Cashmere Technical will be a threat as always, underrated side with a few quality players
Mainland Juniors (please play nice)
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
thanks Fred.
SR, that is sort of what I have been getting at.
Mainland comes up with rules and guidelines, clubs decide unilaterally it's pants, ignore/reject ruling, then blame Mainland for being useless.
Not entirley correct, mainland consult the clubs then dont listen to them then set the rules and thats that, so whats the point having meetings with them, I tell you now if the clubs all got on and communicated together mainland would be shut down overnight, there lies the problem clubs need to be able to get on to forced the change, happy to meet anyone that has got to balls to get it rolling
"if the clubs all got on"
they don't. Some clubs leave the planning meetings happy, others a lot less so. Nearly all clubs seem to ignore edicts, guidelines and apparently rules that they are not interested in.
So again, laying the blame for the codes problems squarely at Mainland is not only wildly inaccurate it's as much an obstacle as some of the seemingly arbitary and off the cuff decisions Mainland has made.
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
thanks Fred.
Unclear if this is a one-off weekend session or ongoing after that ?
Cashmere Technical will be a threat as always, underrated side with a few quality players
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
As any busines should, they are protecting their own revenue streams by trying to fend off any alternatives to their own programmes. Big difference here is that their shareholders are their members who on top of paying affiliation fees are having to resort to alternatives because what MF has delivered them has been shortcoming. Not too big a hurdle for old established clubs with structures and paid roles in place to cater for this, but one can understand why newbies SUFC and Waimak have embraced the Burnley program.
If a business can only survive by defending a monopoly instead of "delivering the goods" their shareholders should reasonably expect, then it needs to look at either changing its model or get out of the kitchen.
Waimak and Selwyn chose Burnley because Burnley do it locally - simply more convenient for families who live a distance from ASB Park. Burnely have also established strong footholds in the biggest growth areas in Canterbury - good piece of business that.
PS Monopolies always make more money but tend to become inefficient. Its amazing what a bit of competition can do though!
As any busines should, they are protecting their own revenue streams by trying to fend off any alternatives to their own programmes. Big difference here is that their shareholders are their members who on top of paying affiliation fees are having to resort to alternatives because what MF has delivered them has been shortcoming. Not too big a hurdle for old established clubs with structures and paid roles in place to cater for this, but one can understand why newbies SUFC and Waimak have embraced the Burnley program.
If a business can only survive by defending a monopoly instead of "delivering the goods" their shareholders should reasonably expect, then it needs to look at either changing its model or get out of the kitchen.
Waimak and Selwyn chose Burnley because Burnley do it locally - simply more convenient for families who live a distance from ASB Park. Burnely have also established strong footholds in the biggest growth areas in Canterbury - good piece of business that.
PS Monopolies always make more money but tend to become inefficient. Its amazing what a bit of competition can do though!
That's my point in the post above = create and support competition between clubs, don't sit in opposition to them.
Nike Squad games today at Tullet
CTFC 0 - Nomads 0
FC2011 3 - Nomads 0
Halswell 0 - CTFC 2
Halswell 1 - Nomads 1
CTFC 0 - FC2011 0
watched FTC G16 (I assume the team for Wellington / Nationals) today v FTC Boys 13
couple of real nice players in the girls side, GK is good too. fingers crossed they go well later in the month.
watched FTC G16 (I assume the team for Wellington / Nationals) today v FTC Boys 13
couple of real nice players in the girls side, GK is good too. fingers crossed they go well later in the month.
Who was in goal? Hannah?
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
ya dreaming buddy, nzfootball, mainland football, the biggest joke in christchurch, andy smith not far off
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
ya dreaming buddy, nzfootball, mainland football, the biggest joke in christchurch, andy smith not far off
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
ya dreaming buddy, nzfootball, mainland football, the biggest joke in christchurch, andy smith not far off
very clear by my comment I would have thought, there are two many undisclosed personal interests in this game to the point that no one has any confidence in the administrators of the game which is plainly obvious, if I were mainland football I would be trying to fix my reputation with my customers (clubs) in the first instance, it is plainly obvious that it is all in dis-array. Not a hard task to be honest some just needs to get some balls and get on with it. Same with NZFootball.
National age group tournament:
Mainland U15 boys - champions (first time a boys team from mainland has ever won it)
U16 boys - 5th
U14-15 girls - 4th
so FTC is shit if we win the nationals?
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
ya dreaming buddy, nzfootball, mainland football, the biggest joke in christchurch, andy smith not far off
very clear by my comment I would have thought, there are two many undisclosed personal interests in this game to the point that no one has any confidence in the administrators of the game which is plainly obvious, if I were mainland football I would be trying to fix my reputation with my customers (clubs) in the first instance, it is plainly obvious that it is all in dis-array. Not a hard task to be honest some just needs to get some balls and get on with it. Same with NZFootball.
No restrictions on who can take part. It is not a CTFC thing. They are just helping organise. They have and are running the same program in Auckland. It has obviously been successful up there. I have a lot of time for Roger Wilkinson and John Cartwright, real free thinkers in the game, some of their Premier Skills blogs are excellent. not frightened to question the establishment in the UK.
Mainland have been asked to put details up on their web site. Fliers to be sent to all clubs.
cant see mainland advertising that buddy !
Yes they did - but that is because WR is a considered an all time legend of NZ football and not a private provider. Fact he doesn't front or run these PR sessions himself (for long anyway) has escaped MF. Will be interesting to see what the approach will be when Cameron Howieson visits the home land. No doubt Burnley and their host clubs will be keen to have him fronting at their venues. Would be pretty hard to come up with a valid argument refusing to advertise that one on the Federations websites.
If there is a problem with a member club being able to use the Mainland site to communicate details of what they are doing to promote opportunities in the sport then we all have a real problem.
Surely our Federation's site, a federation that is there to represent our clubs, formed to replace the association of our clubs is there to benefit our clubs.
We can advertise for coaches and players, surely we can also advertise programs, pre -season training etc.
As time goes on there seems to be a greater and greater separation. A real them and us. I thought they were there to help the clubs. At present it appears they are just there to "Help Themselves".
yup, been a common problem city wide. We have made some good progress recently but a major part of that is the Mainland FDO getting out and about with clubs and showing an interest in what our club is doing. In fact I hope to get to ASB Wed 18 to watch 3 clubs Junior ID groups play some games.
ya dreaming buddy, nzfootball, mainland football, the biggest joke in christchurch, andy smith not far off
very clear by my comment I would have thought, there are two many undisclosed personal interests in this game to the point that no one has any confidence in the administrators of the game which is plainly obvious, if I were mainland football I would be trying to fix my reputation with my customers (clubs) in the first instance, it is plainly obvious that it is all in dis-array. Not a hard task to be honest some just needs to get some balls and get on with it. Same with NZFootball.
they maybe but they are true, dont have to be a rocket scientist to work it out just have to be out there with your ears on
Almost invariably "they" turns out to be one pissed off person who has spoken to a few friends over a beer and they have said "Aw thats shit mate, you should say/do something eh!". Without evidence or credibility, its just yet more online ranting I am afraid.
Great to see Cashmere Tech sending a good strong team to ASB yesterday too. :P
'Twas a slaughter!
SR, that is sort of what I have been getting at.
Mainland comes up with rules and guidelines, clubs decide unilaterally it's pants, ignore/reject ruling, then blame Mainland for being useless.
Not entirley correct, mainland consult the clubs then dont listen to them then set the rules and thats that, so whats the point having meetings with them, I tell you now if the clubs all got on and communicated together mainland would be shut down overnight, there lies the problem clubs need to be able to get on to forced the change, happy to meet anyone that has got to balls to get it rolling
Pretty accurate summary. Once again, why do all the regions have a management structure looking after their clubs interests, (Nelson, Marlborough, Mid Canty) but no one representing the Canterbury clubs.
The joys of a quiet Saturday morning and having time to sift through internet forums.
I think the perception might be that all those other groups are not right here in the city, so clubs here dont need it? Also, another question would be who would be in this management team? There are several fairly clearly delineated groups who simply cannot get over themselves and work with others, so they push their own barrows for their short term gain, but long term detriment to junior football. Put them in charge, and we all go backwards, but if you put some fresh faces in, all the self interested, weatherbeaten, "dont tell ME how to run my football" types will simply turn their backs on them, and it breaks down again. Difficult to win.
Righto, back to watching TV now...
Both sides of the argument have their supporters, not all clubs (as Grizly claims), think Mainland are inept. Case in point would be the vote of no confidence proposed by Coastal a few years ago over the School of Football. Major meeting held where only Coastal and Tech fought the good fight, rest of the clubs voted in favour of Mainland.
. Case in point would be the vote of no confidence proposed by Coastal a few years ago over the School of Football. Major meeting held where only Coastal and Tech fought the good fight, rest of the clubs voted in favour of Mainland.
Was there a corresponding decrease in players from those clubs being selected?
some decided not to go, some did. There was some 'issues' around the following TOL into NTC decisions.
not sure about CTFC. Heard CTFC wanted their players inhouse for 2013 instead of FTC, either they aborted the idea or their was lack of buy-in from the families.
Regardless of the outcome, do clubs need greater autonomy in ChCh as Prickly suggests? He had a point that all other regions in the Federation are largely run by the local clubs much like the old CFA.
Both sides of the argument have their supporters, not all clubs (as Grizly claims), think Mainland are inept. Case in point would be the vote of no confidence proposed by Coastal a few years ago over the School of Football. Major meeting held where only Coastal and Tech fought the good fight, rest of the clubs voted in favour of Mainland.
I was not around then, I am now :)
Regardless of the outcome, do clubs need greater autonomy in ChCh as Prickly suggests? He had a point that all other regions in the Federation are largely run by the local clubs much like the old CFA.
Clubs run clubs and follow federation guidelines, Federations administor the game and follow NZF guidelines and in conjuction with there customers / stake holders (clubs)
If NZF get it wrong then it flows down the chain, if there are issuses with a federation then NZF should have a process for managing that, eg so clubs can action this
When there are issues in any organisation no matter what they are you have to always look at the top of the organisation, everything is driven from the top.
We all know there a major issues in this game especially in the mainland ferderation.
Sucess is not only a messure of "We are now making money" that helps for sure but a well run organisation naturaly will create profilt anyway, consider this, "We are making money but our stakeholders are not happy"
Thats statement to me I certainly would not be happy with, how ever when an organisation grows it can get wrapped up in its self and are blind to everything else, it will take the top man to GO to fix it, he is ultimatley the person responsible for everthing in his organisation.
More to consider
"We make money BUT"
a. Mainland Pride Game Attendence is pathetic and they won the league, (WHY?)
b. FTC is being bagged by clubs as quality lowers, clubs are setting up there own solutions. (WHY?)
c. NTC selection is a joke, numbers limited hence quality limited.(WHY?)
d. Competion being created between clubs and federations (WHY?)
WHY because the board / management have no idea of how to deliver the product, they have to go! there have to be changes for Football in the mainland to grow sucessfully and that does not mean profits.
Thats my opinion and the gerneral opinion of the many I come across in this game in the mainland area.
Regardless of the outcome, do clubs need greater autonomy in ChCh as Prickly suggests? He had a point that all other regions in the Federation are largely run by the local clubs much like the old CFA.
Clubs run clubs and follow federation guidelines, Federations administor the game and follow NZF guidelines and in conjuction with there customers / stake holders (clubs)
If NZF get it wrong then it flows down the chain, if there are issuses with a federation then NZF should have a process for managing that, eg so clubs can action this
When there are issues in any organisation no matter what they are you have to always look at the top of the organisation, everything is driven from the top.
We all know there a major issues in this game especially in the mainland ferderation.
Sucess is not only a messure of "We are now making money" that helps for sure but a well run organisation naturaly will create profilt anyway, consider this, "We are making money but our stakeholders are not happy"
Thats statement to me I certainly would not be happy with, how ever when an organisation grows it can get wrapped up in its self and are blind to everything else, it will take the top man to GO to fix it, he is ultimatley the person responsible for everthing in his organisation.
More to consider
"We make money BUT"
a. Mainland Pride Game Attendence is pathetic and they won the league, (WHY?)
b. FTC is being bagged by clubs as quality lowers, clubs are setting up there own solutions. (WHY?)
c. NTC selection is a joke, numbers limited hence quality limited.(WHY?)
d. Competion being created between clubs and federations (WHY?)
WHY because the board / management have no idea of how to deliver the product, they have to go! there have to be changes for Football in the mainland to grow sucessfully and that does not mean profits.
Thats my opinion and the gerneral opinion of the many I come across in this game in the mainland area.
I wonder how many of those you speak to know anything of the governance and management of the game.
Consider this:
Mainland is consistently one of the best performing Feds in terms of financial stability.
The pride get better crowds at a better facility than any other fed. Women's football is still a minority sport; what are you comparing crowd numbers to- women's provincial cricket would be a fair comparison and mainland women's football is doing better than canty women's cricket on crowds numbers and other indicators of developing the game.
I've seen NTC selections (both genders) for 5 years. They get it right about 90% of the time. Occasionally there are other anomalies, like coastal putting pressure on players not to join School of football. NTC is only a benchmark 2 weeks of the year.
Private providers (or clubs trying to do similar) is simply market forces at work. Kids/parents will make their choices.
The Mainland board should not be the focus of your angst. It should be the quality of play - and player development - at the top level in the game here (boys/men). While cashmere tech won Chatham cup and mainland 15s won Nat age group tournament ( and coastal women won KO cup) I would argue that none of those teams played the better football. Winning is fantastic but in terms of developing players for higher honors (esp the men) mainland has a long way to go. "Quality of player development" should be the mainland boards top priority.
Regardless of the outcome, do clubs need greater autonomy in ChCh as Prickly suggests? He had a point that all other regions in the Federation are largely run by the local clubs much like the old CFA.
Clubs run clubs and follow federation guidelines, Federations administor the game and follow NZF guidelines and in conjuction with there customers / stake holders (clubs)
If NZF get it wrong then it flows down the chain, if there are issuses with a federation then NZF should have a process for managing that, eg so clubs can action this
When there are issues in any organisation no matter what they are you have to always look at the top of the organisation, everything is driven from the top.
We all know there a major issues in this game especially in the mainland ferderation.
Sucess is not only a messure of "We are now making money" that helps for sure but a well run organisation naturaly will create profilt anyway, consider this, "We are making money but our stakeholders are not happy"
Thats statement to me I certainly would not be happy with, how ever when an organisation grows it can get wrapped up in its self and are blind to everything else, it will take the top man to GO to fix it, he is ultimatley the person responsible for everthing in his organisation.
More to consider
"We make money BUT"
a. Mainland Pride Game Attendence is pathetic and they won the league, (WHY?)
b. FTC is being bagged by clubs as quality lowers, clubs are setting up there own solutions. (WHY?)
c. NTC selection is a joke, numbers limited hence quality limited.(WHY?)
d. Competion being created between clubs and federations (WHY?)
WHY because the board / management have no idea of how to deliver the product, they have to go! there have to be changes for Football in the mainland to grow sucessfully and that does not mean profits.
Thats my opinion and the gerneral opinion of the many I come across in this game in the mainland area.
I wonder how many of those you speak to know anything of the governance and management of the game.
Consider this:
Mainland is consistently one of the best performing Feds in terms of financial stability.
The pride get better crowds at a better facility than any other fed. Women's football is still a minority sport; what are you comparing crowd numbers to- women's provincial cricket would be a fair comparison and mainland women's football is doing better than canty women's cricket on crowds numbers and other indicators of developing the game.
I've seen NTC selections (both genders) for 5 years. They get it right about 90% of the time. Occasionally there are other anomalies, like coastal putting pressure on players not to join School of football. NTC is only a benchmark 2 weeks of the year.
Private providers (or clubs trying to do similar) is simply market forces at work. Kids/parents will make their choices.
The Mainland board should not be the focus of your angst. It should be the quality of play - and player development - at the top level in the game here (boys/men). While cashmere tech won Chatham cup and mainland 15s won Nat age group tournament ( and coastal women won KO cup) I would argue that none of those teams played the better football. Winning is fantastic but in terms of developing players for higher honors (esp the men) mainland has a long way to go. "Quality of player development" should be the mainland boards top priority.
We obviously travel in different circles and definitley on different wave lengths.
Regardless of the outcome, do clubs need greater autonomy in ChCh as Prickly suggests? He had a point that all other regions in the Federation are largely run by the local clubs much like the old CFA.
Clubs run clubs and follow federation guidelines, Federations administor the game and follow NZF guidelines and in conjuction with there customers / stake holders (clubs)
If NZF get it wrong then it flows down the chain, if there are issuses with a federation then NZF should have a process for managing that, eg so clubs can action this
When there are issues in any organisation no matter what they are you have to always look at the top of the organisation, everything is driven from the top.
We all know there a major issues in this game especially in the mainland ferderation.
Sucess is not only a messure of "We are now making money" that helps for sure but a well run organisation naturaly will create profilt anyway, consider this, "We are making money but our stakeholders are not happy"
Thats statement to me I certainly would not be happy with, how ever when an organisation grows it can get wrapped up in its self and are blind to everything else, it will take the top man to GO to fix it, he is ultimatley the person responsible for everthing in his organisation.
More to consider
"We make money BUT"
a. Mainland Pride Game Attendence is pathetic and they won the league, (WHY?)
b. FTC is being bagged by clubs as quality lowers, clubs are setting up there own solutions. (WHY?)
c. NTC selection is a joke, numbers limited hence quality limited.(WHY?)
d. Competion being created between clubs and federations (WHY?)
WHY because the board / management have no idea of how to deliver the product, they have to go! there have to be changes for Football in the mainland to grow sucessfully and that does not mean profits.
Thats my opinion and the gerneral opinion of the many I come across in this game in the mainland area.
I wonder how many of those you speak to know anything of the governance and management of the game.
Consider this:
Mainland is consistently one of the best performing Feds in terms of financial stability.
The pride get better crowds at a better facility than any other fed. Women's football is still a minority sport; what are you comparing crowd numbers to- women's provincial cricket would be a fair comparison and mainland women's football is doing better than canty women's cricket on crowds numbers and other indicators of developing the game.
I've seen NTC selections (both genders) for 5 years. They get it right about 90% of the time. Occasionally there are other anomalies, like coastal putting pressure on players not to join School of football. NTC is only a benchmark 2 weeks of the year.
Private providers (or clubs trying to do similar) is simply market forces at work. Kids/parents will make their choices.
The Mainland board should not be the focus of your angst. It should be the quality of play - and player development - at the top level in the game here (boys/men). While cashmere tech won Chatham cup and mainland 15s won Nat age group tournament ( and coastal women won KO cup) I would argue that none of those teams played the better football. Winning is fantastic but in terms of developing players for higher honors (esp the men) mainland has a long way to go. "Quality of player development" should be the mainland boards top priority.
We obviously travel in different circles and definitley on different wave lengths.
Dunno about the circles being too different (its not that big a pond to be honest!), but the wavelength is somewhat different. However, you can not achieve a high polish without a decent amount of friction, so there is still hope.
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
Merry Christmas all!
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
I think we have probably got fairly similar ideas on these sorts of things, but what concerns me is a lack of hope I detect in some of your posts. Stay positive, and positive people will join you! Are you a coach? Player? Parent of a player? Sadly there is no message service on these forums, else I would have sent this to you there.
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
:) If you meet me you would see that I am the exact opposite, a very enegertic and postive person, I have been involved in many sports to national level as a player and also to a high level in admimistration, I have never played football, there is a lot of work to do to get it right and personally I see the efforts of others (clubs going in there own direction) forcing the change as apposed to the federation leading the change. The system need changing, as long as you have paid staff protecting there jobs at all cost, which i must say is understandable, then change is not going to happen, quickly anyway.
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
:) If you meet me you would see that I am the exact opposite, a very enegertic and postive person, I have been involved in many sports to national level as a player and also to a high level in admimistration, I have never played football, there is a lot of work to do to get it right and personally I see the efforts of others (clubs going in there own direction) forcing the change as apposed to the federation leading the change. The system need changing, as long as you have paid staff protecting there jobs at all cost, which i must say is understandable, then change is not going to happen, quickly anyway.
Any idea how to sell that to mainland, without anyone losing their jobs? Perhaps the way things are going is simply how things should be. Mainland need to find a way to work with all these providers, but it is a big scary thing to have to change the way one thinks and get out of the comfort zone, especially when its your income on the line. There is a way I am sure, but if I start to think of an option or options, there is always 3 different reasons why it/they wont work.
Perhaps the new folk will just gradually (and in the face of massive resistance and negativity from the old guard) become the new way. And in 20 years time, they too will have to be prised away from their phoney baloney jobs by young and motivated people who know better. Humans eh?
Just for the record Coastal put no pressure on players to not join the school of football back in the day. We (and Tech) merely suggested to Mainland that it wasn't a winning formula. This has since been proven correct.
It was a step in the right direction though? Its been morphed by learning and opportunity into the FTC? And one day I am confident the flaws in FTC will be ironed out, and on we go. As long as one is prepared to accept criticism designed to address issues, then you can never lose. If you let yourself get wrapped up too much in "your way" then you are destined to stay right where you are I think. Dinosaurs failed to accept new ideas, and they have sadly run out of playing time. The game moves pretty fast and so must we!
:) If you meet me you would see that I am the exact opposite, a very enegertic and postive person, I have been involved in many sports to national level as a player and also to a high level in admimistration, I have never played football, there is a lot of work to do to get it right and personally I see the efforts of others (clubs going in there own direction) forcing the change as apposed to the federation leading the change. The system need changing, as long as you have paid staff protecting there jobs at all cost, which i must say is understandable, then change is not going to happen, quickly anyway.
Any idea how to sell that to mainland, without anyone losing their jobs? Perhaps the way things are going is simply how things should be. Mainland need to find a way to work with all these providers, but it is a big scary thing to have to change the way one thinks and get out of the comfort zone, especially when its your income on the line. There is a way I am sure, but if I start to think of an option or options, there is always 3 different reasons why it/they wont work.
Perhaps the new folk will just gradually (and in the face of massive resistance and negativity from the old guard) become the new way. And in 20 years time, they too will have to be prised away from their phoney baloney jobs by young and motivated people who know better. Humans eh?
I believe the process is starting shorlty :)
Oooh do tell.
Oooh do tell.
:)