Rock Hopper wrote:
Would performances in the upcoming windows bare any weighting to potential contract renewal, or will the sole focus be on the lead up to and eventual world cup performance? Could short term memories and back-to-back 3 nil at-home drubbings over 138th ranked India be enough to speak louder than a complete mental collapse at the exact halfway mark of the All Whites tournament?
Genuinely curious on the opinions of fellow fans here - If in the next window we were to take the learnings from the WC and surprise upset a higher ranked team, and also put in a competent could have gone either way draw against another 40-80 ranked team. Follow this up with a big make a statement back to back wins at home in November which justifies the general turning up of their noses reaction people have had to the of the quality of opposition selected for the Nov fixtures. Would people be comfortable with a Baze contract renewal or are we still gunning for a new coach regardless of what occurs across the next potential 4-6 fixtures before the years end?
PKB wrote:
I think some people should remember the All Whites are ranked well below many teams in the World Cup for reasons. We haven't earned the right to gatekeep what teams the All Whites play beyond OFC, far from it, maybe closer to 2030. A lot of basics to improve on goalkeeping, defending next few trainings and games after being destroyed by Egypt and Belgium. I'm pleased they get India this year. Higher ranked opponents, that can wait until next FIFA Series.
Half a Pint wrote:PKB wrote:Next FIFA Series won't be until 2028 - and also no guarantee we will get to host it again as for the 2024 one we were in Egypt
I think some people should remember the All Whites are ranked well below many teams in the World Cup for reasons. We haven't earned the right to gatekeep what teams the All Whites play beyond OFC, far from it, maybe closer to 2030. A lot of basics to improve on goalkeeping, defending next few trainings and games after being destroyed by Egypt and Belgium. I'm pleased they get India this year. Higher ranked opponents, that can wait until next FIFA Series.
Queenslander 3x a year.
theprof wrote:
Getting meaningful friendlies is the key, especially over the next 3 years. Given our WC qualifying only happens very late.
The big problem we have is that the teams ranked around us at 85, will not want or be able to afford to travel to NZ, so home games will be limited.
10 Teams Above New Zealand (Ranked 75th–84th)The only two of those above us that could afford to travel to us in a window would be Finland and Israel. But whether they'd want to is another question.
- 75th: Finland
- 76th: Israel
- 77th: Bolivia
- 78th: Kosovo
- 79th: Oman
- 80th: Montenegro
- 81st: Guinea
- 82nd: Curaçao
- 83rd: Syria
- 84th: Gabon
Same questions need to be asked for the teams below us.Again, maybe two of those could afford to get their players here for a window, but would they want to? Thailand would be the closest of those teams and shortest travel, but that's assuming their players are local.
- Angola
- Haiti
- Uganda
- Zambia
- China
- Bahrain
- Benin
- Thailand
- Palestine
It's an issue that NZF need to solve for any new manager.
Marto wrote:theprof wrote:We're only around those teams because:
Getting meaningful friendlies is the key, especially over the next 3 years. Given our WC qualifying only happens very late.
The big problem we have is that the teams ranked around us at 85, will not want or be able to afford to travel to NZ, so home games will be limited.
10 Teams Above New Zealand (Ranked 75th–84th)
- 75th: Finland
- 76th: Israel
- 77th: Bolivia
- 78th: Kosovo
- 79th: Oman
- 80th: Montenegro
- 81st: Guinea
- 82nd: Curaçao
- 83rd: Syria
The only two of those above us that could afford to travel to us in a window would be Finland and Israel. But whether they'd want to is another question.
- 84th: Gabon
Same questions need to be asked for the teams below us.
- Angola
- Haiti
- Uganda
- Zambia
- China
- Bahrain
- Benin
- Thailand
Again, maybe two of those could afford to get their players here for a window, but would they want to? Thailand would be the closest of those teams and shortest travel, but that's assuming their players are local.
- Palestine
It's an issue that NZF need to solve for any new manager.
1: We don't play enough formal FIFA comepetitive games (the loss of the Confeds Cup games is a big one for us)
2: We don't win when we play decent teams.
3: We've not had a decent AW manger in 40 odd years. The 2010 team did well as we had NZ's greatest ever captain in the side, a number of strikers performing at a good level, and half of the squad at the Nix playing together week in week out. We all know Herbert was only really a figure head standing on the shoulders of others at the Nix and AWs at the time.
Really our true ranking is 40-60 and we saw that in the WC. If we were in any other confederation, we would be so much higher and would recieve a lot more respect.
Queenslander 3x a year.
Fitzy wrote:Marto wrote:So we’re only ranked as low as we are because we don’t play games and when we do we lose. Which is evidence we should be ranked 40th.theprof wrote:We're only around those teams because:
Getting meaningful friendlies is the key, especially over the next 3 years. Given our WC qualifying only happens very late.
The big problem we have is that the teams ranked around us at 85, will not want or be able to afford to travel to NZ, so home games will be limited.
10 Teams Above New Zealand (Ranked 75th–84th)
- 75th: Finland
- 76th: Israel
- 77th: Bolivia
- 78th: Kosovo
- 79th: Oman
- 80th: Montenegro
- 81st: Guinea
- 82nd: Curaçao
- 83rd: Syria
The only two of those above us that could afford to travel to us in a window would be Finland and Israel. But whether they'd want to is another question.
- 84th: Gabon
Same questions need to be asked for the teams below us.
- Angola
- Haiti
- Uganda
- Zambia
- China
- Bahrain
- Benin
- Thailand
Again, maybe two of those could afford to get their players here for a window, but would they want to? Thailand would be the closest of those teams and shortest travel, but that's assuming their players are local.
- Palestine
It's an issue that NZF need to solve for any new manager.
1: We don't play enough formal FIFA comepetitive games (the loss of the Confeds Cup games is a big one for us)
2: We don't win when we play decent teams.
3: We've not had a decent AW manger in 40 odd years. The 2010 team did well as we had NZ's greatest ever captain in the side, a number of strikers performing at a good level, and half of the squad at the Nix playing together week in week out. We all know Herbert was only really a figure head standing on the shoulders of others at the Nix and AWs at the time.
Really our true ranking is 40-60 and we saw that in the WC. If we were in any other confederation, we would be so much higher and would recieve a lot more respect.
coochiee wrote:
Realistically the only way for the AWs to improve their ranking to like top 60 (so some chance of Pot C at the next World Cup), is being in a competitive tourney like the Gold Cup or new FIFA ASEAN Cup - and going deep in either of those tournies.
But hey a 64 team (16 pools of 4 teams) WC for 2030 is going to be examined by FIFA.
So hey we maybe we fall into Pot C for 2030, by getting our ranking low 70s??
Then draw Thailand from Pot D in Malaga, so get that yearned for first World Cup win without improving our ranking too much over the next 4 years.
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