All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

2012 OFC Nations Cup Solomon Islands

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

At least we have an Olympic tournament to (hopefully) turn things around. 

 

That's really a Mickey Mouse tournament in footballing terms.

On what basis "Mickey Mouse"? It's a quality tournament, in fact the world u-23 finals with the best u-23 national sides quaifying- or in Europe's case, the best u-21 national sides qualify from the UEFA u-21 Finals (just because they're stubbornly attached to their long tradition of u-21 football) and then they can add players up to age 23 before the finals. And then you have three of the best senior team players from each country. u-21 football is a big deal in Europe, the major youth category used to assess young players for future senior national sides, and synchs easily with u-23 football.

I see the u-23 category as a very useful bridge between u-17 and u-20 international football and the full senior deal. Having full international sides competing at the Olympics is not needed of course as the senior World Cup caters for that.

It's mostly a British prejudice against a tournament they weren't able to enter after 1974 when the FA uniquely refused to acknowledge any distinction between amateur and pro football any more, and to be fair they have a surfeit of football to watch at stadia or on TV or the internet.. Even then about a million Olympic football tickets had already been sold by early May - more than any other sport.

Lots of British fans are seeing it positively on internet forums as a chance to see quality international football in their own cities and regions esp. now England internationals are once more exclusively being played at Wembley.

A positive English assessment of the Olympic Football:

http://calciato.com/2012/04/25/olympic-football-draw-hoped-to-stimulate-ticket-sales/

Brazil are certainly taking it seriously and aren't really making any distintion between their full national side and their Olympic side as they integrate both with the aim of sucess in London and at home in 2014.

See my posts on the Brazil Olympic side's world tour games on ESPN the last month here:

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forums/all-whites-and-other-nz-international-teams/new-zealand-u-23s-olympics?page=23

 

In the sense that no-one in the footballing world gives a sweet FA about it  (not just the British as you imply). The U23 level is the most ridiculous and unnecessary youth grade level that only exists because of the compromise between FIFA and IOC.

 

Brazil are using all this build-up not because they care about the Olympics, but because they aren't playing any competetive football at the moment, and they are trying to build a side to win the world cup at home in two years' time. So all this is aimed for the big one two years down the line, Olympics has very little to do with it on its own merit.

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Phew. Finally got a decent call out of the lino. First half we got robbed at least twice of direct on goal opportunities with the Solomons playing high and flat. It was a just result in the end. We were the better side by a margin. Well done to wood, smeltz, Rojas (in first half) and Clapham. Otherwise, pretty avg. Myers is limited. Gleeson's howler was unacceptable. Payne did ok, seems he is being groomed to play in middle at Olympics as few options.

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We actually caught a lucky break with that fourth goal, Solomon Island players weren't complaining about offside, but the fact that an extra ball was on the field (it was actually caught by one of the Solomon Island players after it was thrown in). The player in question was very near to where the 'real' ball was and a fair argument could be made that he was involved in the play, and that consequently play should have been stopped because of the extra ball, as it was interfering with the play.

It seemed to me that most of the Solo players stopped waiting for the whistle, we carried on as it never came. But it's noticable that after the goal most of the Solo players were pointing to their player with the extra ball, not appealing for offside.

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The NC coach's take on the All Whites:

“We analysed the New Zealand team and felt they were not that mobile in their movement so we tried to play at speed. We really believed we would be able to win and felt their players were not better than us.”

http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/News/ViewArticle/tabid/125/Article/a0ae9b96-c9bb-4b83-ad8b-aac43a4efaed/language/en-US/Default.aspx

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Looking forward to this final.. should be fast and lots of goals hopefully

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Rise up, Wellington!
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Jeff Vader wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/7073955/All-Whites-Oceania-horror-fault-of-officials

While this article does not bring anything new to the table, it does leave McKavanagh with a little egg on his face.

When you consider the $500k cost that was stated to host the OFC Nationas in NZ and the reason why it did not bid plus the $616k operating loss (disguised as a $200k profit) from last year, we would be $200k better off with the cash from Brazil. We would have also acquired 3 international games we would not have had to pay for (and now have to seek replacement football at our cost in the lead up for Brazil if we qualify) and the cost of sending our team to Honiara vs possible contra deals staying here. From a financial point of view, it really is a no brainer which ever way you slice it.

I think we are asking for the wrong head and should be pointing it at McKavanagh and not Herbert. I can live with 1 poor result in 8 years because it does happen to any team. To make such a rookie mistake in your first year though...

 

Not having lost to NC since 1976 I think he could have expected this squad with all their credentials to have produced a much better result.



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edward l wrote:

The NC coach's take on the All Whites:

“We analysed the New Zealand team and felt they were not that mobile in their movement so we tried to play at speed. We really believed we would be able to win and felt their players were not better than us.”

I think all the teams we played had correctly analysed us

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Goal Tahiti. Against the run of play but deserved.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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patrick478 wrote:

Goal Tahiti. Against the run of play but deserved.

NC looking likely to get an equaliser?
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Ryans Rovers wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Goal Tahiti. Against the run of play but deserved.

NC looking likely to get an equaliser?

Not really, Tahiti are looking more likely to score than NC


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I don't suppose anyone's watching on a link othe than the one made available by the OFC by any chance?

 

 

 

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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Only a few minutes to go, Tahiti 1-0 up. Did NC play their cup final against us?

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Congratulations to Tahiti, winners of the OFC Nations Cup 2012. Good luck for the Confederations Cup.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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Stevo wrote:

Watched a replay.  For the first 25mins (until drinks) - we were in complete control. Just need to maintain that standard for another 20-30 mins, for the rest of the tournie's matches, and surely, the OFC Nations Cup is ours.

Oops. Jumped the gun there.

 

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What's up Dingo's Son?  Still watching the AFL footy?

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/7076137/Ricki-its-time-to-decide-which-hat-it-will-be

Opinion piece from Sam Worthington. Slightly more substance than some of the drivel that comes from the likes of Hay and Harris, but essentially still just "Sack Ricki"

Does make an good point though that the current squad is full of really encouraging young attacking talent, and asks whether a defensive-minded coach like Herbert is the best guy to nurture that talent. 

Imo this is a good debate to start having, but needs to happen once all the mindless angst has started to die down.

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yeah

 

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Mark Watson's "cannibalism".

 

http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/21215.mp3

 

http://www.bsa.govt.nz/making-a-complaint/

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I love how that 2013 Confeds Cup thread, where the thread starter talks about who we're likely going to be playing, is locked and stuck at the top of the NZF section to torment us all

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Stevo wrote:

Mark Watson's "cannibalism".

 

http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/21215.mp3

 

http://www.bsa.govt.nz/making-a-complaint/

 

Love to see Watson get the Arse... I think we all would

On the side, did Frank Farina stay for PNG after tournement debrief and barbeque  ??

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Papua New Guinea High Commission.

 

pngnz@globe.net.nz

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Fitzy wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/7076137/Ricki-its-time-to-decide-which-hat-it-will-be

Opinion piece from Sam Worthington. Slightly more substance than some of the drivel that comes from the likes of Hay and Harris, but essentially still just "Sack Ricki"

Does make an good point though that the current squad is full of really encouraging young attacking talent, and asks whether a defensive-minded coach like Herbert is the best guy to nurture that talent. 

Imo this is a good debate to start having, but needs to happen once all the mindless angst has started to die down.

 

I agree with BarryZuckerhorn when he said that Ricki is not as bad a coach as many are currently saying but he also is not as good a coach as many have said in the past.

Part of the problem is that Ricki has become a very big fish in a very small pond. He has had great success internationally which has give him enormous power....he is very much now "Mr NZ Football". The trouble with this is that he has become so big that he gets a say in absolutely everything. His handprint is all over just about every aspect of NZ football. He selects and coaches the Nix single handedly, in fact he runs the club, he coaches the Aw's, he coaches with the Olympic team, he has input into the age grade groups. The game in NZ owes him an enormous debt because he has taken on an enormous load.

But the problem with this is that its impossible for one person to do all this properly. Sooner or later the cracks will start to appear. Hindsight is a great thing but sooner or later a fiasco like the Honiara tournament was bound to happen. Its impossible for one guy to keep focus 100% of the time. Its time for NZfootball to look at his program. Maybe they also need to look at his support crew. Get some senior coaches/players alongside who can stand up and say "Ricki mate, maybe we need to look at this a little differently"

I believe he is the right guy to take us through to Brazil. Calls to sack him are just stupid. However he needs to accept that many of the players that got us to the last WC have passed their useby date. He also needs to accept that the new breed of talented youngsters coming through will need different coaching and tactics. Time will tell if Mr Herbert can grasp these changes.

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Need to look at things a little differently?

Time to bring in Wynton Rufer.

 

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Is it safe to enter this thread?

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When my luggage turns up from whereever the fuck it is, I'll chuck some photos in the gallary.

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Just saw a smarmy chief executive on the news spending the majority of his time blaming possible visa issues on why they didn't bid for the qualifying I was pretty passive on this issue before watching him but what a crock of shit If that is his excuse then the guy deserves to fall on his sword because he f$&&ed up

Auckland will rise once more

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That is probably in relation to a Fijian keeper who was banned to come here last WC qualifying and so the home tie with NZ was shifted to Fiji following an appeal.  Not sure if that keeper is still around.

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Goalkeeper was Simione Tamanisau.  He was in the Fiji squad again this time around. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/14554/Minister-and-Fifa-row-over-sanctions

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If GGW is still reading, I would be interested in his thoughts about how the tournament went overall. How have the teams improved since the last time? Was there anybody who has improved since he last saw them? What would his tournament team be?

It would be nice to get a wrap up of tournament to discuss, rather than the thread just ended up just being a place to vent the frustration of our performances.

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He's off to London to work on the Olympics.  We're gonna try get him on the podcast this weekend.

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Have chucked some photos on the YF facebook page http://tinyurl.com/OFCNC

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Aparently Ricki and Danny Hay were on Radio Sport today at 1pm.  Guess it will be available to listen tomorrow.

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2ndBest wrote:

Aparently Ricki and Danny Hay were on Radio Sport today at 1pm.  Guess it will be available to listen tomorrow.

Good on these guys coming on the radio together, especially rick who had everything to lose and not much to gain . That was a very interesting debate I can't imaggine an all black or kiwi coach coming on the radio after a mere with one of his biggest critics Ricki should hold his head high

Auckland will rise once more

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It's a good listen, thinking tis needs to happen more often.

 

Sounds like a job for the YF poddy.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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Ive always said instead of just not playing games through most fifa windows we should play some of the islands more regularly, but the general consensus among many was that the islands are too shit and nothing would be taken from playing them.

Now look what happened ..

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