Why cant Oceania and Asia be one happy family
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Its frustrating that our geographic position is so incredibly damaging to our football. Is it not possible to merge the two federations? Has it ever been raised? Australia are now in the Asian confederation and if they are why arent we? How are we expected to improve playing islands that will disappear when global warmiing really starts to kick in, its not worth our effort.
The Fenix is one of the only ways we can get that regular attention, like a needy child the A-League has become our guardianBlack Plague2007-05-31 10:47:56
Is it as demoralizing as being on 1009 posts but still only being a
Veteran?
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
if Oceania and Asia were to merge they should have a two teir set
up.
Imagine the politics of making it work, would it be worth the gains
for the smaller countries?
i think it would not only be worthwhile for the smaller nations, but the global game.
any changes which increase participation is good for the game. also, the games would add revenue to the nations which may help them further strengthen
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
if Oceania and Asia were to merge they should have a two teir set
up.
I think in 82 and possibly earlier we were part of Asia - Our
qualifying group then included Indonesia, Taiwan and Malaysia I
think.
Why cant Oceania and Asia be one happy family
Its frustrating that our geographic position is so incredibly damaging to our football. Is it not possible to merge the two federations? Has it ever been raised? Australia are now in the Asian confederation and if they are why arent we? How are we expected to improve playing islands that will disappear when global warmiing really starts to kick in, its not worth our effort.
The Fenix is one of the only ways we can get that regular attention, like a needy child the A-League has become our guardianBlack Plague2007-05-31 10:47:56
I think the idea has been mooted, and because it would lead to such
a huge federation the talk was to have an East Asia and a West Asia
grouping system. I think it should seriously be looked at because
Oceania is just too small to be taken seriously.
yeah for sure, it would benefit us more flying to uzbekistan and
playing all the central asian countries than flying to Tahiti. It
really needs to be addressed. Needs to be more than mooted huh haha
East and West would work better than just dumping us with all the
atolls. Our ranking reflects our geographical position. HWn you
look at the ranking some countries that dont even have a
functioning economy are in the top 30 or so, its ridiculous.
I mean its pretty demoralising if you look at the population
makeups of all the confederations, we are non-existent.
agree with black plaque it has been demoralising
Is it as demoralizing as being on 1009 posts but still only being a
Veteran?
lol
Seriously though, would Asia want countries such as American
Samoa and the Cooks, I don't believe so. In my eyes only the
following are worth even thinking about from Oceania (excluding
us):
Fiji
Solomon Islands
Tahiti
Thats a pretty poor list really even with us included. I
really struggle to see how Asia would benefit from adding
even these teams, NZ included. Australia was smart for them,
read $$$$$, but not the rest of us sadly.
if Oceania and Asia were to merge they should have a two teir set
up.
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
An excellent idea, and one I've been a fan of for Europe for a
while. In Europe there are the likes of San Marino, Luxembourg,
Andorra who, while they have the right to be there, devalue the
competition and often it can become a case of whoever scores the
most against the minnows wins qualification. It could be that
the same suggestion would work here with a
combined Asia/Oceania federation.
Imagine the politics of making it work, would it be worth the gains
for the smaller countries?
The Oceania and Asia are basically already merged. Oceania plays
there qualifiers and then play against the 5th place asian team. If
they did merge properly, they would still prob have an oceania
qualifiers tournement to see who will go into the asian qualifiers.
would they really want to let 2 teams in for the Asian qualifiers.
I think it would be great to see a new zealand and a fiji playing
some of these asian nations. Fiji would have half a chance against
the like of Malaysia etc. It would give the island nations
something to play for.
Solomon Islands are a better bet.
i think it would not only be worthwhile for the smaller nations, but the global game.
any changes which increase participation is good for the game. also, the games would add revenue to the nations which may help them further strengthen
there are quite a few asian nations who dont waste their time playing the big ones in the region yet, if they were to play against a country who they feel they will be competitive against (eg Samoa) they may contribute.
the top 2 teams (just an example) from the bottom teir could then be promoted to the top teir (or play in the knockout section).
it would help further the growth of the game (good for FIFA) and also provide fair competition which is good for all.
A great idea. I've been thinking about the whole merging
Oceania with Asia idea but that really benefits no-one. The small
pacific nations would get only end up getting whomped every season
and the Asian confederation would be weakened by their
presence.
Your idea is a perfect solution. The
small pacific islands would still have plenty to play for and
assumuing the AW's win through to the top tier we would have
quality opposition to play at home in games that actually matter.
Even if we didn't qualify for WC at least we are playing decent
teams in our own patch.
Sounds great. It would be good to have the AW's playing regular
games in NZ against quality opponents - even if it was a domestic
based team.
Sorted!!!
Oh. Who is going to let FIFA know our decision?
I assume we email [email protected]??
just send an email pointing them to this thread, that way they get
the perspective of the peoples
Well seven or eight of them anyway.
it could be enough to make them think...dont underestimate the
power of the few.
I think in 82 and possibly earlier we were part of Asia - Our
qualifying group then included Indonesia, Taiwan and Malaysia I
think.
The benefit to Asia would be (on paper at least) the gain of
half a World Cup place (they currently have 4.5 and Oceania has
.5)
I like the idea of the sub federation type qualifying letting the
weaker teams play each other more and the stronger teams coming in
later on in the picture. Easily have sub groups of Oceania, se
asia, south asia, middle east. Bring the big guns (based on world
rankings) in later so you don't get 14nil scorelines.
Can NZS afford to financially convince Asia that they are worthy
themselves, let alone the Pacific Islanders? Looks to me like only
FIFA can do something about it.
All it would take is get the smaller nations within the Asian
confederation on side and there ya go...if enough make noise it'll
be discussed.
also, i have a feeling that if we could get one or two of the power nations in Asia to support the idea it would further gather support of the remaining people concerned.
Remember, this wouldnt be a one way street for benifits. if Asia/Oceania becomes powerful enough then they could earn 5.5 qualifying places, which=more money
gings2007-06-14 22:30:22
also, i have a feeling that if we could get one or two of the power nations in Asia to support the idea it would further gather support of the remaining people concerned.
Remember, this wouldnt be a one way street for benifits. if Asia/Oceania becomes powerful enough then they could earn 5.5 qualifying places, which=more money
gings2007-06-14 22:30:22
We need to somehow get NZ within the Asian zone set up (whether via
merging the two Federations or a NZ defection from Oceania). That
is the only way we are going to get regular quality international
football that matters (in form of Asian Cup and World Cup
qualifying series), the only way we bring the likes of Nelsen back
to play football on a regular basis and the only way we can really
lift the All Whites profile and get the public interested in
international football. World Cup qualifiers against the likes of
Australia and Japan, with all our best players back on deck would
attract excellent crowds and generate plenty of interest. It would
give us something to get excited about - rather than 1 or 2
meaningful games every four years surrounded by a bunch of
irrelevant friendlies that nobody wants to put in front of their
own club football.
Being part of Oceania is great for our junior and women's
teams getting to their respective World Cups - but as part of the
Asian Federation they would actually get more consistent, high
quality competition (rather than a stack of games against the
Island nations and then three matches every four years at a World
Cup). I think we would get much better value and development out of
Asia.
i dont think Asia would accept just us without some major begging
from our end...and if they did our island cousins would be coming
with us...FIFA wouldnt leave them behind.
hopefully common sense will prevail and there'll be one big happy confederation that involves the whole Asia-Pacific region in some way.
hopefully common sense will prevail and there'll be one big happy confederation that involves the whole Asia-Pacific region in some way.
The sub - Oceana category could be that we join Asia as Australia
have.
Then the rest of the Oceana island teams have a qualifing
round. The winner of the island teams gets to join the asia
qualifiers.
That gives the island nations a lot more hope of going through
to something that can improve their game too. Rather than in theory
NZ always going through.
I don't know why we 'expect' to be part of this Asia group while our other Oceanic friends are left to battle it out among themselves to win the right to enter Asian qualifying. The day hasn't come yet when NZ are so powerful in our current company that we can expect special treatment in this way.
The benefit to Asia would be (on paper at least) the gain of
half a World Cup place (they currently have 4.5 and Oceania has
.5)
Just found an interesting book in London covering every world
cup starting at the South PAcific games stright through to the
final and its interesting to see how Oceania has got weaker with
age. In the late 70s through to the early 90s there was us,
the Aussies, Israel (who we used to smash, now they would probably
do that to us), Malaysia, Taiwan and Indonesia (along with the
Pacific Island easy beats).
No wonder FIFA is losing faith with the Confederation
now.
disco_mart2007-06-21 07:22:13