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Potential double header Vim: Canterbury currently scheduled v Weenix at 2pm at Davey F on Sat 11th. Game could be brought forward to noon kick off?
I don't think both teams playing for a draw because it suits them counts as match-fixing. It's not great to watch, for sure, but teams play for draws all the time, it's just in this instance both teams were.
Obviously I'm no FIFA official and I have no idea how they assess it but on the face of it I don't see the problem.
If they independently decided to play for the draw that's one thing, but they apparently talked to each other on the pitch and decided together that they would play for the draw. Then when some players kept trying to play their captains told them to simmer down.
If they independently decided to play for the draw that's one thing, but they apparently talked to each other on the pitch and decided together that they would play for the draw. Then when some players kept trying to play their captains told them to simmer down.
It's a fine line, but I suspect the chat was "if you're not careful, someone's gonna score and then the other lot would lose the game and not go to WC. Could be us, could be you. Not worth the risk". That's different from saying "let's screw the other team that's playing Brazil".
So if they found out about the other results independentlly and decided to play conservatively and told their team that then it's ok, but because they found out together it's not?
Because one captain went to the other captain and said let's play for the draw
Doesn't really make sense to play for draw especially Peru...if Chile had scored in the last minute, and there was a goal mouth scramble, then Chile would have made it and Peru would have been out.
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Problem with playing on Saturday which I don't think they've thought through properly is that they will have such a long flight to Lima and not much time to recover and train before the away leg which has to be Tuesday 14 at the latest (Wednesday mid-day NZT)
Two flight options:
(1) LAN Chile fly to Lima but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Santiago, Chile.
Seats available on the one Saturday 6.20 pm flight but that's a rush to get onboard after a Saturday afternoon match:
Various options to fly on Sunday on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
(2) If they fly Air NZ, they will then spend Sunday evening and Monday travelling to Peru and arriving at about 3pm Monday NZT (9.50 pm Sunday Peru time).
Air NZ have no seats available on Saturday.
Air NZ have flights via Buenos Aires totaling 19 hours 35 minutes leaving Auckland Sunday 8.15 pm
Arriving Lima 9.50 pm Sunday local time.
Flight availability details:
https://flightbookings.airnewzealand.co.nz/vbook/a...
This brings back my memories of Australia tussling with Uruguay over two WC editions, the 2002 and the 2006 finals.
In November 2001 Australia (under Frank Farina) won at home 1:0 and then went to Montevideo to lose 3:0 with the hat-trick scorer for them, Morales, not travelling to Sydney earlier. The second leg was shambles, and the scenes of Australian players being abused and spat on in the street before the first leg made headlines.
In November 2005 Australia (under Guus Hiddink) lost in Montevideo 1:0 and then went on to win at home 1:0 and then won on penalties 4:2.
The key difference was that In Nov 2005 for the second leg (played as usual mere four days later) the Uruguayan team travelled economy all the long way to Sydney while Socceroos went straight from Estadio Centenario to a charter plane provided by Qantas and flew home in relative comfort (lie down seats, massage etc).
Uruguay still proved a tough team to beat, but I remember seeing their players being too fatigued to perform well in the second leg; with key players Montero and Recoba actually unable to run, deep into the second half. As I recall, only Australia's poor finishing (notably Kewell's and Viduka's misses) prevented the game being won by them in regular time.
Morale of the story is, if we want to have a chance against Peru in the second leg, a special Air NZ charter plane might be the way to go. Since it is our national flag carrier and is not owned by foreign interests, what could be more patriotic than to support our national team in the hour of need?
Would be fantastic but ain’t gonna happen. Also didn’t Frank Lowry basically finance that Qantas charter for the Socceroos? Chump change for him. Remember John Travolta having some bizarre involvement as well. Guess pilot or something?
Even with all that, a quality coach in ‘Aussie Gus’, and a 1st eleven consisting entirely of seasoned European based pros (a proper golden generation!) - took penalties for Socceroos to win.
Shows enormity of task in front of AWs.
Because one captain went to the other captain and said let's play for the draw
But isn't match fixing about playing to a pre-determined result? If Falcao says to Guerrero, both of us go through if the score stays the same, the have "determined" the best result for both teams with like 10 mins to go. It depends what Fifa mean by pre determined and if it only the players "determining" the result between each other, near the end of a game, is it still fixing the result..
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
I don't think the teams will be sanctioned, but perhaps if we are lucky, a couple players could get suspended for not playing in the interests of the game.
I could work with two or three players being suspended from Peru.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
Potential double header Vim: Canterbury currently scheduled v Weenix at 2pm at Davey F on Sat 11th. Game could be brought forward to noon kick off?
7pm NZ time is 1am in Peru. I'd imagine they will want to play at around 3pm NZ time for maximum viewers. 3pm NZ on a Saturday is 9pm Friday night in Peru.
Agree, and with respect to the hard to beat/long ball stuff, what small nation has put performed with that approach? It's all about technique these days...
From what small bits of their games I saw on the internet, even Iceland - while being "hard to beat", physically - did not play long ball stuff at all.
I think we need to be careful, to assume a team like Iceland don't resort to route one now and again, just because their goal highlights on You Tube look pretty. I myself have no real idea how they play, but certainly for their popn size they have performed phenomally last 12 months.
Peru are ranked alongside Spain, and above Italy, England and Mexico.
I think I know where my money lies!
Peru are ranked alongside Spain, and above Italy, England and Mexico.
I think I know where my money lies!
A reasonable judge on chances is were the money is on a non NZ or Peruvian betting site.
William Hill Au
1st leg NZ $5.50 Peru $1.55
They are offering prices for both legs of the Aus vs Honduras game but not on the NZ vs Peru game.
Probably waiting to see how NZ goes in the first one.
My guess was NZ would be about $6.00 so $5.50's not too bad.
A reasonable reflection of the chances of both sides and about the same odds as this weekends Watford vs Arsenal game
Peru are ranked alongside Spain, and above Italy, England and Mexico.
I think I know where my money lies!
A reasonable judge on chances is were the money is on a non NZ or Peruvian betting site.
William Hill Au
1st leg NZ $5.50 Peru $1.55
They are offering prices for both legs of the Aus vs Honduras game but not on the NZ vs Peru game.
Probably waiting to see how NZ goes in the first one.
My guess was NZ would be about $6.00 so $5.50's not too bad.
A reasonable reflection of the chances of both sides and about the same odds as this weekends Watford vs Arsenal game
I assume the fact the betting sites have the game as 6 Nov, 20.00 ko is because they have to put something, rather than knowing more than NZ Football does at present ;-)
edit: off that - just checked another site with the game on Sat 11 Nov
Peter Taylor's been dumped by Gillingham, more time to focus on his NZ role I hope. Can he work wonders?
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) played on a Thursday (first leg) and Tuesday (second leg) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.
Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !
LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.
See flight info here:
Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.
Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !
LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.
See flight info here:
Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.
Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you are going the wrong way.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.
Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !
LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.
See flight info here:
Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.
Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you are going the wrong way.
Coz that's the way NZF will plan it. Right?
I don't quite understand the logic Pete.
Peru has to do the same trip.
Surely the more messed up and horrendous we make the second leg the better (as the lesser skilled side)
I don't quite understand the logic Pete.
Peru has to do the same trip.
Surely the more messed up and horrendous we make the second leg the better (as the lesser skilled side)
But they will have home advantage which makes the game somewhat easier for them anyway.
Peru will have longer preparing for their tougher away leg in Wellington, possibly getting their South American-based players released even before the FIFA-mandated evening of Sunday November 5.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.
Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !
LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.
See flight info here:
Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.
Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you are going the wrong way.
Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.
NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.
Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:
http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...
One flight departing Auckland 6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago.
Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima (must fly via Melbourne):
http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...
Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes
Air NZ only offer flights to Lima via Buenos Aires.
But they offer far fewer flights than LAN Chile (generally flying to South America only every second day)
They have no flights on Saturday November 11 at all.
Shortest flight time on Air NZ Sunday November 12 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins
I don't quite understand the logic Pete.
Peru has to do the same trip.
Surely the more messed up and horrendous we make the second leg the better (as the lesser skilled side)
But they will have home advantage which makes the game somewhat easier for them anyway.
Peru will have longer preparing for their tougher away leg in Wellington, possibly getting their South American-based players released even before the FIFA-mandated evening of Sunday November 5.
Also Peru have far greater depth that us. They can make some changes for the home leg, bring in some fresh players and really come at us hard. We just don't have the squad to do that - so need every advantage to get some of older/injury prone guys like Reid, Smith, Dura & Themi up for the 2nd leg. At least one of them is likely to be injured & out of the Lima game.
What do away teams usually do for the first leg? Do they assemble in the away country? Or have a camp elseware (at home, though that wouldnt be smart) before travelling for the match?
What do away teams usually do for the first leg? Do they assemble in the away country? Or have a camp elseware (at home, though that wouldnt be smart) before travelling for the match?
Depends on where "away" is and where players are. Might not be able to camp these days so just arrive from wherever early enough to recover.
NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money
Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?
It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.
We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.
They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.
Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.
Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.
There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.
Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.
The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.
8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.
Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !
LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.
See flight info here:
Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.
The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.
Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you are going the wrong way.
Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.
NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.
Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:
http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...
One flight departing Auckland 6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago.
Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima (must fly via Melbourne):
http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...
Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes
Air NZ only offer flights to Lima via Buenos Aires.
But they offer far fewer flights than LAN Chile (generally flying to South America only every second day)
They have no flights on Saturday November 11 at all.
Shortest flight time on Air NZ Sunday November 12 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins
LAN Chile have a daily flight that operates Auckland-Santiago. This is codeshared with Qantas. Interestingly on the Qantas website this can't be booked for Sunday 12th November but can for days either side. I suspect either flight is full or perhaps has been chartered by one or both team(s). When the LA Dodgers and Arizona Diamondbacks played regular season baseball games in Sydney a few years ago, they did something similar, effectively booking out a regularly scheduled Los Angeles-Sydney flight.
Question is, what did Farfan roll for Charisma and can we use a 20 sided dice against them?
Farfan will be a sub no doubt about that. Carrillo is better, younger, faster.
To beat Peru, you need to be smart. Give Peru the ball and make them attack you while pressuring Guerrero, Cueva and Carrillo. Watch the Peru Colombia game. It's on youtube. That's an example of how to nullify Gareca's tactics. Carrillo is good but cannot score. Flores is good and can score but he played injured against Colombia. He might be out for the first leg. Cueva is hot-headed. Get on their heads and they will get frustrated with and without the ball. This team has half the team with players under the age of 23 and wasn't supposed to qualify for this WorldCup but the next.
I'm peruvian and if I'm honest, my team is mentally weak. There is no doubt about that. Do I think my team can easily beat yours?
Absolutely.
However, if New Zealand plays smart, pressures the front line all 90 minutes and injury gets the best of my team, I'll start worrying about our chances to qualify. But it's a 180-minute game. So, both teams have to play smart. Reason why Mexico beat you guys back in 2013 was one reason and one reason only. You guys only thought of the second leg game at home instead of the first and second leg altogether.
That Mexican team was one of the worst teams Mexico had to offer throughout their history and you guys played mostly against subs as there was an internal chaos within that national team(mexican football "stars" were upset at management and the press).
Good luck!
Mm I thought the reason why we lost against Mexico in 2013 was that Herbert played a bunch of old guys whose international careers were over (Christie, Vicelich, Fallon) and made some youngsters debut playing them out of position (Fenton, Tuiloma). I'm not a fan of Hudson or his 5-3-2 but at least he has some idea of what he wants to get from this team. Beating Peru would be a miracle, as simple as that. They're miles ahead of us. But at least it's more possible than beating Chile, Colombia or Argentina.
Back in 2013 both Fallon and Vicelich deserved that call up. The other names mentioned (Plodder, Fenton and Tuiloma) did not. Was a real pity that Nelsen threw the towel in when he did and that Winnie was out injured.
Shades of Germany v Austria.....ban both Peru and Columbia and we play 7th ranked team.
As alluded to earlier...will be interesting to see what develops if anything.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...
Surely the game between Panama and the USA was more of a fix back in 2013. That match saw us play Mexico and not Panama as should have happened.
Peter Taylor's been dumped by Gillingham, more time to focus on his NZ role I hope. Can he work wonders?
Not if the Gills form is anything to go by!
Peru really have an awesome record over the last year and indeed over the last two years:
http://us.soccerway.com/teams/peru/peru/1645/match...
Undefeated in their last eight games: W:5 D:3 L:0
Last loss 16/11/16 home to Brazil 0-2
Last 20 games (since 24/5/16):
W:12 D:6 L:2
(counting the 2016 Copa America Centenario quarter-final as a draw in normal time and extra-time - Peru lost on penalties to Colombia)
Only two home losses in nine home World Cup qualifiers ( and those were way back in October 2015 and November 2016).
Those have been their only losses (apart from the Copa America Centenario quarter-final on pens) in their last twenty matches.
They haven't played much outside of South America - not at all since the Copa America Centenario in June last year in the USA.
In 2015 only one game outside South America, a friendly on 5/9/15 vs. USA (2-1 loss)
In 2014 two friendlies in Europe: 31/3/14 vs. England (3-0 loss) and 4/6/14 vs. Switzerland (2-0 loss)
and two friendlies in the Middle East: 5/9/14 in Dubai (2-0 win vs. Iraq) and 10/9/14 in Qatar (2-0 win).
And apparently their star player midfielder Paolo Guerrero of Flamengo is afraid of flying since his footballer uncle died in a plane crash in 1987 along with the rest of his club side:
So confirmed now. Sat Nov 11 4:15pm. Second leg Nov 16 3:15pm NZ time.
So confirmed now. Sat Nov 11 4:15pm. Second leg Nov 16 3:15pm NZ time.
Saturday 11 at 4.15 pm - Same time as the Kiwis Rugby League World Cup game vs. Tonga in Hamilton.
Brilliant scheduling by NZF.
How many pubs will have the All Whites and how many the league?
Battle of the codes.
Will be fascinating to see the TV viewing figures...
Also the second leg falls outside the FIFA window which closes November 14 so they must have got permission from FIFA.
So you think they should have chosen a different time because a rugby league test was on?
So confirmed now. Sat Nov 11 4:15pm. Second leg Nov 16 3:15pm NZ time.
Saturday 11 at 4.15 pm - Same time as the Kiwis Rugby League World Cup game vs. Tonga in Hamilton.
Brilliant scheduling by NZF.
How many pubs will have the All Whites and how many the league?
Battle of the codes.
Will be fascinating to see the TV viewing figures...
Also the second leg falls outside the FIFA window which closes November 14 so they must have got permission from FIFA.