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So, we now know that whoever emerges as the winner of whatever the OFC qualification tournament turns out to be will take on the fourth placed team in the CONCACAF group for a spot at Qatar 2022.

It's very tight at the top of the table with just two points separating the top four teams, while with still 6 games left to play you cannot rule out Costa Rica or Jamaica from putting on a late run to steal a playoff place. 

For me, Mexico should comfortably go through with 4 of their remaining 6 games left at home, while USA will be favourites to qualify automatically. Canada have been excellent over the course of the whole qualifying tournament and deserve to finish in the top-three.

Although the beauty of football is It's unpredictability, I'm putting my money on Panama or Costa Rica to finish fourth.

CANADA- FIFA ranking 40
PANAMA- FIFA ranking 63
COSTA RICA- FIFA ranking 49
JAMAICA- FIFA ranking 57

Remaining Fixtures...

27th January 2022
Costa Rica vs. Panama
Jamaica vs. Mexico
USA vs. El Salvador
Honduras vs. Canada

30th January 2022
Panama vs. Jamaica
Mexico vs. Costa Rica 
Honduras vs. El Salvador 
Canada vs. USA

2nd February 2022
USA vs. Honduras 
Jamaica vs. Costa Rica 
Mexico vs. Panama
El Salvador vs. Canada

24th March 2022
Panama vs. Honduras
Jamaica vs. El Salvador 
Mexico vs. USA
Costa Rica vs. Canada

27th March 2022
El Salvador vs. Costa Rica 
Canada vs. Jamaica
USA vs. Panama
Honduras vs. Mexico

30th March 2022
Panama vs. Canada
Costa Rica vs. USA
Mexico vs. El Salvador 
Jamaica vs. Honduras 

👀 All eyes on that final qualifying game between Panama and Canada!
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Here's who has finished fourth in CONCACAF World Cup qualifying in recent years:

2018- Honduras 
2014- Mexico 
2010- Costa Rica 
2006- Trinidad & Tobago
2002- Honduras 
1998- Costa Rica 
1994- Honduras 
1990- Guatemala 
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New Zealand recent record against CONCACAF opposition:

2021
W  2-1 vs. Curaçao (N)

2018
L  0-1 vs. Canada (N)

2017
L  1-2 vs. Mexico (N)

2016
D  1-1 vs. USA (A)
L  1-2 vs. Mexico (A)

2013
L  2-4 vs. Mexico (H)
L  1-5 vs. Mexico (A)
D  0-0 vs. Trinidad & Tobago (A)

2012
W  1-0 vs. Honduras (N)
D  2-2 vs. El Salvador (N)
L  2-3 vs. Jamaica (H)

2011 
L  0-3 vs. Mexico (N)

2010
D  1-1 vs. Honduras (H)
L  0-2 vs. Mexico (N)

2007
L  0-3 vs. Costa Rica (A)

2003
L  1-2 vs. USA (A)

2000
L  1-2 vs. Jamaica (N)
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Whoever it is will be very tough regardless.
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Predicting what might happen in CONCACAF World Cup qualifying is almost always impossible. Still...  
 
Mexico: they’ve been really flat under Tata Martino and haven’t been playing well. Still, they have four home matches and should qualify comfortably. If they drop points at home in January, then it maybe becomes interesting. They are starting to incorporate more players from their Olympic team, but Martino has been pretty loyal to the old guard and it may be to his peril.
 
United States: they have El Salvador and Honduras at home in January, which should be straight-forward, but they’re playing both matches in cold climates and I think the possibility of playing in a foot of snow puts some uncertainty in what should be two easy wins. They have a road match in the cold in Canada as well in January. That’s a match they could definitely win. The U.S. should collect 6 or 7 points at least to solidify their place, but if they don’t it could be a little nervy in March with a trip to Mexico coming up. They’ve played well without some of their better attacking players and I think will qualify comfortably. 
 
Canada: As a Canadian I am biased, but I’ve also been through this many times with Canada, so I’m definitely not over-confident. Canada got a draw at the Azteca, so they shouldn’t be overwhelmed by playing on the road in Central America, but they have four away trips to Central America left. Away to Honduras and ES in January is a chance to prove this group is different once and for all. Those are two of the hardest away matches in the region, but half the battle is the fans (both inside the stadium and out) and the conditions. Given their place in the standings, the fan support won't what it normally is and in January, the weather is going to be as good as you can hope for. I desperately want to be over the line and in third before having to go to Panama on the final match day. Nine points in five matches will almost certainly do it. Five points in the January window would leave them needing a road draw in Costa Rica and then having a chance to beat Jamaica at home to possibly clinch a trip to Qatar.  
 
Panama: Panama being here is still hard to get my head around. In their first two qualifiers Panama needed late goals to beat Barbados 1-0 and Dominica 2-1. In the playoff to reach the final eight, Curacao only needed a 1-0 win at home to knock Panama out and they hit the bar late. Everyone keeps waiting for Panama to fall out of form, but it hasn’t happened. Their depth has been good and they are finding the goals that so eluded them a year ago. They came from behind to win both matches in November and keep pace with the front-runners. They have some difficult away matches left, but they’ve won away twice which is a big reason they’re keeping pace. They can virtually lock up fourth place at worse in the January window.
 
Costa Rica: A 95th minute winner against Honduras kept their faint hopes alive, but this side looks old and punchless. Four of their six goals in qualifying have come at home against struggling Honduras and ES. They have two goals total in their other six matches. They refuse to play younger players despite the players from the 2014 quarterfinal run not producing much. They're not easy to beat, particularly with Navas in goal, but 0-0 draws aren't going to get them to Qatar.
 
Jamaica: they probably seem like they’re done for, but on paper they’re a decent side and with four home matches left I think have an outside chance. If they can win one of their home matches in January and beat Panama away I think they have a chance. They’re unbeaten in their last four, but they gave up an injury time equalizer in El Salvador and then had a winner against the U.S. harshly ruled out for a foul. They started qualifying with a squad of 35 because their English-based players couldn’t (at the time) travel to away matches without then quarantining on the way home. Ironically the non-English based team nearly held Mexico to a draw away and the English-based team were thrashed 3-0 in Kingston by Panama. I think those players were not prepared for what qualifying is like in this region. They have started to find their legs, but it may be too late.
 
Mexico, Panama, Jamaica and Costa Rica all play each other in January. If Jamaica and/or Costa Rica haven’t significantly closed the gap on Panama after those three matches, I don’t think they will. 
 
I have watched the majority of the matches in this round of qualifying. Any questions, feel free to ask. I am really, really hoping Canada doesn’t have to play the All Whites in the playoffs.
 
Good luck in OFC qualifying. Hopefully the FIFA window nonsense isn’t a factor.
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Many thanks for the great wrapup, and good luck Canada. Really hope they make it directly. I hope Panama are 4th, though Costa Rica sound a fading force with issues. Either in neutral Qatar one off, shouldn't terrify the AWs at all. Not with way things are building, and some injury free luck.

But great to have a Confed comp to follow now with some interest. Plenty of dramas ahead no doubt.

I remember the last day shock of CONCACAF qualifying in 2017, with USMNT losing in Trinidad, and not even progressing to the 4th place playoff. Some video out there of downcast shocked American fans post match wandering the streets of Trinidad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X07rV0TGfyQ

 
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We'd get destroyed by Canada, but have a fair crack against Panama. 
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coochiee in another thread you talk about CONCACAF's history in the playoffs and that got me thinking about the run in for 2010... At the midway point Costa Rica were top of the table and looking sure to qualify. Then they lost four straight matches and had an away match against the U.S. left on the final day. They led 2-0 and were set to qualify, but gave up a 95th-minute equalizer that sent Honduras to the Cup and Costa Rica to the playoffs. They had a good battle with Uruguay, losing 2-1 and I felt Costa Rica were good enough that they should have qualified. Uruguay ended up being semifinalists and Costa Rica made the quarters four years later with many of the same players... It seems like the top teams should rise to the top after playing a home-and-away tournament like this, but it usually feels like one of the better teams in the region fails to get the job done.

Rusty Dunks> I appreciate your confidence in us. I'm not sure I share it, but I hope we don't find out.
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We all know of John Herdman's connections with NZ.
But I just noticed that the goalkeeping coach for both the Canadian men's and women's national teams is a Kiwi, Simon Eaddy, the former Football Kingz, NZ Knights, Auckland City and Waitakere keeper and NZ Football National Coach Development Manager and Football Ferns / NZ u-20 Women goalkeeper coach:
https://www.canadasoccer.com/staff/
Article & interview:
https://coach.ca/fifa-chat-simon-eaddy
I've only really just caught up with how talented the current Canadian side is.
It must be their best side ever with all that Europe-based talent and top MLS players:
Davies, a key player for Bayern Munich; Jonathan David - key striker in Lille winning Ligue 1 last season and an even better goal ratio this season; Cyle Larin - key striker in Besiktas winning the Turkish title; Atiba Hutchinson, ex-PSV midfielder who was very successful in Holland & now at Besiktas; Lucas Cavallini who played most of his football for top clubs in Uruguay before heading to MLS last year; and they keep adding new discoveries with Canadian ancestry like striker Ugbo playing in the Europa League for Genk. 
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We all know of John Herdman's connections with NZ.
But I just noticed that the goalkeeping coach for both the Canadian men's and women's national teams is a Kiwi, Simon Eaddy, the former Football Kingz, NZ Knights, Auckland City and Waitakere keeper and NZ Football National Coach Development Manager and Football Ferns / NZ u-20 Women goalkeeper coach:
https://www.canadasoccer.com/staff/
Article & interview:
https://coach.ca/fifa-chat-simon-eaddy
I've only really just caught up with how talented the current Canadian side is.
It must be their best side ever with all that Europe-based talent and top MLS players:
Davies, a key player for Bayern Munich; Jonathan David - key striker in Lille winning Ligue 1 last season and an even better goal ratio this season; Cyle Larin - key striker in Besiktas winning the Turkish title; Atiba Hutchinson, ex-PSV midfielder who was very successful in Holland & now at Besiktas; Lucas Cavallini who played most of his football for top clubs in Uruguay before heading to MLS last year; and they keep adding new discoveries with Canadian ancestry like striker Ugbo playing in the Europa League for Genk. 
Alphonso Davies is terrific to watch.
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We all know of John Herdman's connections with NZ.
But I just noticed that the goalkeeping coach for both the Canadian men's and women's national teams is a Kiwi, Simon Eaddy, the former Football Kingz, NZ Knights, Auckland City and Waitakere keeper and NZ Football National Coach Development Manager and Football Ferns / NZ u-20 Women goalkeeper coach:
https://www.canadasoccer.com/staff/
Article & interview:
https://coach.ca/fifa-chat-simon-eaddy
I've only really just caught up with how talented the current Canadian side is.
It must be their best side ever with all that Europe-based talent and top MLS players:
Davies, a key player for Bayern Munich; Jonathan David - key striker in Lille winning Ligue 1 last season and an even better goal ratio this season; Cyle Larin - key striker in Besiktas winning the Turkish title; Atiba Hutchinson, ex-PSV midfielder who was very successful in Holland & now at Besiktas; Lucas Cavallini who played most of his football for top clubs in Uruguay before heading to MLS last year; and they keep adding new discoveries with Canadian ancestry like striker Ugbo playing in the Europa League for Genk. 


I had forgotten that Simon Eaddy was from NZ.

While many of Canada’s top players are becoming better known globally, there are still a lot of players who aren’t as well known. I think Stephen Eustaquio is easily one of our most important players. He was in the team of the season for the Portuguese league last year and was expected to move to one of the big three in Portugal and Lazio was apparently even tracking him, but somehow he surprisingly didn’t move this summer. Tajon Buchanan is the next player I expect to turn some heads. He’s headed to Club Brugge in January and he gave Mexico fits each time we played them. Steven Vitoria can’t play consecutive matches with only 3 or 4 days to recover, so he has only started half of our matches, but he’s playing the soccer of his life. He’s been invaluable for the backline which is definitely our weakness.

It was hard for our players to get a work permit in the UK until recently and now that we meet more of the requirements with the improved FIFA rankings I am wondering if that opens some doors in January. A few of the MLS players have had overseas interest. The fullbacks Laryea and Johnston in particular could move on I think.

It is nice to have gotten some dual-nationals like Ugbo and Ayo Akinola, but we’re still losing plenty. Dominic Yankov decided to play for Bulgaria and Romania (quite cynically in my opinion) cap-tied 15 year old Enes Sali in November. Marcelo Flores, an 18-year-old at Arsenal, should make his senior Mexican debut tonight, but if he’s not lying Flores will come to a Canada camp (covid kept him out of travelling to one last year) – possibly in January – to see both set-ups before deciding his future. Stefan Mitrovic is coming to the January camp before deciding his future as well and Ferdi Kadioglu is going to make an announcement soon, but I would be shocked if he doesn’t play for Turkey (he plays for Fenerbahçe). 

It's been incredible to watch this group grow and not only have some success, play a pretty attractive brand of soccer while doing it. The team spirit and unity is the best I've ever seen it in all of the years I've followed the team and I think that's made a massive difference as well and Herdman deserves a huge amount of credit for that.
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Ahhh, Simon Eaddy. Completely sent him the wrong way with a great penalty at the Kingz. Hit the post though, so.....bit of a waste, really......
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Ahhh, Simon Eaddy. Completely sent him the wrong way with a great penalty at the Kingz. Hit the post though, so.....bit of a waste, really......
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Some big CONCACAF games to keep a watch on from next Saturday (NZT). 3 rounds of matches in this January window.
https://us.soccerway.com/international/nc-america/wc-qualifying-concacaf/2022-qatar/2nd-round/r44081/

Costa Rica (5th, 9 pts) verus Panama (4th, 14 pts) next Saturday. Los Ticos need a win there. Especially with tough away games at Azteca & in Kingston to follow.

Then few days later Canada v USA will be a doozy. Canadians have taken that to Hamilton, near Toronto. She will be minus Celsius at kickoff. The stadium has FIFA approved artificial turf.

I'm picking Panama will again be sitting in that 4th spot post these 3 rounds, firming up as the CONCACAF playoff opponent.

27th January 2022
Costa Rica vs. Panama
Jamaica vs. Mexico
USA vs. El Salvador
Honduras vs. Canada

30th January 2022
Panama vs. Jamaica
Mexico vs. Costa Rica 
Honduras vs. El Salvador 
Canada vs. USA

2nd February 2022
USA vs. Honduras 
Jamaica vs. Costa Rica 
Mexico vs. Panama
El Salvador vs. Canada
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Big wins for Canada, Mexico and USA overnight as they pull clear of the chasing pack.

Most significant result saw Costa Rica beat Panama 1-0 to leave them only two points behind 4th place in the race for a playoff place.
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Wow, Canada unbeaten. Amazing in this group.
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Mexico were actually down 1-0 to a 10-man Jamaica before scoring twice in two minutes to salvage the win, but their side is ravaged by injuries and covid. Though I think that's hurting everyone right now.

Massive win for my Canada in San Pedro Sula, the place where Canadian World Cup dreams go to die. 

I only saw the second half of Costa Rica-Panama, but it was the most entertaining match of the final stage to date. I have no idea how Panama didn't score. They had so many chances. They had a 5v1 break just before CR scored and didn't manage a shot. Panama also hit the bar at the death. Costa Rica may have ridden their luck, but they're back in the chase. Those matches against Jamaica coming up loom pretty large now.
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Mexico were actually down 1-0 to a 10-man Jamaica before scoring twice in two minutes to salvage the win, but their side is ravaged by injuries and covid. Though I think that's hurting everyone right now.

Massive win for my Canada in San Pedro Sula, the place where Canadian World Cup dreams go to die. 

I only saw the second half of Costa Rica-Panama, but it was the most entertaining match of the final stage to date. I have no idea how Panama didn't score. They had so many chances. They had a 5v1 break just before CR scored and didn't manage a shot. Panama also hit the bar at the death. Costa Rica may have ridden their luck, but they're back in the chase. Those matches against Jamaica coming up loom pretty large now.

Yipe Panama I thought were the better team, away in San Jose. They were a real threat from set pieces. Seemed to have at least 3 six foot plus, athletic dudes at the back. 

But either of these teams will be tough for AWs.
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Todays CONCACAF games.

Canada verus USMNT in freezing Hamilton (near Toronto) will be a big one.

And if Panama win, and Costa Rica lose - the Panamanians will go long way to tightening their grip on 4th spot.

Canada vs. USA
Mexico vs. Costa Rica 
Panama vs. Jamaica
Honduras vs. El Salvador 

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Canada with 2-0 win over Team USA. 2nd goal at 95 mins.

Glove wearing players & officials.

Canadians 8 points ahead of 4th placed Panama (playoff spot) with 4 games left. So they can taste Qatar. Panama hosting Jamaica and currently 0-1 down.
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Loving everything about you just mentioned, Coochie. Long may it last.

Edit: bugger, I see it did not last.
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Yes bugger. Panama come from 0-1 down to beat the Reggae Boyz 3-2.
They go equal on points with Mexico (17 pts), who are currently level 0-0 with Costa Rica 51 mins in at the Azteca.

Vamos Mexico. They did leave it late against Jamaica

Edit - Panama with a trip to the Azteca on Thursday. If things stay as they are will be a big one.
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I watched the last 10 of the Canada-USA game on bet365 stream, shame it’s not on tv, but man it was hard not to be envious of the Canadians. Getting to watch your best team ever winning against your biggest rival at home in front of a big crowd in a massive World Cup qualifier. They scored the second with the last kick of the game, and the atmosphere and celebrations were amazing amongst the crowd and players. 

Sad to think the next qualifier we’ll have at home will probably be a September 2024 5-0 win against Vanuatu in front of 8k at North Harbour, with none of the European stars of Stamenic, Singh, Bell et al coming down. Sigh.

Also watched the first half of Panama-Jamaica, and Panama looked pretty decent against a side who, on paper at least, aren’t too bad. Panama had all the ball and play, and Jamaica just tried to foul them every time they could. Should’ve put the game to bed inside the first half but missed a penalty (after Jamaica scored theirs) and a bunch of other chances, but scored just before the half through a freak own goal. In the end they still managed to win 3-2 though.
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What's the play here as an All Whites fan. The safe one is to root for Mexico to get the job done in the second half against Costa Rica?

But what about Costa Rica pipping Mexico here to keep then in sniffing distance of the playoffs and then trusting Mexico to get the job done at home against Panama next time round?
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What's the play here as an All Whites fan. The safe one is to root for Mexico to get the job done in the second half against Costa Rica?

But what about Costa Rica pipping Mexico here to keep then in sniffing distance of the playoffs and then trusting Mexico to get the job done at home against Panama next time round?

Well that 2nd scenario, is how it's panned out somewhat. Costa Rica with a 0-0 draw at the Azteca.

School of thought of Los Ticos being an aging team, better opponent for AWs to play. But then you also can't beat big game experience, and a 0-0 draw in Mexico pretty good result. We just of course don't want Mexico dropping into that 4th spot.

Anyway with 4 games to go
Canada 22 pts
USA 18 pts
Mexico 18 pts
Panama 17 pts
Cost Rica 13 pts

Bottom 2 teams Hondura & El Salvador playing now.

Later this week
USA vs. Honduras
Jamaica vs. Costa Rica
Mexico vs. Panama (big game)
El Salvador vs. Canada
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What's the play here as an All Whites fan. The safe one is to root for Mexico to get the job done in the second half against Costa Rica?

But what about Costa Rica pipping Mexico here to keep then in sniffing distance of the playoffs and then trusting Mexico to get the job done at home against Panama next time round?

Well that 2nd scenario, is how it's panned out somewhat. Costa Rica with a 0-0 draw at the Azteca.

School of thought of Los Ticos being an aging team, better opponent for AWs to play. But then you also can't beat big game experience, and a 0-0 draw in Mexico pretty good result. We just of course don't want Mexico dropping into that 4th spot.

Anyway with 4 games to go
Canada 22 pts
USA 18 pts
Mexico 18 pts
Panama 17 pts
Cost Rica 13 pts

Bottom 2 teams Hondura & El Salvador playing now.

Later this week
USA vs. Honduras
Jamaica vs. Costa Rica
Mexico vs. Panama (big game)
El Salvador vs. Canada
 
Watching the last 15, I’d have Costa Rica 8 days a week over Mexico. Deep sitting 5-4-1 park the bus masterclass, they didn’t even try to win the game. They have a world class keeper in Keylor Navas, and every time they got the ball they’d kick as far downfield as possible, not even aiming for the lone striker. Mexico couldn’t create much, though they did hit the bar, otherwise it was hopeful crosses and long range shooting. Mexico hindered by Azteca only having 2000 people in attendance, so not the typical Azteca 100,000 crowd where teams (including AWs in 2013) basically lose in the warmup. On paper you’d back Mexico over Panama and 4th to be a shootout between Costa Rica and Panama, but football isn’t played on paper.
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Honest to boys, I swear for a nation with great football pedigree, Mexico always has this outlandish dip in form every four years that always coincides with winding up in the intercontinental playoff. Please for the love of all things pure not this year Mexico. 
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I feel for you calind. There are a lot of Canadian supporters who have been at this a long time and we began this qualification cycle with home matches in Florida and Chicago because we wouldn’t let the players from Europe into the country without quarantine. So we didn’t take the home matches for granted. And in CONCACAF the final round is one big home-and-away table and we kept missing it, so to have home matches and knowing it’s the last real qualification cycle like this until FIFA opens the floodgates and lets too many countries in… it’s been really special and we’re trying to savour it. Sunday was an incredible day. It was absolute bedlam after Adekugbe clinched it with his late goal. 
 
We were busy celebrating, but I was keeping an eye on Panama-Jamaica and I couldn’t believe how little push Jamaica had after going down 2-1. There was no fight to them. Had they won, they put themselves in a position to get back into contention. Jamaica showed no interest in attacking or pressing for a goal until they were already down 3-1. 
 
I wasn’t that surprised that Costa Rica and their organized, if grim, defending held off a fairly lifeless Mexico, but it’s very strange to see Mexico play so flat. There were almost no fans in the Azteca, but there is something wrong with Mexico. It looked like a friendly. Normally a World Cup qualifier around here is life and death and both of those matches lacked the intensity I expected. 
 
With Mexico, I’m not sure if it’s the manager, if they need to inject more youth or what… they just are not themselves and they’re better than this. This Costa Rica side is not very good. 
 
At half time a friend of mine said they hoped the Americans would finish fourth “because New Zealand knocking the U.S. out of the World Cup would be the greatest thing ever.” So you have our full support up here. That being said, the Americans have a lot of talent. I think they are too rigid in their system of play and are nowhere near the sum of their parts, but they have so many young, talented players, it’s actually annoying thinking about how good they could be in four years when they host. 
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Glad to hear that we are not the only country/Confederation that will miss the more cut throat qualification of a 32 team World Cup.

We don't have the long run of knife edge, roller coaster H&A qualifiers you get in CONCACAF, but the home playoff game of the Intercontinental Playoffs (even when it didn't have much on it in 2013 against Mexico), was always eagerly awaited. The one game every 4 years where you would see a full strength AWs team at home, in a high stakes affair.

A 48 team WC takes that away forever sadly.

See that CONCACAF gets 6 spots in a 48 team WC (up from current 3.5 spots), and in 2026 of course 3 host nations - USA, Canada & Mexico get 3 of those 6 spots. So yes I imagine you are enjoying these high stakes big game qualifiers (esp as you are unbeaten) why you can.

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The table should look a lot clearer after the next round of fixtures. I'm kind of holding out for Panama in the playoffs, so need Jamaica to get something out of their game against Costa Rica this week. A Mexico win will bridge the gap between them and Panama too
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If Panama can get up over Mexico on Thursday morning, then Mexico or even the US are looking far too likely for fourth. Is this televised on Sky or Spark in NZ, or do I have to find a dodgy stream?
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If Panama can get up over Mexico on Thursday morning, then Mexico or even the US are looking far too likely for fourth. Is this televised on Sky or Spark in NZ, or do I have to find a dodgy stream?
 
Those are UK times there, so add 13 hours to those kick off times. The CONCACAF qualifiers aren’t televised in NZ on either, but if you don’t mind no commentary, the betting websites show the game and with a third party app you can still cast it to a tv.
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Who is the best lame duck for us to play? Costa Rica or Panama?  

I'm going to go to the playoff match and want to be sure we won't get destroyed like in the past 
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Who is the best lame duck for us to play? Costa Rica or Panama?  

I'm going to go to the playoff match and want to be sure we won't get destroyed like in the past 

On paper Costa Rica are arguably the stronger team calling upon players such as Navas (Paris SG), Bryan Oviedo, Joel Campbell etc... who both have played in the English Premier League previously. 

Costa Rica have consistently been one of the top-three sides in the CONCACAF region over the last 30-years, but perhaps experiencing a bit of a blip as they introduce younger players to the team. 

Panama did well to qualify for Russia 2018 but are probably coming towards the end of their golden generation too.

Not much between them but I'd fancy our chances over Panama personally. 


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CONCACAF qualifiers are way more interesting than CONMEBOL , Sky should've gotten the rights for them.  
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Who is the best lame duck for us to play? Costa Rica or Panama?  

I'm going to go to the playoff match and want to be sure we won't get destroyed like in the past 

On paper Costa Rica are arguably the stronger team calling upon players such as Navas (Paris SG), Bryan Oviedo, Joel Campbell etc... who both have played in the English Premier League previously. 

Costa Rica have consistently been one of the top-three sides in the CONCACAF region over the last 30-years, but perhaps experiencing a bit of a blip as they introduce younger players to the team. 

Panama did well to qualify for Russia 2018 but are probably coming towards the end of their golden generation too.

Not much between them but I'd fancy our chances over Panama personally. 


there's no way are beating Panama. Maybe both our teams have a similar market value, but the amount of games Panama have played well give them a huge advantage. I wouldn't rule out the US coming 4th, If that happens hopefully they can shift the one off game to the United States (which will likely mean an afternoon kick off for NZ viewers) and playing in Qatar in June is a huge health risk. Concaf countries also have their nations league in June.
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Who is the best lame duck for us to play? Costa Rica or Panama?  

I'm going to go to the playoff match and want to be sure we won't get destroyed like in the past 

On paper Costa Rica are arguably the stronger team calling upon players such as Navas (Paris SG), Bryan Oviedo, Joel Campbell etc... who both have played in the English Premier League previously. 

Costa Rica have consistently been one of the top-three sides in the CONCACAF region over the last 30-years, but perhaps experiencing a bit of a blip as they introduce younger players to the team. 

Panama did well to qualify for Russia 2018 but are probably coming towards the end of their golden generation too.

Not much between them but I'd fancy our chances over Panama personally. 


there's no way are beating Panama. Maybe both our teams have a similar market value, but the amount of games Panama have played well give them a huge advantage. I wouldn't rule out the US coming 4th, If that happens hopefully they can shift the one off game to the United States (which will likely mean an afternoon kick off for NZ viewers) and playing in Qatar in June is a huge health risk. Concaf countries also have their nations league in June.

The aircon will be turned on for the playoff games. But she sure will be toasty warm outside the stadiums. The build up training camp, will maybe be held away from the Middle East in cooler climes.

Whoever playoff opponent is they will be very tough and the favourites. But if it’s Mexico it’s because they are playing shark, and that makes them at least vulnerable.

We only lost to them 2-1 at 2017 Confeds Cup, in neutral Russia and this is a better AWs side. The playoff being a one legged affair in neutral ME (somewhere AWs have been alot lately) definitely helps us.  Sad as it is not to have a playoff game in NZ. 
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Waiting every four years for a playoff to go to the World Cup would give me ulcers. I shouldn’t speak too confidently because Canada has had a hard time cracking the top-six in CONCACAF for the past 20 years, but in general we should be comfortably top-six you would hope. It definitely won’t be the same. If they actually move it every two years (please for the love of God, no), I can see them not even holding qualifiers. They could use the Nations League standings or the Gold Cup results to determine the qualifiers. There just wouldn’t be time to fit more internationals in. 
 
I would definitely rather play Costa Rica than Panama if I were you. Costa Rica has a world class keeper and a lot of experience, but they also struggle to score. Panama has a better squad, more pace and I think are generally the better side. Panama is also typically the hottest away trip in CONCACAF. I think most of the Central American sides wouldn’t be too put off by hot weather, but it is not unusual to play Panama in temperatures around 30-35C with 80% humidity. And it never cools off. It’s 31C today in Panama City. I also think Panama is really well coached and Costa Rica seems to select the same old faces whether they’re performing or not. 
 
If anyone is going to tune in tonight, the US is going to play Honduras at -20 C windchill. They could have played them anywhere and used their superior skill, but I think they’ve been too clever by half and this could be a disaster. 
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US v Honduras game in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Meanwhile Minnesota FC (and presumably M Boxall) have the good sense to go to Florida for MLS preseason for the next few weeks.
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US of A up 1-0 early thanks to Weston McKennie.

Mexico v USA qualifier in March should be a cracker. Plenty at stake in that one.

Jamaica v Costa Rica remains 0-0 at H/T. Jamaica all but mathematically gone from the equation, Costa Rica needing a win to narrow up that four point gap between 4th and 5th in CONCACAF WCQ.

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