Best not be knocking Te Atawhai Hudson Wihongi, he even sounds like three players in one.
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So is Ben van den Broek considered not up to this level?
Anyone and everyone is up to this level, according to Hudson.
The idea of picking two or three young players in every squad sounded good, but picking six of them is too much! How are we going to get to the World Cup if we aren't capable of winning matches? How is Clayton Lewis better than Tim Payne who is actually playing in a professional level? Sick of this, I want to see the best squad every match and that would include Moss, Smith, Musa, Payne, Keat, Henderson, Brockie and Boyd.
At least Moses Dyer is not there.
Going to be tough having Fenton, Doyle and McG out.
Will NZ be digging into its pocket to be making sure they continue to have a club, or does Hudson just not really give two fifths of a fudge after the eligibility debacle?
Or is his opinion that anyone that established themselves before he arrived is unreliable?
Finally, is Smith's personal reason that he is a cod? Will any journalist be asking this? He's no Ryan Nelsen that's for sure.
Have we got the shortest starting midfield in world football?
Weak.
gonna lose again, i have very little faith in hudson and most all whites players.
also some of our scandanavian boys could make it surely, no gleeson either?
Crazy non selections I will never understand:
- Gleeson- Moved up to number 2 at a decent MLS team is at the very least top 3 Moss, Marinovic
- Nikko Boxall- Regular in Finland can play DM, CB and RB a position we have no depth in at all.
- Roux- Assuming still not eligible which in ok
- Wynne- As above
- Payne- Far better option than the local guys selected who are either not playing or out of season
- Keat- If not selected so he can concentrate on keeping his team up is acceptable otherwise its a bit of a joke
- Henderson- As above with Keat although considering he has a parent club doing well and entrenched in the Norweigen top flight this is a bit weak
- Brockie- Second best striker we have on form not great for the NT in the past but still a better option than Rogerson
- Tuiloma- Has been missing decent minutes at his club and I think needs the game time pretty badly not to far away logisitically so I would have called him up.
- Musa- Has a ton of minutes under his belt atm can play LB,CB and DM again if it is eligibility this is ok otherwise it is pretty pathetic
- Boyd- Playing in a solid league whould be ahead of lewis or Rufur not to far logistically either
- Howieson- Not in a very strong league but on par with the ASB and also in the middle of season and getting minutes again he should have been selected ahead of Lewis or Rufur.
- Smith- Disappointing as always especially when the season isn't even half way done logistically not a massive problem again
Would also like to see more interaction with Fitzgerald to try and get him to perhaps switch his passport over and be a foreign player for his Japanese team as he is now well established and unlikely to even make the Japanese NT.
Would prefer to see some of these guys played slightly out of position to ensure overall squad quality as opposed to playing out of season teenagers. Very disappointing overall a lot of these selections are not even likely to make a confed cup squad or a WC squad if we make it by some miracle.
Rogerson wasnt even the best U-17 Player!
Time for this coach to go.
How difficult is it actually to pick a squad of best players?
99 per cent of people on this forum could have done a better job
The idea of picking two or three young players in every squad sounded good, but picking six of them is too much! How are we going to get to the World Cup if we aren't capable of winning matches? How is Clayton Lewis better than Tim Payne who is actually playing in a professional level? Sick of this, I want to see the best squad every match and that would include Moss, Smith, Musa, Payne, Keat, Henderson, Brockie and Boyd.
At least Moses Dyer is not there.
Bang on mate.. We have no DMs and no one with an engine in midfield and yet Keat and Payne aren't picked. Sure Payne is another Tim Brown but we need a ball winner in there. That midfield will look like a school boy team in stature.
But thank god Dyer wasn't picked. I would have burnt my supporters gear if he was...
The interesting thing for me with this mix of players is what shape they will play.
With no obvious number 6 or 8 I think he'll go with a 5 4 1 with Themi in front of a back 3 with Fenton and Thomas as wing backs like this:
Marinator
Fenton Box Brother Doyle Thomas
Themi Wee Mac
Babara Rojas
Wood
It may look like a 4-3-2-1 on paper with Doyle playing wide and Thomas pushing up but I'm not expecting we'll have the lions share of possession so Thomas will spend most of his time defending.
We seem to play better with 5 at the back anyway...
I think we will get smashed.
Lets be fair, we have a good chance of losing. If we do, does Hudson get the sack? If so, who's going to replace him? It'll either be an NZ coach or some random overseas coach who is going to be picked solely on cost. It's going to be a never ending cycle.
Lets be fair, we have a good chance of losing. If we do, does Hudson get the sack? If so, who's going to replace him? It'll either be an NZ coach or some random overseas coach who is going to be picked solely on cost. It's going to be a never ending cycle.
Fixed :)
To be fair Oman is a very decent time (by our standards). Pretty sure they've given australia some significant trouble in recent qualifiers.
To be fair Oman is a very decent time (by our standards). Pretty sure they've given australia some significant trouble in recent qualifiers.
They are pretty reasonable. Haven't lost in their last 6 games, notably drawing with Iran.
Crazy non selections I will never understand:
- Gleeson- Moved up to number 2 at a decent MLS team is at the very least top 3 Moss, Marinovic
- Nikko Boxall- Regular in Finland can play DM, CB and RB a position we have no depth in at all.
- Roux- Assuming still not eligible which in ok
- Wynne- As above
- Payne- Far better option than the local guys selected who are either not playing or out of season
- Keat- If not selected so he can concentrate on keeping his team up is acceptable otherwise its a bit of a joke
- Henderson- As above with Keat although considering he has a parent club doing well and entrenched in the Norweigen top flight this is a bit weak
- Brockie- Second best striker we have on form not great for the NT in the past but still a better option than Rogerson
- Tuiloma- Has been missing decent minutes at his club and I think needs the game time pretty badly not to far away logisitically so I would have called him up.
- Musa- Has a ton of minutes under his belt atm can play LB,CB and DM again if it is eligibility this is ok otherwise it is pretty pathetic
- Boyd- Playing in a solid league whould be ahead of lewis or Rufur not to far logistically either
- Howieson- Not in a very strong league but on par with the ASB and also in the middle of season and getting minutes again he should have been selected ahead of Lewis or Rufur.
- Smith- Disappointing as always especially when the season isn't even half way done logistically not a massive problem again
Would also like to see more interaction with Fitzgerald to try and get him to perhaps switch his passport over and be a foreign player for his Japanese team as he is now well established and unlikely to even make the Japanese NT.
Would prefer to see some of these guys played slightly out of position to ensure overall squad quality as opposed to playing out of season teenagers. Very disappointing overall a lot of these selections are not even likely to make a confed cup squad or a WC squad if we make it by some miracle.
Probable starting 11
Marinko
Fenton Themi Boxall Doyle
Te Whai Weemac
Thomas Rojas Costa
Wood
Unless he goes for a 442 with Smeltz up front and Rojas out on the wing for Costa
This looks an OK attacking side but really weak on defense...who is going to screen the back four, win the ball, make the tackles in midfield
Oman are a very solid well drilled side.....their home and away draws with Australia show that. Hudson needs to show that he is making progress as a coach. I don;t think we will win but we need to see a solid professional game from the Aw's. They need to show Hudsons brand of football......because if we see more of the lose, directionless crap we have had so far then there will be calls for Hudson to go.
Wonder what Ramon has got planned for the next year or so. I'd bet if he was coach we would be seeing some disipline and a proper game plan by now. Big mistake IMO not giving him the job.....could he have been worse?
The system the AWs and other national sides is not tiki taka. That was not the style of play Hudson talked about. Having said that we haven't exactly seen the implementation of quick ball movement etc on the break that he preached. While the guys are pressing more at the front and we are doing more without the ball; when we have it it is still very slow in transition. You can see similarities with the Nix - the Nix look superb when Wee Mac moves the ball on quickly and the strikers are making quick runs in behind. There is no reason the AWs can't adopt this style of play if they can get Reira to play 6.
That's my biggest concern with this squad - who is going to be showing for the ball deep and dictating the transition. You need two or three players doing this to ensure you can drag opposition players to make the necessary space. Without two players who can do this the ball simply gets played back, wide then long....
I can see where the James calls are coming from (I think Keat is in the same category) as he is one of the few AWs who commands that the ball be played to him and looks to play forward out of midfield. The reality is though that he was one of the players who turned up to camp not in the best shape and lacking the professionalism Hudson required. Refer the interview he gave after the Uzbek game with Emblem.
I, for one, am waiting on NZF rushing Reira in to play alongside Tuiloma in the midfield. This combination has both physical presence and calmness on the ball (Bill) and a guy with a massive engine who can also combine well with Wee Mac. I think Reira qualifies next month??
Crazy non selections I will never understand:
- Gleeson- Moved up to number 2 at a decent MLS team is at the very least top 3 Moss, Marinovic
- Nikko Boxall- Regular in Finland can play DM, CB and RB a position we have no depth in at all.
- Roux- Assuming still not eligible which in ok
- Wynne- As above
- Payne- Far better option than the local guys selected who are either not playing or out of season
- Keat- If not selected so he can concentrate on keeping his team up is acceptable otherwise its a bit of a joke
- Henderson- As above with Keat although considering he has a parent club doing well and entrenched in the Norweigen top flight this is a bit weak
- Brockie- Second best striker we have on form not great for the NT in the past but still a better option than Rogerson
- Tuiloma- Has been missing decent minutes at his club and I think needs the game time pretty badly not to far away logisitically so I would have called him up.
- Musa- Has a ton of minutes under his belt atm can play LB,CB and DM again if it is eligibility this is ok otherwise it is pretty pathetic
- Boyd- Playing in a solid league whould be ahead of lewis or Rufur not to far logistically either
- Howieson- Not in a very strong league but on par with the ASB and also in the middle of season and getting minutes again he should have been selected ahead of Lewis or Rufur.
- Smith- Disappointing as always especially when the season isn't even half way done logistically not a massive problem again
Would also like to see more interaction with Fitzgerald to try and get him to perhaps switch his passport over and be a foreign player for his Japanese team as he is now well established and unlikely to even make the Japanese NT.
Would prefer to see some of these guys played slightly out of position to ensure overall squad quality as opposed to playing out of season teenagers. Very disappointing overall a lot of these selections are not even likely to make a confed cup squad or a WC squad if we make it by some miracle.
Gleeson - Unavailable due to being in midst of MLS play-offs for Portland. Jake was MVP for Portland last weekend after a late call-up to replace their sick number one in the first leg of the Western Conference semis vs. Vancouver. He'll be vital to them for the second leg Monday am NZT. Winner goes on to the Conference Final:
Gleeson's Portland Timbers 2 team mate Tim Payne's season finished in September, so you'd assume he was available.
Dan Keat and Craig Henderson in Scandinavia have league games this weekend. Henderson's loan club Mjondalen have their last regular season game Monday am NZT and must win and hope the team above them lose to avoid instant relegation and instead take the promotion / relegation play-off spot. Henderson couldn't be selected by Hudson in case his team go on to the play-offs next weekend:
http://int.soccerway.com/teams/norway/mjondalen-if/7876/
Dan Keat and Falkenberg have their second leg promotion / relegation play-off Monday am NZT:
http://int.soccerway.com/teams/sweden/falkenbergs-fotbollsforening/2171/
If they stay up he may be too hung over to fly to Muscat afterwards....
But I have a feeling that neither of these two are on Hudson's radar anyway.
The system the AWs and other national sides is not tiki taka. That was not the style of play Hudson talked about. Having said that we haven't exactly seen the implementation of quick ball movement etc on the break that he preached. While the guys are pressing more at the front and we are doing more without the ball; when we have it it is still very slow in transition. You can see similarities with the Nix - the Nix look superb when Wee Mac moves the ball on quickly and the strikers are making quick runs in behind. There is no reason the AWs can't adopt this style of play if they can get Reira to play 6.
That's my biggest concern with this squad - who is going to be showing for the ball deep and dictating the transition. You need two or three players doing this to ensure you can drag opposition players to make the necessary space. Without two players who can do this the ball simply gets played back, wide then long....
I can see where the James calls are coming from (I think Keat is in the same category) as he is one of the few AWs who commands that the ball be played to him and looks to play forward out of midfield. The reality is though that he was one of the players who turned up to camp not in the best shape and lacking the professionalism Hudson required. Refer the interview he gave after the Uzbek game with Emblem.
I, for one, am waiting on NZF rushing Reira in to play alongside Tuiloma in the midfield. This combination has both physical presence and calmness on the ball (Bill) and a guy with a massive engine who can also combine well with Wee Mac. I think Reira qualifies next month??
Hudson-Wihongi is going to be a better player than James ever was imo.
Haha ok
Thats a huge call Jerzy
The system the AWs and other national sides is not tiki taka. That was not the style of play Hudson talked about. Having said that we haven't exactly seen the implementation of quick ball movement etc on the break that he preached. While the guys are pressing more at the front and we are doing more without the ball; when we have it it is still very slow in transition. You can see similarities with the Nix - the Nix look superb when Wee Mac moves the ball on quickly and the strikers are making quick runs in behind. There is no reason the AWs can't adopt this style of play if they can get Reira to play 6.
That's my biggest concern with this squad - who is going to be showing for the ball deep and dictating the transition. You need two or three players doing this to ensure you can drag opposition players to make the necessary space. Without two players who can do this the ball simply gets played back, wide then long....
I can see where the James calls are coming from (I think Keat is in the same category) as he is one of the few AWs who commands that the ball be played to him and looks to play forward out of midfield. The reality is though that he was one of the players who turned up to camp not in the best shape and lacking the professionalism Hudson required. Refer the interview he gave after the Uzbek game with Emblem.
I, for one, am waiting on NZF rushing Reira in to play alongside Tuiloma in the midfield. This combination has both physical presence and calmness on the ball (Bill) and a guy with a massive engine who can also combine well with Wee Mac. I think Reira qualifies next month??
Hudson-Wihongi is going to be a better player than James ever was imo.
I think HW has some potential, he looked good in the game today but James is a very unique player for a kiwi, can play from DM to AM and has the ability to play keep ball and be creative, is physical enough to win tackles and works hard enough to pressure the opposition. He has some weaknesses and obviously struggles with getting club football but he is a pretty handy player.
Hudson explains some selections here
So what is a Whatsapp? Google tells me it's a Facebook thing? Is this how our national body communicates with players? Have they not heard of email?
If this is legit, I really cannot believe how low we have sunk for a national body. Coupled with the absolute disaster of a pitch for yesterday's game... Did no one think to look over the fence?
So what is a Whatsapp? Google tells me it's a Facebook thing? Is this how our national body communicates with players? Have they not heard of email?
If this is legit, I really cannot believe how low we have sunk for a national body. Coupled with the absolute disaster of a pitch for yesterday's game... Did no one think to look over the fence?
It's basically instant group messaging, its a pretty good comms tool to be honest.
how many other environments use it? Is it common? I would have thought email would be the way then there would be records of communication
(Old man tech dummy here)
Thats a huge call Jerzy
Sometimes I get it wrong.
Thats a huge call Jerzy
Sometimes I get it wrong.
One thing he does have on his side is his build and fitness (and probably less attitude as well)
Surely Hudson is getting nervous. His record frankly sux and I am not a fan of him
Surely Hudson is getting nervous. His record frankly sux and I am not a fan of him
There's been a lot of money and time spent on team Hudson, There is no way NZF can afford to just start all over again.
Bring back Ricki, I'm sure he'd do it for petrol money.
/sarcasm
Hudson will have that job for as long as he wants it. Who on earth would take the gig if NZF having Hudson his marching orders.
Hudson will have that job for as long as he wants it. Who on earth would take the gig if NZF having Hudson his marching orders.
Probably everyone on here.
Ramon thanks
Hudson will have that job for as long as he wants it. Who on earth would take the gig if NZF having Hudson his marching orders.
Ramon