not sure how getting nailed 0-5 by Man City in Champions league does wonders for your confidence and plenty of average players play champions league now that it no longer requires your team to be the actual champions but allows you to finish 3rd in the Malta domestic league and go into the "Champions" tournament. I think retaining possession against teams that let you have it is irrelevant. Also possession football is proving not vital these days it's what you do with it. France won 2018 world cup final scoring 4 goals with 39% possession and finished 19 out of 32 on possession stats for that whole tournament. Where as Spain were Eliminated early averaging 69%.

I see a few things no one is mentioning:

(1) Boxall offside for own goal. If that had cost a goal against us there would be quite some complaining.

(2) Sail brain explosion in 61st minute. Despite some great saves it seems to be coming too regular. 

(3) No designated penalty taker. It's as if NZ are the only nation in the world worse at taking penalties than the English. Our sides have missed more penalties in last 6 years than Germany has missed in the last 106 years. As to people who say "you can't practice penalties", they don't say that in Germany. Look at our multiple misses during U20 world cup shoot out, Olympic Games vs Japan all from this same playing squad. We need to designate some takers. I just hope this miss doesn't destroy Grieve the way missing against Mexico destroyed Brockie (although indeed this China match was only a friendly).In the absence of Wood,I would say Rojas, Singh or perhaps Garbett or Bell? 


It's actually pretty hard to qualify for the Champions League these days. You've got a serious lack of respect for a lot of bloody decent teams. 

A lot of teams who are not champions right? A lot of teams who did not win their league? I am old school. I think the champions league should be for the champions in each country. My main point is that playing champions league is not as difficult as it used to be. If you wanted to play before 97/98 season you had to be in the elite no matter what country you played in, your team had to be the best and that's it. Is it difficult to get into the top 4 in England, Italy or Germany? Yes. Is it as hard as winning the league? There is a huge gap in quality between first in fourth in the top leagues. I think it is more disrespectful for the teams who have won the league to find themselves then playing in the same competition as Tottenham.

Look at this:
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So I can play for the 2nd best team in Czech Republic or Ukraine or Denmark and find myself playing against Real Madrid?

No Sir, I am not disrespecting anyone. UEFA went after the money and disrespected the teams that do win their leagues and the point of the tournament.

Anyway probably not the appropriate thread for this.


Give us a bell when you're playing for Sparta Prague and we'll be sure to make room for you in the next all whites camp

You sre completely missing the point! Unfortunately you are using flawed reasoning and responding to a critical argument with the intellectually lazy "Well, what about you?" What's it got to with me?! By your premise you are saying that the champions league should include every player in Europe who is at the same level of Sparta Prague?! Which is probably every player in the premiership of England, Germany,Italy and Spain as well as all their second division players. 
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At least half (possibly more) of the crowd today were Chinese. It was a similar thing a few years ago when NZ played China at basketball. A couple of tips for new Auckland A League owners - sign a Chinese marquee and bring over a Cinese club side for pre season games.
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12k on a Thursday night in a gridass city on a Thursday night is by far better then a 10k crowd on a lazy Sunday afternoon. It is bad and I  would not be happy with that if I was Wellington.

Watch Auckland to get the one off games from here 

 Your city is like 5x the population of ours. Plus there is a very large Chinese migrant population in Auckland, much bigger than Wellington. So the crowd figures seem pretty reasonable to me.
Bring back Jonny Chen!
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