Southern Football (incl Southern United) (Part 1)

From what I understand is Chch Tech should have had the game wrapped up easily, but had a mare. Also there first team keeper was out, and he's been the stand out goalie of the year. So take the results with a grain of salt me thinks

just out of interest, when was the last time a Chch club team beat a Dunedin team - think it might be 2003? quite a long time ago now...most chch teams have been rubbish since the old national league back in 92, Dunedin teams have always dominated the Super Club, Southern & South Island Leagues - Fact

Isn't that why it's the 'beautiful game'? On the day anyone can turn over anyone. There should be no feeble excuses about players being out, it just shows that there wasn't the squad strength there.
It's going to be an interesting game at the Cale. Wonder if Tech will bring the champagne that they've carried round for a while?

Just hope the "quality players" you're referring to aren't players like James Reichwein or Blazej Wieclawski....not sure whats the go with the U19's? personally i'd probably rather be playing against FC Porto over in Northern Ireland than you lot....

Ronaldoknow2009-09-07 12:32:06

re under 19, think you might find Tech are playing up in Napier this year

Just had a look at the Western squad that played down in Dunedin, not too many quality players in there i'm afraid - def not nzfc standard & it thats the second best team from chch!

So Caversham and Tech are going to meet for the 5th time this season, law of averages would suggest its going to be techs day, but Cavy are the form team, any thoughts??

Don't get me wrong Ronaldino, I felt you made a couple of good points in that yes your league is much tighter then Dunedin's. I would much rather Dunedin adopt an 8 team format and feel that is probably the way forward, pending Canterbury's almost inevitable rebuttal to a South Island league (don't you think this would do both federations good?).

However, shouldn't your top teams as a result of playing tough games week in week out in what is supposdly a tight, high standard league simply run all over our Dunedin based clubs? My theory would be that a strong league should breed strong teams however what I have seen over the last 4 or 5 years hasn't been so.

The fact is both Otago and Canterbury NZFC teams don't have the depth for an U19 team. If they are any decent they will find themselves in the senior squad.

I think what Otago has done with regard to it's Milk Cup ventures etc is outstanding and is unrivaled by every province in NZ. If you ask any young footballer I think they would take that over the national league in a breath.

For me both Canterbury and Otago need to work together to make a strong South Island league which will benefit both NZFC franchises.
Kennedy2009-09-07 17:32:09

My question was how many actually stay and play or do they all move away?

This weekends South Island Final.

Dunedin Technical 2 Caversham 1

Rumor has it Scoullar went up front and looked good against Chch Techninal, was replaced well at the back. Should be a good game

Id hate to see jackson against one of those younger boys at the back..If i were Tech i would keep him at the back

jackson is quality, cavy 4 tech numpty

Eating your words now deli lama? Jackson had nothing

Does anybody have any news as to who will be the Otago Untd coach?

Don't you think that the 'board' (lamont and Chidley) just want the season to be over even before it's begun? They will run out the same old tired excuses that the local players are not good enough and finishing bottom is all that can be expected. Could they score in a brothel with a $100 note?

Not at House of pleasure it's $200 there..And also yes i have eaten my words well done Dunedin Tech.Also should United even enter a team this year with as little as 5 of last year's squad backing up

Has the Terry Phelan experiment worked?

No it hasn't worked. It once again proves that a professional player does not always make a decent coach. He apparently works well with elite kids on a one to one basis, but you only have to look at the way he sends his teams out to see he hasn't got the tactical nouse. Mind you he talks a good game, problem is his teams dont play a good game

Lads, Colin Falvey.  Was he just in town for the NZFC season or is he still in Dunedin ?

Cheers.

Phelo has one more year on his contract, so he's either the NZFC coach or the best paid youth team coach in the country. Its interesting with Phelo, he had an alright start in 05-06 but he has had some mingin squads since then, esp in 06-07 & 07-08 years, last year was alright but lacked a few players, but in the end Otago hasn't really kicked on.  Phelo is more suited to the professional game, he'd be an ideal coach at A-League level, maybe not that gaffer but def in the coaching set up, would be interesting if he was coaching a decent team in the NZFC.

In Phelo's defence, its always a battle down here esp with the board & would there be any other coach in the NZFC that would've done a better job with those players????  maybe maybe not, i've heard through the grapevine that Steve Fleming has been offered the job a few times but wont send in his CV, which is required by the board for the selection process in order to be the coach? So yeah looks like either Phelo or Malcy Fleming for the role...

Hard News - Old Pikey Falvey is in the states - https://www.wilmingtonhammerheads.com/teams/13380711/22403-13380778/15331516.html

I don't to what extent he is involved in getting in overseas players but Otago have had a fairly average time of it with them. 

The board has never followed its own rules by having a member from the clubs to their meetings. So no information gets out and the closed shop syndrome is allowed to fester. it's meant to be a franchise and the clubs need to be aware of what is happening. the board puts out that the clubs have never contibuted financially - but they've never been asked, and if they did they would want a more transparent view of how the money was being spent. Imo there was never a business plan, and they have only being looking on a day to day month to month basis. Just ask the players when they received their 'expense' payments - it wasn't during the season. This suggests that this seasons money is already being spent on last year!
As for attracting players, it's no good saying to players come and play but find yourself a job. If Otago had put in place long term coaching programmes then they could attract players who would coach 'grassroots' to earn their keep. So far the only programme in place is so that Mr Fridge gets paid during the summer.

Yeah your right about Phelo getting paid too much just to be a youth team coach but its either that or pay him off.

I was amazed by the comments by Hard Talk. I think it was him?. I was at all meetings concerning OU in the initial set up. As a Northern member. I was allowed to attend. The young lad Chidley (Tech president)was the main instigator to get the clubs together to form OU.He managed to ,get clubs to commit to the OU idea. He was some player in his day and then he left my club and ended up at Tech.   I know OU spend a lot of money on coaching, however i have had them twice at NEV school for a week at a time and they were brilliant.They dont charge the schools and the kids love it. I have go two Cavy lads arriving in a couple of weeks and they are thru OU. What is wrong with free coaching for schools. We would struggle left right and centre without this service. These guys do it for us for nothing.

love the naievity of Charlie George. The programme to go out to the schools is to support the money received from Trusts that pays the wages, so it is not for nothing. I agree that coaching should be in the schools but please dont think that those people gave their time for nothing.

Yeahright, spot on, well looks like its going to be long hard season again, has the potential to be the worst... heard the Peter Verway might be inline for the coaching job up at Roslyn? 

Sorry -Yeahright. I put that wrong. I meant to say that as schools its good that theres no charges to us for coaching.I understand that the programme for us schools was put in place to employ the imports,coaches etc each year. If they are getting grants for coaching in schools and people are doing the coaching.Is that not a good thing for everybody involved.

I agree that it is only a good thing for more kids to be exposed to coaching. What disappoints me is that it is so hit and miss. If a decent long term plan had been put in place ( minimum 3 years) then the ability to attract a better quality of player who is also a coach would have borne fruition. the problem has been that the coaching in the schools is being done so ad hoc with no real planning done. By that I mean from grant to grant.
Kids will love any sort of coaching, but I see a bigger picture whereby not only the schools benefit, but also Otago. I am not talking about imports here, they are a seperate issue. What I'm talking about are NZ based players who make a living (all be it a small one) by playing the game. In Dunedin I can only see Phelo and Fridgey in that category when in reality there should be, and could have been, a couple of players. These players then give you continuity, they can affiliate to a winter club AND more importantly carry on the coaching throughout the year so the grassroots benefit. You also have identities in the community for the youngsters to look up to.
It took Otago 3 years to go into the schools, I amjust disappointed that they have been so short sighted.

I don't understand how so many people blab on about how we have one/two/three of the best clubs in the country based in Dunedin, and yet no-one expects Otago to finish better than last in the National League.

I firmly believe it's how you set the team out so it's down to the coach. At the roadshow recently, Otago Utd reps kept stated that the players are not good enough locally.   The clubs stated they should be competing better with the players they've got. The mindset at Otago is that they will be lucky not to finish last and this transmits to the players. It needs a new coach (and board and gm)to instil some pride back into the players, have a better tactical nous than Phelo (pockets and chase)to reflect the strength at club level.

If somebody has said Dunedin has 3 of the best teams in the country then they are wrong - they do have three good teams but not the best in the country! m-i-k-e2009-09-18 09:11:12

I agree with the sentiments about not having a clue and idol - do you know who any of them are?, but the only person within the board set up in a position to make money is chidley as the gm. I thought BVG was put in there to keep an eye on him.

chidley has done nothing for dunedin football.

Dunedin def hasn't got three of the best teams in the country, having played in the Central League, based on this years league Tech & Cavy would go alright but Roslyn would be down the bottom.

Like James Dean said its hard geographically for Otago to attract players, so its important to keep the nucleus of all the decent players from Cavy Tech & three decent imports, a play off spot is not impossible.

Also been hearing Terry Boylan is heading back to Mosgiel after turning down the Phoenix....

good yarn perry. Agreed based on this years results you are probably right, dunedin has the potential to make the playoffs (obv not this year). Need to get some new blood in there, it is the same useless c**ts year in and year out. Steve fleming would be a great man for the job, hopefully he sucks up his pride and takes the position his record speaks for itself. horseshead212009-09-18 13:16:02