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coochiee wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Listen to the podcast, the club is going to be around for a long time

Yeah basically Richard Parkin (who seems to know workings of NLWG far better than most), predicts Nix will survive and be given the longevity we all crave.

It will unfortunately still be a continous emotional roller coaster (good news/bad news/good news) for the next few months, but mid-longer term it looks promising. 

Basically the clubs will have balance of voting power over the state Feds, but will take a few months at least (maybe longer) before things are more certain. June 30th I think is the next important date.

If time poor, just listen to podcast from about 40 minute mark. Worth it.

The governance model needs to be approved by a FFA congress without the A-League clubs (28 votes) or the PFA (7 votes) present, leaving the power in the hand of the state federations (55 votes) and the Women's Football Council (10 votes). It appears a 75% majority is needed to approve the governance model, meaning as few as three state federations acting in concert can prevent it from passing. 

From page 28 of the Congress Review Working Group

1. The CRWG considers that, subsequent to endorsement by the FFA Board, there is likely to be a constitutional requirement for the final governance model and associated financial and licensing arrangements to be approved by the FFA Congress by Special Resolution

2. The CRWG recommends that the Special Resolution be drafted and agreed by the FFA Board and the APFCA in consultation with the other NLWG members. 

3. The APFCA and PFA CRWG Members have agreed in principle that the meeting of Congress that would consider that Special Resolution would not be attended by APFCA FFA Members nor by PFA FFA Members and that a quorum would be achieved through the attendance of Member Federation FFA Members as well as the Women’s Council FFA members. 

4. The required 75% prescribed majority would need to be achieved by the quorum of Congress in order for the Special Resolution to be passed.

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There's this guy, Mark Rudan, leaving his club at the end of the season. Maybe we should take a look at him for the role

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Ryan wrote:

But the clubs have the say not the state federations.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

Oops, just saw that AV has clarified this.

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I thought Richard said the clubs had the majority, must of missed it.

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coochiee wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Listen to the podcast, the club is going to be around for a long time

Yeah basically Richard Parkin (who seems to know workings of NLWG far better than most), predicts Nix will survive and be given the longevity we all crave.

It will unfortunately still be a continous emotional roller coaster (good news/bad news/good news) for the next few months, but mid-longer term it looks promising. 

Basically the clubs will have balance of voting power over the state Feds, but will take a few months at least (maybe longer) before things are more certain. June 30th I think is the next important date.

If time poor, just listen to podcast from about 40 minute mark. Worth it.

The governance model needs to be approved by a FFA congress without the A-League clubs (28 votes) or the PFA (7 votes) present, leaving the power in the hand of the state federations (55 votes) and the Women's Football Council (10 votes). It appears a 75% majority is needed to approve the governance model, meaning as few as three state federations acting in concert can prevent it from passing. 

From page 28 of the Congress Review Working Group

1. The CRWG considers that, subsequent to endorsement by the FFA Board, there is likely to be a constitutional requirement for the final governance model and associated financial and licensing arrangements to be approved by the FFA Congress by Special Resolution

2. The CRWG recommends that the Special Resolution be drafted and agreed by the FFA Board and the APFCA in consultation with the other NLWG members. 

3. The APFCA and PFA CRWG Members have agreed in principle that the meeting of Congress that would consider that Special Resolution would not be attended by APFCA FFA Members nor by PFA FFA Members and that a quorum would be achieved through the attendance of Member Federation FFA Members as well as the Women’s Council FFA members. 

4. The required 75% prescribed majority would need to be achieved by the quorum of Congress in order for the Special Resolution to be passed.

Feels like there's a story waiting to be written here, AV? 

I get from this that the state federations apparently have the 'voting' power, for the next step(s) at least. But, where do the incentives lie for each of the parties / groupings? Presumably the state feds want more money for the game at their level? How do they achieve that? My guess is they'd be paddling up shark creek without APFCA/PFA FFA members on side. 

Not for the first time, the independent A League issue finds it's way into the wrong thread! And, yes, I'm guilty.

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JC wrote:

coochiee wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Listen to the podcast, the club is going to be around for a long time

Yeah basically Richard Parkin (who seems to know workings of NLWG far better than most), predicts Nix will survive and be given the longevity we all crave.

It will unfortunately still be a continous emotional roller coaster (good news/bad news/good news) for the next few months, but mid-longer term it looks promising. 

Basically the clubs will have balance of voting power over the state Feds, but will take a few months at least (maybe longer) before things are more certain. June 30th I think is the next important date.

If time poor, just listen to podcast from about 40 minute mark. Worth it.

The governance model needs to be approved by a FFA congress without the A-League clubs (28 votes) or the PFA (7 votes) present, leaving the power in the hand of the state federations (55 votes) and the Women's Football Council (10 votes). It appears a 75% majority is needed to approve the governance model, meaning as few as three state federations acting in concert can prevent it from passing. 

From page 28 of the Congress Review Working Group

1. The CRWG considers that, subsequent to endorsement by the FFA Board, there is likely to be a constitutional requirement for the final governance model and associated financial and licensing arrangements to be approved by the FFA Congress by Special Resolution

2. The CRWG recommends that the Special Resolution be drafted and agreed by the FFA Board and the APFCA in consultation with the other NLWG members. 

3. The APFCA and PFA CRWG Members have agreed in principle that the meeting of Congress that would consider that Special Resolution would not be attended by APFCA FFA Members nor by PFA FFA Members and that a quorum would be achieved through the attendance of Member Federation FFA Members as well as the Women’s Council FFA members. 

4. The required 75% prescribed majority would need to be achieved by the quorum of Congress in order for the Special Resolution to be passed.

Feels like there's a story waiting to be written here, AV? 

I get from this that the state federations apparently have the 'voting' power, for the next step(s) at least. But, where do the incentives lie for each of the parties / groupings? Presumably the state feds want more money for the game at their level? How do they achieve that? My guess is they'd be paddling up shark creek without APFCA/PFA FFA members on side. 

Not for the first time, the independent A League issue finds it's way into the wrong thread! And, yes, I'm guilty.

It's a pretty complicated web of competing agendas, and I think it'd be fair to say that no-one right now knows how it's going to play out. 

Another big spanner in the works is FOX, which is going to be consulted about the proposed new league model as well, and which has already fired a shot to the league saying that they can't assume that the next TV deal will be better than the current one - in fact, they said if the things don't improve, it could turn out to be worse.

Ultimately whatever deal is struck in the end, it'll be based on a compromise. And where everyone's bottom lines there will be - guess we will find out.

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coochiee wrote:

Richard Parkin in this week's podcast, offers some great insight into who he thinks should be the next Nix coach. Sort of flows on from a question from Craig Foster, in that he can't really see "what the Nix as a club stand for".

Parkin basically says that the club should go back to having a very strong 'Kiwi brand'. Which means the coach should be from NZ, with a strong core of Kiwi/AWs players.... He seemed to be pushing Buckingham 

Sounds like marketing talk. Strong Kiwi brand just isn't practicable ATM.

Look at the non-NZ influences in the Nix starting XI:

                   Poland

Hungary England Australia Poland  Italy

           Switzerland   Spain

                    India

          Australia     Fiji

Not many out-and-out kiwis in the squad.

As for Buckingham, he isn't particularly kiwi, and my 2c says he made poor selections at age group level and when caretaker Nix manager.

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Are you seriously saying that Fenton, Libby, Rufer, and Singh aren't Kiwis?

and 1 other
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el grapadura wrote:

Are you seriously saying that Fenton, Libby, Rufer, and Singh aren't Kiwis?

He's not a racist though, ay?! Some of his best mates aren't "out and out Kiwis" either. ?

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What the hell is an" out and out kiwi".

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(just for the record this guy isn't an "Out and Out Kiwi" either)

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Five of the best eleven are eligible to play for nz and a sixth came through the nz system and is a citizen.

More than half the team are kiwis.

An out and out kiwi is anyone who lives here and wants to be one.

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Ryan wrote:

Five of the best eleven are eligible to play for nz and a sixth came through the nz system and is a citizen.

More than half the team are kiwis.

An out and out kiwi is anyone who lives here and wants to be one.

Rules me out then!

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el grapadura wrote:

Are you seriously saying that Fenton, Libby, Rufer, and Singh aren't Kiwis?

Of  course not. They're definitely kiwis. I'm saying that they may have had the benefit of football culture from other countries, and all are or were eligible to play for NZ and another country.

Players who don't have this benefit don't seem to be cracking the first eleven in large numbers - right?

My point is that a 'strong kiwi brand' is not practicable until NZ gets a stronger football culture. Until then, club should just aim to be successful. 

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C-Diddy wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Five of the best eleven are eligible to play for nz and a sixth came through the nz system and is a citizen.

More than half the team are kiwis.

An out and out kiwi is anyone who lives here and wants to be one.

Rules me out then!

As it should being a closet Jets fan
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Nervous nellie now, as to whether Louie has been cap tied by the AWs.

Don't want the Hungarians coming down and pinching our modern day Puskas.

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nixin wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Are you seriously saying that Fenton, Libby, Rufer, and Singh aren't Kiwis?

Of  course not. They're definitely kiwis. I'm saying that they may have had the benefit of football culture from other countries, and all are or were eligible to play for NZ and another country.

Players who don't have this benefit don't seem to be cracking the first eleven in large numbers - right?

My point is that a 'strong kiwi brand' is not practicable until NZ gets a stronger football culture. Until then, club should just aim to be successful. 

Ah yes that strong Indian football culture.

They came through the nz system,it doesn't matter what their lineage is.

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Ryan wrote:

Ah yes that strong Indian football culture.

... yes, football is very popular in India.

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... and it is here too...

JC
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Meanwhile, I think we were once upon a time hunting for a coach on this thread. Weren't we?

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Ricki Herbert has coached in India...

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ballane wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Five of the best eleven are eligible to play for nz and a sixth came through the nz system and is a citizen.

More than half the team are kiwis.

An out and out kiwi is anyone who lives here and wants to be one.

Rules me out then!

As it should being a closet Jets fan

Who are the Closet Jets?

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nixin wrote:

coochiee wrote:

Richard Parkin in this week's podcast, offers some great insight into who he thinks should be the next Nix coach. Sort of flows on from a question from Craig Foster, in that he can't really see "what the Nix as a club stand for".

Parkin basically says that the club should go back to having a very strong 'Kiwi brand'. Which means the coach should be from NZ, with a strong core of Kiwi/AWs players.... He seemed to be pushing Buckingham 

Sounds like marketing talk. Strong Kiwi brand just isn't practicable ATM.

Look at the non-NZ influences in the Nix starting XI:

                   Poland

Hungary England Australia Poland  Italy

           Switzerland   Spain

                    India

          Australia     Fiji

Not many out-and-out kiwis in the squad.

As for Buckingham, he isn't particularly kiwi, and my 2c says he made poor selections at age group level and when caretaker Nix manager.

crazy how half these foreigners speak with a kiwi accent and were developed through the NZ football system, not the Hungarian or Indian system. Just because some of them don't have an Anglo-Saxon background or their families haven't been in New Zealand since the 1800s, it does not mean that it determines their football "influences". Surely your environment plays a much bigger part in development than whatever strange point you were making. All Kiwis are Kiwis, just some more than others? 
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Ok, we've discussed Nix place in the league and the independent A-League as well as not an out, and out Kiwis. Can we please get back on topic. If you want to discuss the other two topics, take them to their respective threads. 

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Serious questions

There did appear to be a lot of "chatting" with our players after the game on Sunday.  I took that as a positive sign.  So, do we (if as rumoured) take Rudan's word that he is the man.

A lot of downers on here regarding Joyce.  If he is out of a job, why is he so bad an option?  Brings a lot of experience from both England and the A league.

I strongly believe that Kurtz would never come here if he was unhappy with the hierarchy at Adelaide.    

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Walsall Boy wrote:

Serious questions

There did appear to be a lot of "chatting" with our players after the game on Sunday.  I took that as a positive sign.  So, do we (if as rumoured) take Rudan's word that he is the man.

A lot of downers on here regarding Joyce.  If he is out of a job, why is he so bad an option?  Brings a lot of experience from both England and the A league.

I strongly believe that Kurtz would never come here if he was unhappy with the hierarchy at Adelaide.    

Aisle 22 after Dura and 21 for Roy??

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theprof wrote:

Walsall Boy wrote:

Serious questions

There did appear to be a lot of "chatting" with our players after the game on Sunday.  I took that as a positive sign.  So, do we (if as rumoured) take Rudan's word that he is the man.

A lot of downers on here regarding Joyce.  If he is out of a job, why is he so bad an option?  Brings a lot of experience from both England and the A league.

I strongly believe that Kurtz would never come here if he was unhappy with the hierarchy at Adelaide.    

Aisle 22 after Dura and 21 for Roy??

Maybe a bit early for Roy based on current love but certainly for Dura.  Might be tough convincing Rugby dominated stadium management though.  

Having said that prof, what has this got to do with the next coach and my questions?

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Yep, remove the handbag one from Ailse 13, he loves Auckland more than Wellington anyway.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Yep, remove the handbag one from Ailse 13, he loves Auckland more than Wellington anyway.

Sorry no, he is a coach now and cant be expected to spend all his life coaching here.Not sure he has been offered the chance here any way.Dura yes Roy no lets what and see where he signs.

Joyce no thanks they havnt played the most inspiring football..

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ballane wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yep, remove the handbag one from Ailse 13, he loves Auckland more than Wellington anyway.

Sorry no, he is a coach now and cant be expected to spend all his life coaching here.Not sure he has been offered the chance here any way.Dura yes Roy no lets what and see where he signs.

Joyce no thanks they havnt played the most inspiring football..

Joyce is a massive no. Cities football has been horrific. Look at the state of their fans? Hardly turning out despite their side being OK. 

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ballane wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yep, remove the handbag one from Ailse 13, he loves Auckland more than Wellington anyway.

Sorry no, he is a coach now and cant be expected to spend all his life coaching here.Not sure he has been offered the chance here any way.Dura yes Roy no lets what and see where he signs.

Joyce no thanks they havnt played the most inspiring football..

no harm in keeping aisle 13 as Umaga's, he earned it during his playing days - Dura the same and Krishna too.

LG
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K-man would be good.

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I don't see Durante or Krishna as being at 'aisle naming level'.

Even more confused as to what it's got to do with us finding a new coach.

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Colvinator wrote:

I don't see Durante or Krishna as being at 'aisle naming level'.

Even more confused as to what it's got to do with us finding a new coach.

Dura is close, just missing the local boy factor - longevity, influence on the club, length as captain, also conveniently has the number of the Fever Zone, so would be appropriate in that regard.

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aitkenmike wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

I don't see Durante or Krishna as being at 'aisle naming level'.

Even more confused as to what it's got to do with us finding a new coach.

Dura is close, just missing the local boy factor - longevity, influence on the club, length as captain, also conveniently has the number of the Fever Zone, so would be appropriate in that regard.
Fowler at Brisbane next season ....Grobelaar for nix???? Lolz

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Fritz Schmid? He has the credentials!

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Brown Bear wrote:

Fritz Schmid? He has the credentials!

It would give him something to do!

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Ufuk Talay, Rumoured to be the next coach after interviewing well. Current Sydney FC Assistant 

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Ufuk Talay, Rumoured to be the next coach after interviewing well. Current Sydney FC Assistant 

Rumored by who? 

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Ufuk Talay, Rumoured to be the next coach after interviewing well. Current Sydney FC Assistant 

If my memory serves me well, we turned him down as a player when he was available several seasons ago.

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