Sydney and APEC
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"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
All a question of the state asserting it's power.
No it doesn't, read it again.
Subsidies are bad - I completely agree. They are against the spirit of free trade.
You are dead right there Frankie this democracy lark is a bit tedious ,anyway ive just heard a rumour that Enron are going to be sponsoring the Phoenix this year and they have arranged for a friendly game against a Union Carbide 11 in Bhopal and are sponsoring a supporters cruise ship the Exxon Valdez to take us all to the game!!
Because they are such huge corporate businesses i intend like your self to put a blindfold on bend over and put my absolute trust in them!!
Aye right!
"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
All a question of the state asserting it's power.
Kiwi Jambo2007-09-06 09:06:15
Not generalising or anything of course??
It goes like this. One person kicks in a window - that's vandalism. A thousand do the same and that's a "political statement".
I can make the case for that being political too. I've seen police forces being used for political gain. When they ally themselves with the state AGAINST the people. Say like in the Springbok tour of 81?
It all depends on context.
I was at this one. It was *^&%&^% terrifying!!
dairyflat2007-09-17 22:48:21
This only goes to show how lucky we are to live in countries with
such,by and large, good police forces. I'm not sure if i've
entirely responded to your point here but what i mean to say is
attacking an aussie cop who's just doing his job is definately not
a legitamate protest.
and by and large, yes, I agree with that. I have been on demos where clearly nutters just wanted an excuse to "hide in the crowd".
Sydney and APEC
All a question of the state asserting it's power.
"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
Who said that? It just looks like an uneducated opinion to me.
"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
Looks like the comment of a soap-dodging, pot-smoking,
dole-bludging, left wing, bleeding heart pinko to me.
by the way, big businesses can run the world better than
democratic citizens - that is why they are big business'
Looks like the comment of a soap-dodging, pot-smoking,
dole-bludging, left wing, bleeding heart pinko to me.
Don't stop there. You're on a roll.
There's nothing wrong with free trade, privatisation, or
deregulation. They are good things. The less government in our
lives the better. siac2007-09-04 23:48:56
Also, your quote "All a question of the state asserting it's
power." seems to completely contradict the quote you pasted
directly after it.
No it doesn't, read it again.
dairyflat2007-09-05 08:48:09
Is this free trade? Subsidised rich world farmers
selling their products in the same arena as non-subsidised poor
world farmers.
Now that I read your post again I can interpret it in 2 ways. Are
you saying that Apec is an example of the state asserting their
power, or that the people who made the quote is an example of the
State asserting their power?
Because you didn't provide a source for the quote, its context is a little confusing.
Because you didn't provide a source for the quote, its context is a little confusing.
I'm with you now. It's the first interpretation.
Sovereignty? "He also recommended people avoid the area to
allow police and US Secret Service officers to begin road closures
and escort the President." - www.smh.com.au
dairyflat2007-09-05 09:32:22
Is this free trade? Subsidised rich world farmers
selling their products in the same arena as non-subsidised poor
world farmers.
Subsidies are bad - I completely agree. They are against the spirit of free trade.
He said a full-scale riot was probable
because in a crowd a mob mentality easily takes over.
Quote from a Sydney police lawyer. I can see a case for
banning football here...
You are dead right there Frankie this democracy lark is a bit tedious ,anyway ive just heard a rumour that Enron are going to be sponsoring the Phoenix this year and they have arranged for a friendly game against a Union Carbide 11 in Bhopal and are sponsoring a supporters cruise ship the Exxon Valdez to take us all to the game!!
Because they are such huge corporate businesses i intend like your self to put a blindfold on bend over and put my absolute trust in them!!
Aye right!
"�The official APEC is here to push nuclear power, free trade with all its privatisations and deregulation, and to assert that big business can run the world better than democratic citizens. That�s also why APEC promotes repression in our region. That�s why we are protesting and projecting an alternative people�s agenda�."
Looks like the comment of a soap-dodging, pot-smoking,
dole-bludging, left wing, bleeding heart pinko to me.
by the way, big businesses can run the world better than
democratic citizens - that is why they are big business'
lets just get with the times and adopt nuclear power and be done
with it, sh!t it never hurt the Simpsons.....much.
Pro-Nuke-Carney :)
Pro-Nuke-Carney :)
Meanwhile, John Howard said -
"I am pleased to announce that I have agreed with
President George W. Bush today on the importance of
confronting the challenges of climate change and energy
security. This stems from our commitment to action on climate
change that reduces greenhouse gas emissions in ways that enable
all countries to grow their economies, reduce poverty and
improve living standards. It also stems from a commitment to
efficient and diversified energy supplies - including from
zero and low emissions sources - in ways that ensure energy
remains reliable, affordable and secure."
Confronting? By not ratifying the Kyoto
Protocol.... ??? Me lost.
Hilarious - APEC security not so clever. Cue chants of "what a
waste of money..."
"But New South Wales Assistant Police Commissioner Dave Owens
says they are not embarrassed that the fake motorcade managed to
get close to the US President's hotel.
"No, I'm not embarrassed at all," he said.
"What I am is very angry that such a stunt like this would be pulled.
"We have 21 world leaders here, and whilst I enjoy like everyone else - a good laugh - this isn't funny.""
that chaser stunt was hilarious,especially the bit where 3-4 police
arrest the guy dressed as a bodyguard and completely leave the guy
dressed as usama bin laden alone!
Seriously though if i lived in sydney i'd have been
completely pissed off with that great big bloody fence through the
city and roads closed all over the place. And did anyone else see
george bushes motorcade,how rediculous was that,who needs 200 armed
guards for crying out loud!
On the other hand i'm no fan of afore mentioned soap dodging
pinko protesters either. We had g20 in melbourne not so long ago
and i wish the police here had been as tough as in nsw. These
people are just stupid immature little w**kers who think
kicking in a mcdonalds window is somehow making a political
statement!!!
On the other hand i'm no fan of afore mentioned soap dodging
pinko protesters either. We had g20 in melbourne not so long ago
and i wish the police here had been as tough as in nsw. These
people are just stupid immature little w**kers who think
kicking in a mcdonalds window is somehow making a political
statement!!!
Not generalising or anything of course??
It goes like this. One person kicks in a window - that's vandalism. A thousand do the same and that's a "political statement".
no it isint! Thats just a sh*t load of broken windows that need
fixed! 1.if they have a point to make thats fine i'm all for free
speech and if you want to protest a cause thats fine by
me too,but A. do it in a civilised manner and B don't wear a
mask or cover your face witha bandana while doing it,otherwise
you're just a coward.
2.even if i agreed smashing up shop windows was a political
statement,which i don't,attacking police officers and smashing up a
police car certainly isint.
2.even if i agreed smashing up shop windows was a political
statement,which i don't,attacking police officers and smashing up a
police car certainly isint.
I can make the case for that being political too. I've seen police forces being used for political gain. When they ally themselves with the state AGAINST the people. Say like in the Springbok tour of 81?
It all depends on context.
I was at this one. It was *^&%&^% terrifying!!
dairyflat2007-09-17 22:48:21
the thing is mate,you don't live in apartheid south africa or nazi
germany where the police forces really were the 'tools of an evil
empire',if you want to put it in such a dramatic way. You live in
new zealand or in my case australia but am originally from the uk.
In all three cases there we're talking about fairly liberal
democracies where the police are by and large,and i know there's
some bad exceptions, professional and obey the law when it comes to
how they treat citizens,carry out arrests,protect peoples rights
etc. The fact that in melbourne you had some protesters (and again
i know this wasent everyone doing this) spitting,punching and
throwing urine at police and the police,instead of beating the crap
out of people-which i'm sure you'd want to too if someone spat on
you,behaved with real restraint and obeyed the law. This only goes
to show how lucky we are to live in countries with such,by and
large, good police forces. I'm not sure if i've entirely responded
to your point here but what i mean to say is attacking an aussie
cop who's just doing his job is definately not a legitamate
protest. And if any of those people who did it want to really
protest human rights and the behaviour of police forces they should
hop on a plane to jakarta or harare,where there really are some
horrific violations by the state,and see what would happen to them
there.How do you think they'd get on?
and by and large, yes, I agree with that. I have been on demos where clearly nutters just wanted an excuse to "hide in the crowd".
Last week on Lambton Quay
"Sir do you like Greenpeace?"
"No"
It leaves them speechless.
"Sir do you like Greenpeace?"
"No"
It leaves them speechless.
see that would really piss me off if i was out trying to make a
sensible point and protest say the iraq war or an enviromental
issue and you could see some idiots who you knew were just there
for a fight or to pretend they were che geuvare.You'd get a lot
more people to listen to your point of view without them.
Granted but, you know that, sadly,in some respects that's not true.
Lovely, friendly, orderly protest often leads nowhere. Look at the
anti war marches before Bush/Blair sanctioned the onslaught on
Iraq. A MILLION people demonstrated in London and did Blair
listen... did he hell? I often wonder if that
ORDERLY million had become a mob would Blair have dared to
take the decision he did... ?