Drop NZFC for National League
Drop NZFC for National League
Is it time to convert the NZFC into a National League competition
along the line of the old league. Or top two teams from regional
leagues based on the 7 federations go into the first year. 14
Team compition with 2 rounds.
Sign a Transport company as sponsor for free travel.
Why? The current league is working as best as can be expected right
now. Why revamp it yet again?
And you mention signing up a sponsor as if all it takes is a
phone call. If only it was all so easy...
Maybe Drop is to harsh but other than in the national youth leagues
have other centres been able to competed with the Auckland $ in
something other than knock out style games. Blew2007-06-08
21:37:25
The old National League was much better!
NZFC is the best we have had. Leave it alone.
Keep the NZFC as it is... except maybe fine Auckland City a
ridiculous amount of money to try to give all the other teams a
chance.
It won't be long and the NZFC will gooble up all the top players
and then with a combination of, enforced rest, recovery from injury
or the club transfer rule there will not be any NZFC players
returning to there clubs to play. The top level of
competion will be then left to the up and coming players. No
it won't they to have NZFC youth competion to play in. Oh
well it is only club football after ali. But soon we will
be left to wonder why the premier club leagues look like the
lower divisons of yester yer.
NZFC is going OK. Need to give it more time. We need to support it
more (i.e. attendance at games). Standard is OK and should improve
in the next couple of seasons. The old National League was
disbanded for a reason - it wasn't sustainable and it did have a
transport firm as a sponsor if I remember correctly.
It won't be long and the NZFC will gooble up all the top players
and then with a combination of, enforced rest, recovery from injury
or the club transfer rule there will not be any NZFC players
returning to there clubs to play. The top level of
competion will be then left to the up and coming players. No
it won't they to have NZFC youth competion to play in. Oh
well it is only club football after ali. But soon we will
be left to wonder why the premier club leagues look like the
lower divisons of yester yer.
But that's the point. The NZFC is the top level of
competition in New Zealand. Emphatically, the old model
didn't work. While I'd love to see a club based national
league it has been tried and failed because the level of
professionalism required to administer a team in that competition
just wasn't there. This way NZ soccer has much greater
control over the league. I think the only thing missing is
for the fans to start having more allegiance to their local
franchise rather than just going along and watching.
National League was TOBACO sponsorship and not sustainable after
smoke free came in.
NZFC not sustainable now after pokie money played with by
government. The problem is that they cut the sponsorship with
legislation but do not increase there own support.
All sport losses as the sponsorship pool gets smaller!
But that's the point. The NZFC is the top level of
competition in New Zealand. Emphatically, the old model
didn't work. While I'd love to see a club based national
league it has been tried and failed because the level of
professionalism required to administer a team in that competition
just wasn't there. This way NZ soccer has much greater
control over the league. I think the only thing missing is
for the fans to start having more allegiance to their local
franchise rather than just going along and watching.
Lets look at this, NZFC goes to the extra rounds SNZ wishes:
Top clubs in Wgtn are with out there top players for half the
season, SNZ under 19 competion takes out next layer of top
players.
Wgtn clubs become 90% juniors 8% social and the top leagues
for inter club compition is filled with how many good
players.
Auckland (AC) and Waitakere (W) NZFC teams are akin
to Olympic and Miramar, where Team Wgtn is not a club and NZS
never intended it to be that way. So AC + W have an instant
advantage as they have a club substructure to support the team.
Team wgtn has no such support to rely on.
NZFC need to have teams based around clubs to survive, so
rethink situation and advance the top club teams from federations.
2 per federation should give good compition, good support
structures, good spectator followin.
the bottom two NZFC teams should get relagated to the northern league and then the top two teams in the northern league get promoted.
plus need for crowds and better stadiums
the bottom two NZFC teams should get relagated to the northern league and then the top two teams in the northern league get promoted.
Why northern league how about the rest of the country they
play football too. If those to teams could beat A City or Waitakare
Ok.
plus the other leagues around the country as well then
That right NZFC should be top 2 teams in eah federation. This would
cut FNZ $$$ and cut down the duplication of infrastructure for the regions.
Go one step further give the seven federations 1 seat each on
a board with a salaried Manger. Leave FNZ to look after national
teams and the politic of the world game. Leave club football to the
clubs.
Na. Na. Na. Leave it alone and let the NZFC develop under the
Direction of NZ Football. We have been down the club based track
and while it worked for a while in the early days of the old
National League it doesn't work across the board. You just drive
clubs into the old money go round and burn out multiple
administrators while creating debt on a large scale. If the 2
Auckland setups are dominated by 2 clubs does that make the NZFC
franchise setup a bad thing for the rest of the country? How about
supporting the team in your area by getting along to all games.
That would make it a hell of a lot easier for the franchise
administrators. Take a look at the interview with Terry Phelan in
this months Soccer Talk. There's a guy with the right attitude!
Ronaldoknow2007-06-11 21:23:57
OK heres the curve ball, keep NZFC, give management to the
franchises with a seat each and 1 to Football NZ. The Franchise's
survival would be there own not the responsibility of FNZ.
After all FNZ should be the governing body not the
promotor/financier(have to cover losses).
If the 2 Auckland setups are dominated by 1 club does that make the
NZFC franchise setup a bad thing for the rest of the
country?
I belevie from what I have read the 2 teams are based on 2
clubs. This gives them manpower, a finacial base from the other
club activities. The other franchises do not have this base
and the flexability it gives.
Sorry to put you wrong there - have edited my post to read "based
on 2 clubs" which is what I meant (sometimes my keyboard makes it's
own decisions). In ChCh the joint club franchise would appear to be
the best option. The last time a club based national league was run
Woolston?Tech put in an entry under the ChCh City brand but failed
to attract decent palyers or crowds and only managed to alienate
other clubs and their supporters. This is probably due to our lower
population base. The previous four clubs that participated in the
old National League are currently in complete disarray (ChCh
United, Woolston (who have merged with ChCh Tech before they became
defunct) and New Brighton are in the lower qualifying league while
Rangers are facing relegation from the Matsons Premier League).
Clearly football is the same as any business - it is a numbers
game. The larger the potential audience the greater chance of
success. Remaining popular with your fan base is the key to
surviving - not whether you are based on a club or a region.
Well where have the crowds gone it not to NZFC. This is the big
problem for football it is the supporters who we have lost not the
players. Could it be the availability of the world game or just the
change in the number of english migrants not coming in the number
they us to.
We have an 75 year old female friend who use to walk to
Chelsea game, still follows them today(paper only now).
NZ has lost much of this english fan base as they grow
older.
That is right. Also with the change in immigration to more
islanders and asians there has been a drop off in "imported"
enthusiasm for the game compared to the euro invasion of the '50's
& '60's that drove our game through till '82. I think this is
now being rekindled as the "new" wave of migrants from Asia, Africa
& the pacific slowly blend in to our culture. Look at how rugby
clubs are starting to go through some of the pain soccer clubs have
experienced in the past 25 years. Sport in this country never
stands still, it is ebb and flow and I feel that football is on the
rise as born here Kiwis start to believe that they can participate
at the world level, and don't need a bunch of ex pats to tell them
how to do it. We are slowly developing our own Kiwi style and
growing in confidence as we do so. There will always be pain/losses
and differences of opinion on what is right and what is wrong but
so long as we keep supporting the game and trying to achieve at the
highest level we will get there.
What ever develops within the NZFC their must always be teams and
grades that are seen as an acheiveable goal for younger NZ players
to aspire too
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Well where have the crowds gone it not to NZFC. This is the big
problem for football it is the supporters who we have lost not the
players. Could it be the availability of the world game or just the
change in the number of english migrants not coming in the number
they us to.
We have an 75 year old female friend who use to walk to
Chelsea game, still follows them today(paper only now).
NZ has lost much of this english fan base as they grow
older.
I totally agree. I grew up in the Waikato and have
always supported a team using a Waikato name (a good idea compared
with say Woolston). Anyway, to the point, my Dad and Uncle
are in the UK expat zone and were NZ football fanatics when I was
younger, driving to Auckland, the Far North, BOP Taupo and Napier
to support a Waikato team. Now only my Dad still goes to games now
and thats only Ngaruawahia where he lives.
Its good that the ex pats got the ball rolling no pun intended -
but it is now up to the next generation to keep it going. We are
only now finding our feet without the experience of those ex pats
to know what works and what doesn't. We will get there and football
will become the number 1 sport in this country.
What can we do as football fans to help grow crowd numbers?
Have more kids - go the Catholics!
OK heres the curve ball, keep NZFC, give management to the
franchises with a seat each and 1 to Football NZ. The Franchise's
survival would be there own not the responsibility of FNZ.
After all FNZ should be the governing body not the
promotor/financier(have to cover losses).
Posted 13 April 2007
Otago have now come out to push for independant managment. I
beleive this is the way forward and hope the other NZFC franchises
support them.
Blew2007-06-24 18:01:36
yea i think that nzfc should make 1 or 2 division league
so other team can het promoted to nzfc league like for
ex:division 1 which ever team comes 1st 2nd 3rd thy should get
promoted to nzfc and which team from nzfc comes 3rd last they get
promoted to division and also from division 2 any team comes 1st
2nd 3rd get promoted to 1st dividion and nzfc will be the premier
league if it happens like this nz soccer league might grow up and
also good players may come and play for nzfc.
Have we got any NZFC teams signed (paided) up to NZ Football to
take part yet. I beleive the sign on fee is quite substantiall, or
is there a sponsor yet?
The entry fee is $65000 plus GST. Every franchise should have that
covered just from the O-League winnings alone that have been
filtered through to all other 7 franchises via Auckland City's last
two WCC ventures. I can recall passing a brown envelope with $58000
to WFC development manager Joe Sprangers in the Warehouse
Stationery carpark in central Hamilton on the 8th February this
year at around 2pm - according to my note on my mobile:-p
That was the amount of money that every other franchise would also
have got. It was sent to my Te Rapa post box initially as that was
the original WFC point of contact when I started the franchise.
All franchises will still be applying for gaming monies to get
through the season and chasing club sponsors for money. NZF did get
a cut of the Auckland City winnings and to me it should only be
right that they re-invest that money back into promoting the NZFC.
The league manager is away on a donut trip in Samoa for the
South Pacific Games. I'd have thought his priority should be here
in his office or on the ground here approaching potential
sponsors for the NZFC. As far as I am aware there is no league
sponsor but the competition is still months away from the start of
season 4 so still time to announce one. It's all last minute stuff
as per usual.
Do Auckland do season tickets?
Yep. And they have the best atmosphere in the NZFC.
Will they still if the Ultra heads to the UK ?
When isn't the league manager on a junket. Animal from the muppets
could organise a better league
The entry fee is $65000 plus GST. Every franchise should have that
covered just from the O-League winnings alone that have been
filtered through to all other 7 franchises via Auckland City's last
two WCC ventures. I can recall passing a brown envelope with $58000
to WFC development manager Joe Sprangers in the Warehouse
Stationery carpark in central Hamilton on the 8th February this
year at around 2pm - according to my note on my mobile:-p
That was the amount of money that every other franchise would also
have got. It was sent to my Te Rapa post box initially as that was
the original WFC point of contact when I started the franchise.
All franchises will still be applying for gaming monies to get
through the season and chasing club sponsors for money. NZF did get
a cut of the Auckland City winnings and to me it should only be
right that they re-invest that money back into promoting the NZFC.
The league manager is away on a donut trip in Samoa for the
South Pacific Games. I'd have thought his priority should be here
in his office or on the ground here approaching potential
sponsors for the NZFC. As far as I am aware there is no league
sponsor but the competition is still months away from the start of
season 4 so still time to announce one. It's all last minute stuff
as per usual.
NZF has agreed to run this years league at a loss as no
sponsor is forthcoming and NZF appear to be doing F**k all as per
usual to attract one.
To have the NZCT sponsoring the league was a complete cop out
and bailed them out of having to get off there collective arses and
find a sponsor.
How can the biggest participation sport in the country not
find a major sponsor worth its salt to sponsor it ? I am
positive you dont have to be a marketing wizard to find a sponsor
for football, but these orgonistions can never afford to employ one
to find out. All the NZCT sponsorship managed to do was to drain
funds away from winter club football.
Club based national leagues IMO will only ever atrract the
support base of the clubs conmcerned. Unfortunately it is the clubs
who manage to have the structures to find the required $ to make
them competitive. Many dont rely on major sponsors, more often they
have connected/wealthy loyal club personnel within who will help to
raise the required $$ to buy players.
Team Wellington will always struggle whilst they try to remain
a collective as they have too many people to report to who have
thier own axes to grind ? Can you ever see them sanctioning the
kind of $$ required to sign a K Jordon or C Menapi. The main reason
TW was formed was to keep D Wilson and the Ole' Madrids out of the
NZCT. Wether you approve or not i would have liked to have seen
what that orgonistion could have achieved in the last 3 seasons. I
suspect rather more than TW has done ??
McDonalds does/did the young football goal crap on tv after the
news...shame they didnt put that $$$ towards the top comp in the
country instead