And obviously TW attendances have increased since the travelling circus began. But then by your same logic they'd decrease in the city that they're travelling to.
(Both are untrue, just trying to work out your logic here as it doesn't quite seem to add up)
Smith on Vietch at 2:45pm. Hopefully he doesn't get binned this time.
You mean "some bloke from the yellow fever" on Vietch?
(ooh err)
Meant to be after 3 now.
It's pretty annoying to get to though.
So instead of once a season, you are advacating for 2 or 3 times a season.
What I'm suggesting is instead of Gareth investing millions in an Auckland A League franchise which would kill ACFC, it would be better to bring the Nix to Auckland two or three times, which I think would allow ACFC and the ASBP to survive. Better still put money in the ASBP rather than in another NZ A League franchise so it's a flourishing feeder base for the Phoenix.
So instead of once a season, you are advacating for 2 or 3 times a season.
What I'm suggesting is instead of Gareth investing millions in an Auckland A League franchise which would kill ACFC, it would be better to bring the Nix to Auckland two or three times, which I think would allow ACFC and the ASBP to survive. Better still put money in the ASBP rather than in another NZ A League franchise so it's a flourishing feeder base for the Phoenix.
So instead of once a season, you are advacating for 2 or 3 times a season.
What I'm suggesting is instead of Gareth investing millions in an Auckland A League franchise which would kill ACFC, it would be better to bring the Nix to Auckland two or three times, which I think would allow ACFC and the ASBP to survive. Better still put money in the ASBP rather than in another NZ A League franchise so it's a flourishing feeder base for the Phoenix.
Agree with Fortean Times. I'm an Aucklander but its the Wellington Phoenix (and I don't mean that in a sense that its not wanted here in Auckland)
Bluemagic, your point of view really is protectionalist towards ACFC. a bit myopic.
RJ what you say is true. Crowd and TV ratings for Friday night cricket are rubbish. You could pay Sky to screen it and I doubt it will have much as a support base still.
The good old days of the national league are well and truly gone and this really is it. Call it defeatist if you want but for all the investment in the game, what would it get you, an extra 1500 bums on seats maximum?
So instead of once a season, you are advacating for 2 or 3 times a season.
What I'm suggesting is instead of Gareth investing millions in an Auckland A League franchise which would kill ACFC, it would be better to bring the Nix to Auckland two or three times, which I think would allow ACFC and the ASBP to survive. Better still put money in the ASBP rather than in another NZ A League franchise so it's a flourishing feeder base for the Phoenix.
I don't think there is any realistic amount of money that can be invested in the ASBP that will make the media interested. Our domestic Rugby and Cricket competitions really struggle and those sports are globally minute compared to Football. And without the media it won't develop any wider interest. I think the only genuine way forward is linking ourselves to Australia and Asia. I think another a-league team in Auckland, and eventually one in Christchurch as well, makes sense.
If we skipped OFC and it fell over, FIFA would just split Asia into two and drag Australia back out way along with places like Guam, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines and other places in East Asia etc. It wont work out how people think.
AFC is a waste of time without money. We wont even be playing that many more games. We'll substitute the OFC Cup for the Asia Cup, and if we get knocked out early will probably end up playing less games... same goes for WC qualifying. We would end up broke as fuk if we had to fly to a whole heap of middle eastern nations too, leaving nothing for international friendlies.
We're pretty much fucked either way. OFC is weak, AFC is too costly. Lets revisit this when NZ has a population of 20m people and a larger economy ...
Can we get back to the topic of Phoenix crowds please. Plenty of other threads to talk about OFC/AFC and the ASBP.
Nix crowds are as high as they will ever get and there's nothing we can do about it. IBTL.
Nix crowds are as high as they will ever get and there's nothing we can do about it. IBTL.
Can we get back to the topic of Phoenix crowds please. Plenty of other threads to talk about OFC/AFC and the ASBP.
Nix crowds are as high as they will ever get and there's nothing we can do about it. IBTL.
Re: your sig. lol.
I always wondered how much the main sponsor add to finances. Dome said in that radio interview on Sunday that Huawei brings more money to the club than all season members tickets sales. Quick calculation ~$150/pass * ~3500 members = ~525,000.
He also mentioned they need 9500 per game to break even, is that right? So we are 1500-2000 short, is it possible to fill with a better performance? Will bring a final matches an extra 10.000? That would bring some extra cash.
So instead of once a season, you are advacating for 2 or 3 times a season.
What I'm suggesting is instead of Gareth investing millions in an Auckland A League franchise which would kill ACFC, it would be better to bring the Nix to Auckland two or three times, which I think would allow ACFC and the ASBP to survive. Better still put money in the ASBP rather than in another NZ A League franchise so it's a flourishing feeder base for the Phoenix.
Reckon with a few more decent results and a continuation of the positive vibes from the press, the crowds will return.
Dear Yellow Fever,
You are never going to resemble an English Football fan base, so put your shirts back on, shut up and clean up your act up.
You are a disgrace to New Zealand Football and one of the main reasons why Phoenix crowds are so bad. Parents simply do not want to expose their children to your crap, nor does any self respecting individual wish to be subjected to your dribble week in, week out.
Even the Phoenix owner can't stand your carryon. You don't own the club or really do much for it apart from complain. Sort it out.
Rant over.
Not Gareth Morgan
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ACFC's albeit smaller version gets the same frosty attitude from some of the City haters on this forum, it's a fact of life in NZ football. Some dour so-called football fans come to games and expect silence. Humour, chants, songs are not to be tolerated. They are who they are. You do the Phoenix proud YF because you have passion for your club, just like we do at Kiwitea Street. Sing louder I say.
Reckon with a few more decent results and a continuation of the positive vibes from the press, the crowds will return.
maybe 2014/15 but not for the few remaining home games unless guaranteed 6th is a win away..ie last game of season..
Actually, I think if those things make someone who goes to all games lose interest (or that they hate it) then it's probably put a casual fan off more.
During the 6 weeks with no games in wellington, even I lost interest. So I can only imagine how much interest a more casual fan would have lost.
Now that we've had a fair few games in a row, I'm right back into it again. But then I looked at the schedule and there isn't another game for a month again, so that disappointed me again. Had a conversation with someone at work who had heard about a lot of nix games in welington, and the buzz of us winning. She asked when the next game was, I said a month and she said "damn, oh well" and lost interest immediately.
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The real Manchester club you mean? Light blue tops??
The unique thing about the Nix is that no one really had a chance to support anyone else. After Aucklands turn, it was ours. Would have been interesting if the Knights had still existed when the Nix were started.
Fans like atrick, show that people can e attracted to the game and it is these types of fans that need to be encouraged.
Being an active ACFC fan (I know, that'll come as a surprise to some) I wouldn't like to see an Auckland A League side join the Nix as it would be the end of ACFC and the ASBP. An Auckland A League side would simply suck up all the attention and money. That in turn would mean an end to O League participation too and the Fifa Club World Cup as any A League club has to be registered with the Asian Confederation and not Oceania (even though the Nix can't qualify for the AFC).
However as the last big urban centre in Australasia without an A League club I probably think its inevitable someone will bankroll an Auckland A League franchise one day. I just hope its way down the line so we can enjoy a few more good years of the ASBP, O League and CWC.
The real Manchester club you mean? Light blue tops??
The unique thing about the Nix is that no one really had a chance to support anyone else. After Aucklands turn, it was ours. Would have been interesting if the Knights had still existed when the Nix were started.
Fans like atrick, show that people can e attracted to the game and it is these types of fans that need to be encouraged.
I always wondered how much the main sponsor add to finances. Dome said in that radio interview on Sunday that Huawei brings more money to the club than all season members tickets sales. Quick calculation ~$150/pass * ~3500 members = ~525,000.
He also mentioned they need 9500 per game to break even, is that right? So we are 1500-2000 short, is it possible to fill with a better performance? Will bring a final matches an extra 10.000? That would bring some extra cash.
I always wondered how much the main sponsor add to finances. Dome said in that radio interview on Sunday that Huawei brings more money to the club than all season members tickets sales. Quick calculation ~$150/pass * ~3500 members = ~525,000.
He also mentioned they need 9500 per game to break even, is that right? So we are 1500-2000 short, is it possible to fill with a better performance? Will bring a final matches an extra 10.000? That would bring some extra cash.
At the members function a month or so back, Rob Morrison (who had obviously come from a long wet lunch) made some interesting comments around crowds. Usual "costs too much to play in Wgtn" stuff, but also made a vague reference to the Huawei sponsorship that sounded like it was part of the contract that they had to play around NZ (particularly Auckland I think) to spread the sponsorship dollar. Anyone else pick that up? Regardless, what I picked up from him there was that the away games aren't going away any time soon.
Partially agree with BM in that we need to steer clear of putting all eggs into Australia league basket but also disagree with NZ Phoenix - steer clear of Auckland. I see Dome's banging on with the threats of not bringing games back to the wonderful City of Auckland if fans don't turn up. I'm personally hoping they don't turn up and the Phoenix don't come back.
PS plenty of TV adverts here.
Reckon with a few more decent results and a continuation of the positive vibes from the press, the crowds will return.
Maybe some pressure needs to be put on the Wellington council and/or stadium to reduce costs. The alternative to them not doing that is the team playing home games out of town more [on more favourable terms] and if necessary moving full time to another city.This happens a lot in American sport, the team owners [businesses that wish to make money] go where they get the best deal. If they can do better elsewhere, they will look to move. They don't always move but do use the threat to get more favourable deals in their current location. I know it might sound harsh to the 4,000 odd Wellignton domiciled fans that turn up every game [I'm estimating the others come from out of town] but the owners need to make money and the right location is part of that. What might be a limiting factor is that there are not many alternatives to move to.
Saw two adverts very late at night on TV for the game. Thank god I am on nightshift to see them. They were on at some obscure hour.
Maybe some pressure needs to be put on the Wellington council and/or stadium to reduce costs. The alternative to them not doing that is the team playing home games out of town more [on more favourable terms] and if necessary moving full time to another city.This happens a lot in American sport, the team owners [businesses that wish to make money] go where they get the best deal. If they can do better elsewhere, they will look to move. They don't always move but do use the threat to get more favourable deals in their current location. I know it might sound harsh to the 4,000 odd Wellignton domiciled fans that turn up every game [I'm estimating the others come from out of town] but the owners need to make money and the right location is part of that. What might be a limiting factor is that there are not many alternatives to move to.
Well said Ballane, that sums it all up quite nicely. as I have referred to before. Average 7k v 900.
Agree with Fortean Times. I'm an Aucklander but its the Wellington Phoenix (and I don't mean that in a sense that its not wanted here in Auckland)
Bluemagic, your point of view really is protectionalist towards ACFC. a bit myopic.
RJ what you say is true. Crowd and TV ratings for Friday night cricket are rubbish. You could pay Sky to screen it and I doubt it will have much as a support base still.
The good old days of the national league are well and truly gone and this really is it. Call it defeatist if you want but for all the investment in the game, what would it get you, an extra 1500 bums on seats maximum?
So you are saying forget NZ having a national league. I'm protective of ACFC because without ACFC there is no ASBP and no credible O League competitor. I don't want to see an Auckland A League franchise, although I suspect it's inevitable, because it will be the end of our national league. If I'm a bit myopic JV then you're a bit defeatist.
Have seen a few Nix ads at the movies at Reading Courtney in the last few weeks, advertising upcoming games, not seen many of the bus shelter ads recently though.
We usually have a few ads at reading, we get given them to put in poster boxes as part of the sponsorship.
Including the cardboard cut outs of brockie and ifill outside the steer and beer restaurant that I have to walk past many times a day. They usually have posters of upcoming games on them too (depending whether staff remember to change them or not)
Agree with Fortean Times. I'm an Aucklander but its the Wellington Phoenix (and I don't mean that in a sense that its not wanted here in Auckland)
Bluemagic, your point of view really is protectionalist towards ACFC. a bit myopic.
RJ what you say is true. Crowd and TV ratings for Friday night cricket are rubbish. You could pay Sky to screen it and I doubt it will have much as a support base still.
The good old days of the national league are well and truly gone and this really is it. Call it defeatist if you want but for all the investment in the game, what would it get you, an extra 1500 bums on seats maximum?
So you are saying forget NZ having a national league. I'm protective of ACFC because without ACFC there is no ASBP and no credible O League competitor. I don't want to see an Auckland A League franchise, although I suspect it's inevitable, because it will be the end of our national league. If I'm a bit myopic JV then you're a bit defeatist.
After 16 rounds...
http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=att
MV 22, 969
SFC 19, 782
ROAR 16, 365
WSW 15, 368
JETS 12, 499
AU 11, 366
HEART 9, 967
PG 9, 963
CCM 9, 916
NIX 7, 576
